@pandab55 I don’t expect everyone to agree with me. That would mean you’re all sheep lol! I want to challenge your beliefs and I want you to challenge your own beliefs. Then absolutely challenge me in return! But… you need to provide something compelling to back up your argument. An opinion as to what worked for you isn’t going to change my mind if I can provide ten studies that demonstrate the contrary. People hear stuff from other people, assume it to be fact, and then come to forums like these to argue their perspective when there is often little to no truth behind it. Lots of times they don’t even realize it and just assumed it was true. I LOVE when people prove me wrong because that means I was wrong about something (and I hate when I believe something wrong) and now I have learned the truth about something. This is how we learn!
Haha he’s banned?
7 day ban.
Interesting how this topic was revived only when I was gone. But a few months ago when I asked for help almost nobody was replying.
I will not be going in any debates especially with people like @dbossa. I stand firmly by everything I said last time regarding TRT. If someone needs studies to prove for example that IM injections work better in MANY people than sub-q I dont even see a point in discussing further with that person. And observe Ive never claimed sub-q doesnt work for anyone.
All I know is people like @dbossa attacking others thinking they are some kind of crusaders spreading the holy truth are dangerous for the community. If he tries to debate me again I will just use the beautiful ignore function from the site. If I get banned permanently…well I dont care too much. I wasnt getting anything that could help me from this forum at least in the last six months. But Im thankful for EVERYTHING I learned here in the past.
I also have respect for guys like @enackers, @systemlord and @dextermorgan, @highpull, @ncsugrad2002 with whom we also dont always agree, but they have not shown disrespect.
TRT is a gray area. If somebody claims he knows it he doesnt know a shit. If somebody claims he knows what works for everyone he doesnt know a shit. Studies are too limited. For everyone works something else. I have discovered what works and what doesnt for me and there is no way I accept some people claiming to know the truth tell me it is wrong.
When I give advice to someone suggesting different approach it is not because I claim this is the holy truth. It is what my logic and experience so far and what I have seen in other people make me think may work in this case.
This was exactly how I got helped to get on the feeling good path again one and a half month ago. An ordinary guy listened to my issues and suggested me something different that may help. Something that I havent tried and made sense. And that worked. He was not a TRT crusader claiming to know what is right, what is the correct approach and so on. At the end I believe this is what the forums should be for. People sharing experience and suggesting what may work to somebody having issues. It is the job of the guy looking for advice to choose which advice to follow and to educate himself as well. And at the end it is trial and error.
If somebody tells me he knows well the TRT and hormone science I would run away and not listen to this guy.
Science = Bad.
See science = Run fast
Got it. That’s all you really needed to say. Clears everything up.
You say you don’t want to debate anything with dbossa then tag him and start yabbering on about the very things that you were debating with him originally.
Seems that’s exactly what you want.
If this is the case then just go. With your attitude your not helping yourself or anyone else.
I havent said you dont know about TRT. Clearly your knowledge is better than 90 percent of the doctors.
I respect you for that. But still you dont know all and nobody on this planet does.
But your attitude is what I have problem with.
I cannot stand to communicate with people with such attitude. Attacking the ones who dont agree with them.
So I wish you a good life and dont get over consumed with this TRT community stuff. I dont see why you dont direct that energy to things more useful for you.
They aren’t attacks.
I provide evidence. You dismiss all provided evidence but when asked to provide evidence of your own you say you don’t need to.
This is the very definition of bro science. This is the very thing I fight hard to remove from these forums.
Demonstrate your claims or don’t make any claims. It’s that simple. Considering science = bad, I don’t see how anyone can take you seriously.
90 percent of the people here do that. For me the evidence is too limited to be able to explain everything in this area of medicine.
Ok, we have studies for some things that seem conclusive enough. But not for all TRt related parameters.
You provide studies that subq injections work no worse than IM and yet hundreds of people claim otherwise. The studies are too limited in this example and cannot judge many of the markers in terms of how somebody feels.
You can’t explain everything but demonstrating ‘something’ helps with the credibility a bit.
Gets 7-day suspension… is back for less than 72 hours… says “I don’t care if I get banned permanently.”
Not quite the lesson you were meant to takeaway from it, but okay.
It’s absolutely fucking hysterical how the “This place sucks anyway”-attitude only comes from people who’ve benefitted countless times from the advice here and, coincidentally, who seem to only feel that way moments before they’re escorted out the door.
FWIW, your post history makes it abundantly clear that you were getting solid advice the entire time you were on the board, including these last few months when you started multiple threads and got guidance in each of them.