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844

Thats not how you test cream. You test it 5 hours later and dose twice a day to keep levels consistent. If you are going to do cream do it right. take 2 clicks am and 2 clicks pm.

Doctor rouzier is the guy who got this cream started and he tells all of his doctor students to dose twice a day.

No wonder it’s that low. when i wake up and forget to take my nightly dose i feel the difference and i bet my levels are low like yours.

Go take 1 click am and 1 click pm if you want to do this right. at least then your levels will stay consistent.

845

This doesnt seem convenient at all. I cannot take it exactly 12 hours spaced because all of the limitations with sex, bathing and etc. Also if I take it too late at night I have sleep issues. So I was taking it 8AM 5 PM and decided to check what is on the lowest

846

I did 2 clicks 6AM and 1 click 10pm so it at least worked out to about 1 click per 8 hours. 12 hour spacing wasn’t really working out that well.

Test it at peak. Take extra and see if your levels actually go up to see if the cream is real if you’re worried about that. Take a large injection… there’s a lot of stuff you can do on your own

847

But you don’t know because you’ve gone into this whole TRT thing being obsessed with super even levels, daily dosing, etc.

Maybe so 2x a week instead of every day. I don’t know. You need to narrow down the problem though. Is the T just no good or do you just need more?

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848

I dont see how it can be not good, it is pharmaceutical not some UGL staff. I guess there is some very small chance for anything but…

849

Cureently the problem seems to be my levels for the least. I felt best when m t was 1450, I hadnt had more than 1100 for almost 5 months and more than 800 for 2 months

850

I mean, not to be a smart ass, but the solution seems fairly obvious… you want higher levels… maybe take more T…?

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851

I don’t either, but if you are taking it every 12 hours, then that’s the levels you want to know, not that your levels are at right before you take your morning dose. You are trying to get dialed in here.

You want to know where free t is at during the peak.

I think the cream will work just fine for you and there might not be anything wrong with your dose at all. You just need to stick with it. you just dropped another T and your body needs to adjust. literally take 2 clicks am and pm and just stick with it for 3 months no matter what.

You just came off injections then started cream. You said the cream felt great, but you were coming off injections and you think thats why. So that means you had higher levels. Your body is also now having a new dose of T and anyone would expect fluctuation in well being,

A guy i know had anxiety on T and he found that magnesium glycinate helped… I think you have tried it, but maybe you need to check about the quality of the product and maybe make sure you are getting enough of it. Supposably the body loses this magnesium on T.

I had symptoms when i started T. I would get overwhelmed in large crowds and you could call it anxiety. I used my brain and thought through it. Today a year and a half later i do not experience that anymore. I also had water retention, problems sleeping and libido wasn’t always around. I wouldnt of ever been able to take the dose im taking today. imagine if i had just quit because of these issues or changed my dose trying to alleviate every ache and pain like you are.

I really think many could get through the anxiety if they would put mind over matter. Not sure about you, because the thoughts are strong in your head. It seems every time you start a new dose/routine you find every little thing that bothers you. Its like you are waiting for it, you are checking and waiting for it to happen.

In my case i could of done the same, but i was so desperate for it to work i didn’t care if i stayed up all night freaked out with anxiety. I would pray and talk to myself “this is a hormone your body needs. this is an adjustment period. shut the fuk up and man up you puss. you need this … badly”.

Try it man. Otherwise you are doomed to knee jerk reaction protocols and constant changing of your dose based on whatever symptom or feeling you are having.

Yes im saying man up .yes i realize anxiety is no joke, but theres also people who do not have mental fortitude and sometimes that makes all the difference. Not sure which categorey you fall in, but thats my suggestion.

Stick with it for another 2 - 3 months. fuck it all. if you have anxiety get over it. This too shall pass is a term that works.

852

Ive decided not to touch the cream any more. But Im glad Ive tried it because I would otherwise wonder how it would work.

Try it for 2-3 months - first I dont have 2-3 months for suffering. Second I know that high t levels make me feel better immediately - when I started trt with the blend ester mix of quick and slow I felt better only after 3 days. The cream has half life of 12-14 hours. For a compound it takes 5-6 half lives to build up. So it seems to me a week is more than enough. And with this cream I got very weird anxiety I didnt have before and every day I use it it was getting worse. Maybe the DHT or shorter half life, nobody can tell. But the fact is it affected me this way. Only for 2-3 days that I said I felt good this anxiety was reduced but then came back full power.

My body is weird. For some reason from what Ive tried so far only the sustanon has made me feel good for some reason. Cypionate, enanthate made me feel like crap. Seems cream doesnt work well as well. I realized I dont have to spend energy thinking why something doesnt work for me - if it doesnt, just scrap it.

So I will stick with sustanon that I reatarted a few days ago but obviously I dont absorb it well from the belly anymore so I change the game and put it deep into muscle. I think that will work

853

@highpull OK so I think sub q has stopped working for me for some reason. I did a proper IM yesterday with 50mg sustanon and wooo…

It felt very strong and potent. A few hours later I experienced great energy and focus, but also anxiety. Im not used to injecting so much at once. I guess my body will get used to that? Thats why I always did daily dosing, because my body is sensitive to all external compounds and I feel everything I take very strong at least until I get used to that.

I will try to get used to that, 50mg EOD. I think this protocol will shoot my levels above 1300.

Also I think people should be very careful with giving advice to do IM with 1/2 inch needle. This is a crappy advice and I got screwed listened to it and thinking IM doesnt work for me. Dont mean to be rude to my fellow forum mates, but thats the truth. People successfully doing IM with 1/2 inch should specify that this works mostly for LEAN people.

And one more interesting thing. When I injected with 1/2 inch the post injection pain was terrible, I experienced pain lifting my arm for hours. With the longer needle - NO ANY pain whatsoever. With the same test, same brand etc.

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854

While most use 1 inch needles once a week, I have a few guys doing fine with 1/2 inch needles. I used them when I experimented with every 60 hours and they were fine. Now you know they don’t work for you.

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855

To be honest Im not confident even for the 3/4 that it will always reach the deltoid properly. WhT do you think about that?

856

I think they’d be fine. But, if you’re doing well with whatever you are doing, like 1 inch needles, maybe you don’t mess with it. If most are good with the smaller needles, but you are not, so what. Go with what works for you.

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857

No your body isn’t weird. You are just impatient and think you got this figured Out. Yet you cannot figure it out and you keep doing it your way.

Good luck

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858

It seems 3/4 inch is a good size for the shoulders, so I will use that. And no other muscles, because Im not sure what I will hit. What I learned is where you inject exactly matters a lot, and the label on the oil is not just for decoration :smiley:

859

A man learns from his mistakes. It is important to find something that works for him. Yet I react differently than many other people here so I assume that is what means weird.

860

Nah man I don’t think you react differently. Your body needs T. Nothing special about T. How that man responds to symptoms and perceived the therapy is what differentiates you and the majority.

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861

How are your catecholamines system? Any addiction like weed, meth, porn? If yes, how often? How many hours a week? I would like to hear also an opinion from @highpull about this when guys tries every protocol and never finds the sweet spot, aren’t they looking in the wrong direction? I mean looks like it is not a hormonal thing
Thanks guys

862

He doesn’t give it enough time. The moment he had an issue he modified dose.

He has gotten some bunk shit though. Regardless, you must pick a dose and stay on it. Otherwise the body doesn’t adapt.

Above he gave cream 6 weeks. Didn’t work so he quit.

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863

Well I have waited in most cases, only the last two weeks I experiment more intensively.
But when you dont absorb the t what good in waiting just to waste your time?
Obviously the sub q injections and the cream dont work for me. More waiting would have only wasted more of my time which is terrible.
Now I discovered deep IM injections work well for me and I will stay on that protocol 50mg EOD. As simple as that.