Sounds like it takes much longer to reach stable levels as well since the esters are so different.
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Can you please give your opinions with a minimum of respect?. It is really annoying.
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@vonko1988 - The only thing that makes sense to me about that is reading something @johann77 posted, which had an interesting section that seems to insinuate people with hypothyroidism clear T fasterā¦ Like it doesnāt have time to have the ester cleaved off, exert itās effects on cells or both before itās excreted. The excerpt I read was -
"Thyroid gland disorders are associated with alterations in sex steroid metabolism. Early studies observed that hypothyroidism was associated with an increased metabolic clearance rate of T and E2 "
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/01485010390204968
Getting my thyroid in order seems to have reduced the clearance of testosterone and E2 and itās hanging around longer doing itās thing? I have no ideaā¦ But my TT is higher after being on armour thyroid.
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Thank you for being constructive. This is useful info!
Apologies @arrowayā¦ am I missing something? Iām not certain what you are referring to.
Iām not sure how to explain the increase in my TT either. I was shocked when I saw the number. I thought maybe I had been taking more than I thought, so I was very precise with my measurements and took 42mg EOD from June until 3 weeks ago and did blood work. Itās a little more, but consistent.
In that time I increased my armour dose from 90mg a day to 120mg a day too. All my numbers increased again. Now, my TT is 1312, FT is 249 (24.9) and sensitive E2 is 49.
Thatās why Iām so adamant on @vonko1988 being patient. As his serum levels increase and stabilize, his numbers will increase. He may find heās hypothyroid after stable testosterone in his body puts an increase in his Thyroid it cannot handleā¦ And he might need thyroid meds. Who knows whatās going to happen, but trying to figure it out 3 weeks in is not going to work.
This is very interesting, though it seems that Armor Thyroid has no standardized dosages for t4 and t5, which can lead to problems:
āDue to the lack of standardization in the T3 content, the use of Armour Thyroid should be avoided.ā
Iām not against it at all, but it might be more difficult to control?
Very interesting! I briefly took NP Thyroid due to a pharmacy mistake and I didnāt like it. There doesnāt seem to be a solid option for a combo, natural treatment for hypothyroid, but my numbers and energy have improved on Armourā¦ Iām on 150mg daily but I still think I need more.
I had increased RT3 and my T3 was 2.7ng/l which is not optimal at all. Ive been taking micro dosages of t3 and my RT3 seemed to subside. Ive read a lot about thyroid meds. I know many people now complain from Thyroid Armour and NP seems like they have worsened their quality
In fact how is possible to be a suspension when it is oil - based?
Thatās interesting to hear. When I first moved to injections I was doing daily sub q at 30 mg and ended up with just over 1300 ng/dl total t. Decided I was going to give shallow IM a shot with 25 mg daily and lab just had me at 1429 ng/dl. I was thinking it was moving from sub q to shallow IM had me with higher levels with a decreased dosage. Now you got me thinking it may have been the increase in my T4. I started T4 at 25 mg a day and I believe that what I was doing with the first labs, then upped it to 50 mg which is where I am now.
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Itās little molecules of test ester floating in oil. It does not mix with the oil, it floats around in it. Suspensions are fairly common. Itās just a way to keep the test separated and in a big enough volume to use. It would be unworkable just on itās own in a vial.
How big of a problem could that be, that inconsistency? Realizing it starts to sounds very crappy.
There is one option for a pharmaceutical enanthate in a neigbouring country Serbia. The issue is a friend of mine got some fake of it. But I asked him yesterday he has not bought it from Serbia, but from here somewhere.
If I switch now I will reset and it will start all over again. This friend of mine now is doing great with the omnadren, he injects 30mg daily and his total t is above 1100
I think that you stress yourself out. Personally, I do not like Sustanon or Omnadren for daily dosing. I think itās best used in one big shot every 10 days to two weeks, as that gives you the full benefit of the short esters - especially the prop - and divided doesnāt. But, itās what you can get and you are set on daily. You are going to lag until the long ester builds up, which is more than the 6-8 weeks for enanthate or cypionate.
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Way too much going on. Stick with what youre doing and stop thinking about what you want to add to the soup. This is not a party drug you ingest and come down from. Hormones usually take some time to rear their face. PTSD comes to mind. You can be in battle and function like a machine, all while stress hormones are being released at steady rates. Then you come home and suddenly youre having panic attacks in your sleep. The thing is that its not something that happened all of a sudden. Its been building up over time and now its hitting you. Exogenous Testosterone is no different. Youre expecting immediate results. If you stick with it, you will be laughing at your old self. Worrying about shit on a daily basis is what hens do. Be a rooster.
If with this omnadren I cannot achive stable levels even after the necessary weeks have passed what should I do?
I inject daily so when Im dialed in in have approxiametly the same level of testosterone in the blood every single day. I dont wanna peaks and troughs and fluctuations
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I spoke to a dealer a friend of mine that produces testosterone to explain me exactly how omnadren works.
He said the following: If I inject every day the same amount of solution the mg of ester x(lets say propinate) will be the same every day. The solution should be totally homogenous. But there is another issue. According to him the long esters in omnadren practically will have different half lives on every injection, if I understood him correctly.
I really try to understand exactly how the F this works. And whether I can achieve stable levels with omnadren after some time.
There will always be small peaks and troughs. The body is accustomed to this because thats how your body naturally produces Tā¦in spurts. The most beneficial change in your protocol for the next month would be to throw your computer out the window and smash your phone.
If you have a dealer friend who produces the stuff, why not get some cypionate from him? Its a direct source, no second guessing and over complicating your progress.
Because first I prefer to use pharmaceutical, Im not sure how complex is the production of this stuff and how consistent his baches will be. and If I switch It will slow my progress a lot.