Vogelpohl 1175 lb World Record Squat

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]db2000 wrote:

[quote]SRS2000 wrote:
“Breaking parallel” is a commonly used shorthand way to say the “top of the thigh at the hip joint goes lower than the top of the knee” in powerlifting circles. It’s obviously much easier to say “breaking parallel” and powerlifters know what the person is talking about without having to quote the rulebook definition every time it’s mentioned. [/quote]

Well as an IPF lifter, we just say ‘hitting depth’
Cause either you do…or you dont.

You see 100 morons on the internet saying “yeah bro, totally deep enough it was bellow parallel” when they are some how deciding what they are measuring as paralell[/quote]
I’m an IPF lifter and I say “breaking parallel”.

Anyhow, back on topic… I KNOW I could break parallel with 1175 on my back. Coming back up afterwards (even after the weight is lifted off my crushed body) would be another story. That is a very impressive feat of strength.[/quote]

Thats damn funny.

Jason

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[quote]JPeggEFS wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Difference is I was a judge in the ADFPA, now the USAPL. the canvas suits allowed in other federations make it impossible in most cases to judge depth from the front. You just can’t do it. From the side is different.

I’ve attended the WPO finals in Columbus as part of the medical staff for five years straight. I was at the side with a perfect view of the lifters in the squat. Many guys were hitting below parallel according to the rules. Many looked high from the front on a different view.[/quote]]

Actually, the RULES say you can’t judge depth from the front. Feel free to look it up if you dont believe it. Hope this helps!

Jason
[/quote]

Where can one find the SPF rules? I didn’t see them on their website.

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[quote]burt128 wrote:

[quote]JPeggEFS wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Difference is I was a judge in the ADFPA, now the USAPL. the canvas suits allowed in other federations make it impossible in most cases to judge depth from the front. You just can’t do it. From the side is different.

I’ve attended the WPO finals in Columbus as part of the medical staff for five years straight. I was at the side with a perfect view of the lifters in the squat. Many guys were hitting below parallel according to the rules. Many looked high from the front on a different view.[/quote]]

Actually, the RULES say you can’t judge depth from the front. Feel free to look it up if you dont believe it. Hope this helps!

Jason
[/quote]

Where can one find the SPF rules? I didn’t see them on their website. [/quote]

This is the SPF rulebook: http://www.southernpowerlifting.com/form.php?id=7

There’s nothing in here about not being able to judge depth from the front. Trust me, we recently verified this.

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[quote]JimMcD wrote:
There’s nothing in here about not being able to judge depth from the front. Trust me, we recently verified this.
[/quote]

Serial lulz.

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[quote]JPeggEFS wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Difference is I was a judge in the ADFPA, now the USAPL. the canvas suits allowed in other federations make it impossible in most cases to judge depth from the front. You just can’t do it. From the side is different.

I’ve attended the WPO finals in Columbus as part of the medical staff for five years straight. I was at the side with a perfect view of the lifters in the squat. Many guys were hitting below parallel according to the rules. Many looked high from the front on a different view.[/quote]]

Actually, the RULES say you can’t judge depth from the front. Feel free to look it up if you dont believe it. Hope this helps!

Jason
[/quote]

USAPL judge now Jason, but might test for the IPA since they are local. You can judge from the front if the lack of depth is very obvious. I need to check the exact phrasing, but if it is grossly high, obviously high etc. I would need to read the correct wording of course.

With saying that I’ll stand by my 4" high squats from the front are often below parallel. I’ve seen Angelo Berdanelli do this, Chuck, and others.

In further defense of the IPA, the last meet I attended had very tight judging standards. I was very impressed. It’s what gave me the idea of doing this again.

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[quote]JPeggEFS wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]db2000 wrote:

[quote]SRS2000 wrote:
“Breaking parallel” is a commonly used shorthand way to say the “top of the thigh at the hip joint goes lower than the top of the knee” in powerlifting circles. It’s obviously much easier to say “breaking parallel” and powerlifters know what the person is talking about without having to quote the rulebook definition every time it’s mentioned. [/quote]

Well as an IPF lifter, we just say ‘hitting depth’
Cause either you do…or you dont.

You see 100 morons on the internet saying “yeah bro, totally deep enough it was bellow parallel” when they are some how deciding what they are measuring as paralell[/quote]
I’m an IPF lifter and I say “breaking parallel”.

Anyhow, back on topic… I KNOW I could break parallel with 1175 on my back. Coming back up afterwards (even after the weight is lifted off my crushed body) would be another story. That is a very impressive feat of strength.[/quote]

Thats damn funny.

Jason[/quote]

I think most of use could break a lot of things with that much weight on your back, parallel being one of the things I’d be least concerned with.

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1175 on the bar, that’s 12 45’s a side plus a 25 on each for perspective… Okay can we all just agree he is one ridiculous strong dude? Even If it’s an inch above parallel I still think this is one of the most impressive things a man his size has ever done or probably ever will do.

Hell this is probably one of the most impressive things a human body can do assisted by anything short of a fucking construction crane, I think you should start a different thread if you want to bash on possible depth issues this is an awesome feat of strength period and as far as depth goes this was one of the best squats at the meet whatever your opinion on depth you have to admit he has some serious yeti power.

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[quote]db2000 wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Many looks high squats from the front actually break parallel when you see them from the side.
I actually was watching a big time meet from the side and compared to video from the front. The front looked 4" high on some that were below parallel.[/quote]

Not to nit pick but “breaking parallel” has nothing to do with it.
The rule book says crease of the hip bellow the top of the knee.

For most thats a bit deeper than what people say is “bellow parallel”[/quote]

Lol whut?!

Breaking parallel has EVERYTHING to do with it. It’s the whole point of squatting. Parallel is where the crease of the hip is at the same point as the top of the knee. You break that, it’s a legal squat.

First time posting here in about 6 months and I see the quality of posting hasn’t gotten any better. And I thought the 09’ers were bad.

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[quote]Hanley wrote:

[quote]db2000 wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Many looks high squats from the front actually break parallel when you see them from the side.
I actually was watching a big time meet from the side and compared to video from the front. The front looked 4" high on some that were below parallel.[/quote]

Not to nit pick but “breaking parallel” has nothing to do with it.
The rule book says crease of the hip bellow the top of the knee.

For most thats a bit deeper than what people say is “bellow parallel”[/quote]

Lol whut?!

Breaking parallel has EVERYTHING to do with it. It’s the whole point of squatting. Parallel is where the crease of the hip is at the same point as the top of the knee. You break that, it’s a legal squat.

First time posting here in about 6 months and I see the quality of posting hasn’t gotten any better. And I thought the 09’ers were bad.[/quote]

Welcome back. Hows your lifting going?

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[quote]Hanley wrote:

[quote]db2000 wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Many looks high squats from the front actually break parallel when you see them from the side.
I actually was watching a big time meet from the side and compared to video from the front. The front looked 4" high on some that were below parallel.[/quote]

Not to nit pick but “breaking parallel” has nothing to do with it.
The rule book says crease of the hip bellow the top of the knee.

For most thats a bit deeper than what people say is “bellow parallel”[/quote]

Lol whut?!

Breaking parallel has EVERYTHING to do with it. It’s the whole point of squatting. Parallel is where the crease of the hip is at the same point as the top of the knee. You break that, it’s a legal squat.

First time posting here in about 6 months and I see the quality of posting hasn’t gotten any better. And I thought the 09’ers were bad.[/quote]

Much love brah

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[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]JPeggEFS wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Difference is I was a judge in the ADFPA, now the USAPL. the canvas suits allowed in other federations make it impossible in most cases to judge depth from the front. You just can’t do it. From the side is different.

I’ve attended the WPO finals in Columbus as part of the medical staff for five years straight. I was at the side with a perfect view of the lifters in the squat. Many guys were hitting below parallel according to the rules. Many looked high from the front on a different view.[/quote]]

Actually, the RULES say you can’t judge depth from the front. Feel free to look it up if you dont believe it. Hope this helps!

Jason
[/quote]

USAPL judge now Jason, but might test for the IPA since they are local. You can judge from the front if the lack of depth is very obvious. I need to check the exact phrasing, but if it is grossly high, obviously high etc. I would need to read the correct wording of course.

With saying that I’ll stand by my 4" high squats from the front are often below parallel. I’ve seen Angelo Berdanelli do this, Chuck, and others.

In further defense of the IPA, the last meet I attended had very tight judging standards. I was very impressed. It’s what gave me the idea of doing this again.[/quote]

Wasnt knocking any fed, but I am 99% sure that, save for, apparently the SPF, you cant judge deopth save for the examples you listed…ala that bullshit 1220 of mike millers.

Jason

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[quote]JPeggEFS wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]JPeggEFS wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Difference is I was a judge in the ADFPA, now the USAPL. the canvas suits allowed in other federations make it impossible in most cases to judge depth from the front. You just can’t do it. From the side is different.

I’ve attended the WPO finals in Columbus as part of the medical staff for five years straight. I was at the side with a perfect view of the lifters in the squat. Many guys were hitting below parallel according to the rules. Many looked high from the front on a different view.[/quote]]

Actually, the RULES say you can’t judge depth from the front. Feel free to look it up if you dont believe it. Hope this helps!

Jason
[/quote]

USAPL judge now Jason, but might test for the IPA since they are local. You can judge from the front if the lack of depth is very obvious. I need to check the exact phrasing, but if it is grossly high, obviously high etc. I would need to read the correct wording of course.

With saying that I’ll stand by my 4" high squats from the front are often below parallel. I’ve seen Angelo Berdanelli do this, Chuck, and others.

In further defense of the IPA, the last meet I attended had very tight judging standards. I was very impressed. It’s what gave me the idea of doing this again.[/quote]

Wasnt knocking any fed, but I am 99% sure that, save for, apparently the SPF, you cant judge deopth save for the examples you listed…ala that bullshit 1220 of mike millers.

Jason
[/quote]

WOOOHOOO! Another reason to love the SPF.

Rules? we don’t need no stinking rules.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]JPeggEFS wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]JPeggEFS wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Difference is I was a judge in the ADFPA, now the USAPL. the canvas suits allowed in other federations make it impossible in most cases to judge depth from the front. You just can’t do it. From the side is different.

I’ve attended the WPO finals in Columbus as part of the medical staff for five years straight. I was at the side with a perfect view of the lifters in the squat. Many guys were hitting below parallel according to the rules. Many looked high from the front on a different view.[/quote]]

Actually, the RULES say you can’t judge depth from the front. Feel free to look it up if you dont believe it. Hope this helps!

Jason
[/quote]

USAPL judge now Jason, but might test for the IPA since they are local. You can judge from the front if the lack of depth is very obvious. I need to check the exact phrasing, but if it is grossly high, obviously high etc. I would need to read the correct wording of course.

With saying that I’ll stand by my 4" high squats from the front are often below parallel. I’ve seen Angelo Berdanelli do this, Chuck, and others.

In further defense of the IPA, the last meet I attended had very tight judging standards. I was very impressed. It’s what gave me the idea of doing this again.[/quote]

Wasnt knocking any fed, but I am 99% sure that, save for, apparently the SPF, you cant judge deopth save for the examples you listed…ala that bullshit 1220 of mike millers.

Jason
[/quote]

WOOOHOOO! Another reason to love the SPF.

Rules? we donâ??t need to stinking rules.[/quote]

“He paid his entry fee?”
“Uhhh, yeah, check hasn’t cleared though…”
“Fuck it, WHITE LIGHTS!”

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[quote]Hanley wrote:

[quote]db2000 wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Many looks high squats from the front actually break parallel when you see them from the side.
I actually was watching a big time meet from the side and compared to video from the front. The front looked 4" high on some that were below parallel.[/quote]

Not to nit pick but “breaking parallel” has nothing to do with it.
The rule book says crease of the hip bellow the top of the knee.

For most thats a bit deeper than what people say is “bellow parallel”[/quote]

Lol whut?!

Breaking parallel has EVERYTHING to do with it. It’s the whole point of squatting. Parallel is where the crease of the hip is at the same point as the top of the knee. You break that, it’s a legal squat.

First time posting here in about 6 months and I see the quality of posting hasn’t gotten any better. And I thought the 09’ers were bad.[/quote]
Sounds like you have missed the point.

People say ‘parallel’ but what on earth does it actually mean? The only thing close straight on your leg is your femur. Unless you have xray specs you cannot tell if its parallel to the ground.

If you are talking about the top of the thigh…its not a straight line…how on earth are you going to measure it.

crease of hip and top of knee are two clear anatomical points.

Oh well…we cant all be smart

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[quote]JPeggEFS wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]JPeggEFS wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Difference is I was a judge in the ADFPA, now the USAPL. the canvas suits allowed in other federations make it impossible in most cases to judge depth from the front. You just can’t do it. From the side is different.

I’ve attended the WPO finals in Columbus as part of the medical staff for five years straight. I was at the side with a perfect view of the lifters in the squat. Many guys were hitting below parallel according to the rules. Many looked high from the front on a different view.[/quote]]

Actually, the RULES say you can’t judge depth from the front. Feel free to look it up if you dont believe it. Hope this helps!

Jason
[/quote]

USAPL judge now Jason, but might test for the IPA since they are local. You can judge from the front if the lack of depth is very obvious. I need to check the exact phrasing, but if it is grossly high, obviously high etc. I would need to read the correct wording of course.

With saying that I’ll stand by my 4" high squats from the front are often below parallel. I’ve seen Angelo Berdanelli do this, Chuck, and others.

In further defense of the IPA, the last meet I attended had very tight judging standards. I was very impressed. It’s what gave me the idea of doing this again.[/quote]

Wasnt knocking any fed, but I am 99% sure that, save for, apparently the SPF, you cant judge deopth save for the examples you listed…ala that bullshit 1220 of mike millers.

Jason
[/quote]

I think you’re going to have a hard time finding it written in the rules of any fed that you can’t judge depth from the front. I know there was an opinion given by someone within the APF a few years ago that the head judge shouldn’t judge depth but it’s not in the rules. It’s just like the fact that words “break parallel” don’t appear anywhere. It’s part of the lore of powerlifting judging but not part of the rules.

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[quote]db2000 wrote:

[quote]Hanley wrote:

[quote]db2000 wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Many looks high squats from the front actually break parallel when you see them from the side.
I actually was watching a big time meet from the side and compared to video from the front. The front looked 4" high on some that were below parallel.[/quote]

Not to nit pick but “breaking parallel” has nothing to do with it.
The rule book says crease of the hip bellow the top of the knee.

For most thats a bit deeper than what people say is “bellow parallel”[/quote]

Lol whut?!

Breaking parallel has EVERYTHING to do with it. It’s the whole point of squatting. Parallel is where the crease of the hip is at the same point as the top of the knee. You break that, it’s a legal squat.

First time posting here in about 6 months and I see the quality of posting hasn’t gotten any better. And I thought the 09’ers were bad.[/quote]
Sounds like you have missed the point.

People say ‘parallel’ but what on earth does it actually mean? The only thing close straight on your leg is your femur. Unless you have xray specs you cannot tell if its parallel to the ground.

If you are talking about the top of the thigh…its not a straight line…how on earth are you going to measure it.

crease of hip and top of knee are two clear anatomical points.

Oh well…we cant all be smart
[/quote]
huh?
top of the knee level w/ hip crease = parallel

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[quote]critietaeta wrote:

[quote]db2000 wrote:

[quote]Hanley wrote:

[quote]db2000 wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Many looks high squats from the front actually break parallel when you see them from the side.
I actually was watching a big time meet from the side and compared to video from the front. The front looked 4" high on some that were below parallel.[/quote]

Not to nit pick but “breaking parallel” has nothing to do with it.
The rule book says crease of the hip bellow the top of the knee.

For most thats a bit deeper than what people say is “bellow parallel”[/quote]

Lol whut?!

Breaking parallel has EVERYTHING to do with it. It’s the whole point of squatting. Parallel is where the crease of the hip is at the same point as the top of the knee. You break that, it’s a legal squat.

First time posting here in about 6 months and I see the quality of posting hasn’t gotten any better. And I thought the 09’ers were bad.[/quote]
Sounds like you have missed the point.

People say ‘parallel’ but what on earth does it actually mean? The only thing close straight on your leg is your femur. Unless you have xray specs you cannot tell if its parallel to the ground.

If you are talking about the top of the thigh…its not a straight line…how on earth are you going to measure it.

crease of hip and top of knee are two clear anatomical points.

Oh well…we cant all be smart
[/quote]
huh?
top of the knee level w/ hip crease = parallel[/quote]

There is intelligent life out there. Thank you.

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Sorry In my country the word ‘parallel’ must mean something different to ireland.

Carry on

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[quote]JimMcD wrote:

[quote]JPeggEFS wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]JPeggEFS wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Difference is I was a judge in the ADFPA, now the USAPL. the canvas suits allowed in other federations make it impossible in most cases to judge depth from the front. You just can’t do it. From the side is different.

I’ve attended the WPO finals in Columbus as part of the medical staff for five years straight. I was at the side with a perfect view of the lifters in the squat. Many guys were hitting below parallel according to the rules. Many looked high from the front on a different view.[/quote]]

Actually, the RULES say you can’t judge depth from the front. Feel free to look it up if you dont believe it. Hope this helps!

Jason
[/quote]

USAPL judge now Jason, but might test for the IPA since they are local. You can judge from the front if the lack of depth is very obvious. I need to check the exact phrasing, but if it is grossly high, obviously high etc. I would need to read the correct wording of course.

With saying that I’ll stand by my 4" high squats from the front are often below parallel. I’ve seen Angelo Berdanelli do this, Chuck, and others.

In further defense of the IPA, the last meet I attended had very tight judging standards. I was very impressed. It’s what gave me the idea of doing this again.[/quote]

Wasnt knocking any fed, but I am 99% sure that, save for, apparently the SPF, you cant judge deopth save for the examples you listed…ala that bullshit 1220 of mike millers.

Jason
[/quote]

I think you’re going to have a hard time finding it written in the rules of any fed that you can’t judge depth from the front. I know there was an opinion given by someone within the APF a few years ago that the head judge shouldn’t judge depth but it’s not in the rules. It’s just like the fact that words “break parallel” don’t appear anywhere. It’s part of the lore of powerlifting judging but not part of the rules.

[/quote]

Exactly why we need a 4th judge to lay directly under the exposed anus of the squatter. Anus dialation is the only true way to measure depth.

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If you have really big upper thighs by the time the crease at the hip is below the top of the knee your arse would be practically touching the ground. I think the only way to make indisputable is for the lifter to break parallel and keep going down until they leave a skidmark on the platform!!! You can’t argue with a shitstain.