[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Good for you. Now run along and learn how to use the quote function. [/quote]
The first time I thought it was just a mistake. The second, third, etc, I was like wtf?
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]CircaThursday wrote:
Now. music nowadays pisses me off bad because it is inescapable. I cant get in anybody’s car or go to any gyms without hearing shit music. Modern music has 2 types: Beta male whining that puts females on a pedestal or rehashed shit that went out of style 20 years ago.
thats what I think about “our culture”[/quote]
Headphones at the gym. Satellite radio or IPod in the car. problem solved. that being said, there is plenty of fantastic music being made right now, you just have to dig a little bit sometimes.[/quote]
You dont even have to dig!
Pandora
3 amazing tools on the internet to search for amazing songs.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Babylat wrote:
Disney gets a lot of bad publicity because of people like the OP. [/quote]
Tell me Aristotle, what kind of person am I?[/quote]
She’s not really affiliated with Disney anymore, right? If not, then you really shouldn’t be slagging Disney for this. They’re probably mildly embarrassed about this too even if they aren’t involved with her.
I’m not old enough to really speak on similar incidents from the 90s and before, but I was old enough and the right age to remember Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera. It really wasn’t that big a deal to be honest. If anything really set kids on “that path”, it wasn’t Britney or Christina, it was in middle school when the most popular music became hip hop/R&B/dancehall.
But I sympathize with parents who have to sweat this stuff. I get why Beans brought up Disney even if Disney may have had nothing to do with this particular incident. They made her a star for young girls and then she ended up doing this. Not their fault, but they sort of made it possible. If you let your kids watch Hannah Montana thinking it fine, and then they became Miley Cyrus fans, and then this happened? It’s not the same with those hip hop/R&B/dancehall artists, because those guys didn’t come in with the trojan horse of being a former Disney star.
It’s also tough to say that parents should raise their kids better and just prevent them from seeing these things. That’s a completely unrealistic expectation these days. Especially if you were stupid enough to get one of those good jobs- you know, the ones that are more than 40 hours a week. Can’t watch your kids everywhere and all the time.
The only thing parents really can do is equip their kids to deal with this stuff and respond to it as maturely as possible. Someone already mentioned teaching your kids how to set their own boundaries. That seems to be the best solution.
But that leaves the issue of kids with bad parents. Do you let them slip?
I don’t think there should be any repercussions for any of the parties involved, and I think it’s well within an artists rights to do that Miley did. I think the least of all evils would be to just ignore this and similar cases, and just focus on what you can control. Or basically, ACT as if it is (c) Nothing Wrong, since the medicine is worse than the disease.
But I also don’t think that just because I’m in favour of ignoring this, that people who do get worried, especially parents, have no legitimate reasons.
[quote]DN90 wrote:
She’s not really affiliated with Disney anymore, right? If not, then you really shouldn’t be slagging Disney for this. They’re probably mildly embarrassed about this too even if they aren’t involved with her.[/quote]
It isn’t so much Disney in and of itself as to why I listed this, but the celebrity making, worship and focus things like Disney create out of these kids.
Finding Nemo… It is a talking fish, so if clown fish suddenly have celebrity, then fine. Hanna Montana is a person, who at the time wasn’t really old enough to make the choices her father made for her. I’m sure she wanted it, but you can’t tell me wrapping your head around extreme fame is easy for a grown person, let alone a teen. No wonder this chicks turning and going 180 degrees in the opposite direction.
So we as a culture create these “monsters”. We largely set them up to fail. No one can live up to the “Disney” image, because they are humans. Timberlake is one of the few exceptions, but he wasn’t all that big until NSYNC.
So when I said “Disney” in the OP, I didn’t really mean the actual company as much as I meant the perception, expectation and celebrity that comes from the “Disney”.
Right.
So the question really becomes, are we okay with this?
Apparently we should be because segregation, how on Earth that is related I don’t know, but I’ve been tossed that nonsense so far.
The other reason we should be okay with it most often cited is because it happened before… Okay, there are a lot of things that have happened before we shouldn’t let happen again, I could name a lot of them.
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It’s also tough to say that parents should raise their kids better and just prevent them from seeing these things. That’s a completely unrealistic expectation these days. Can’t watch your kids everywhere and all the time. [/quote]
Thank you. Reality.
Neither do I, not at all.
She can do as she pleases.
But music is supposed to be art right?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Babylat wrote:
Disney gets a lot of bad publicity because of people like the OP. [/quote]
Tell me Aristotle, what kind of person am I?[/quote]
Listen I don’t want to argue. You should just let it go. You conveyed a certain attitude about young women acting this way after working at Disney and being a role model for little girls. The truth is that attitude that these celebrities should have a certain image is what pressures Disney into making these girls into the perfect girl. And with that image it gets hard to get work as an adult, so they overcompensate by sexualizing themselves as much as possible.
The problem with ignoring an issue, is it just continues and then gets worse. Its like cancer, treat it, or it spreads and becomes terminal.
The mindset of, well just exist in my own little world and ignore everything else, is people’s viewpoint on: politics, news, media, celebrities, food choice, health, sexuality, race, etc. And that is exactly why we are where we are.
The atrocious depends on people to turn and look away. Its the pussification of the world. Just like if a woman were being robbed, ‘x’ years ago multiple people would intervene on her behalf. Now, people just look away or keep walking, because that’s the culture - it isn’t me, it isn’t my problem. Eventually it will be.
[quote]Babylat wrote:
You should just let it go.[/quote]
Why? Because discussion of culture is offensive?
Why should I be the one that lets it go?
If you “don’t’ want to argue” why are you projecting my position and speaking in a way that says you understand what type of person I am, or what I think?
I dont’ understand how one “doesn’t want to argue” when they make assumptive conjecture about someone else’s opinion.
OOOHHHH, so it’s my fault that these things happen.
I get it, because I wonder if this is the type of product our culture should be issuing forth to our teens, it is my fault it happens?
What is it about this that gets people so worked up if you want to talk about it? Why is this a socially taboo subject that I should just stay all shushed up about? What is wrong with looking at our culture and questioning if it is really what we want to represent?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
c) There is nothing at all wrong with what happened[/quote]
While not exactly how I would word it, this was the best option out of the three.
I don’t think her actions were “wrong;” wrong would be murdering somebody or stealing, stuff like that. Rubbing your genitals and acting lewd isn’t wrong, imo. It’s vulgar and distasteful and I would never do it, and I would discourage others from doing it, but it’s not wrong. And frankly, I do not care one bit what she does or doesn’t do. I cannot stress enough how much I don’t care.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL.
There’s no Santa and Miley Cyrus wants to get laid and rich at the same time.
I am laughing at that pic of Will Smith and his family.
That look his son has on his face is the same one people had at that movie AE.[/quote]
Friend of mine did the visual effects for that movie. He disgustedly refers to it as “Afterbirth”.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
The problem with ignoring an issue, is it just continues and then gets worse. Its like cancer, treat it, or it spreads and becomes terminal.
The mindset of, well just exist in my own little world and ignore everything else, is people’s viewpoint on: politics, news, media, celebrities, food choice, health, sexuality, race, etc. And that is exactly why we are where we are.
The atrocious depends on people to turn and look away. Its the pussification of the world. Just like if a woman were being robbed, ‘x’ years ago multiple people would intervene on her behalf. Now, people just look away or keep walking, because that’s the culture - it isn’t me, it isn’t my problem. Eventually it will be.[/quote]
Holy shit… Someone gets it?
Can’t be.
He’s just famous! It is little ‘x’ though, back before all of the muscle, so at least we’re taking a few steps back.
Also, what is “twerking”? Is that some new trendy dance move thing. I’m 100% serious. Also, DebraD, since you know what it is, and how to do it, assuming its attractive when an actual woman does it, would you mind posting a video of how its done? I may want to share this info with a particular female, assuming its an attractive “move.”
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Look Mr. Mustard you are largely missing the point.
Now run along and learn how to use the quote function. [/quote]
This could be the standard response to 97 percent of Karado’s posts.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Also, what is “twerking”? Is that some new trendy dance move thing. I’m 100% serious. Also, DebraD, since you know what it is, and how to do it, assuming its attractive when an actual woman does it, would you mind posting a video of how its done? I may want to share this info with a particular female, assuming its an attractive “move.”
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Twerking is a rapid movement of the female pelvis that makes the ass cheeks clap, calling attention to the vulva. Etymologically it seem to be a combination of the word “twat” and phrase “werking dat asz”.
It seems to be practiced by the females of other primate species as well as our own, to signal to all males in the vicinity the female’s readiness and willingness to mate. See illustration above.
So… a stripper move, got it.
I guess its considered a subset of gyration.
And I’ve always found monkey derriere’s disturbing. Thankfully we did evolve past that appearance.
I used to have this shirt that said “No one can make you feel disgusting without your help, so get right with yourself first.”
I think that is very, very applicable here. Why are people all up in arms about this? So fucking what if some ex-Disney slut acts like a whore on MTV? Is this a very far departure from what’s been going on on that station for the last 20 years or so? Not at all. This shit happens all over every aspect of the media, entertainment, movies, etc., etc. If you don’t like it, turn it off. If you don’t want your 10 y/o kid watching it or listening to it, then don’t let them. You’re a fucking parent. Show some balls and lay down the law. I can remember the first time my parents heard me listening to rap music (I think it might have been Onyx). They flipped the fuck out at all the swearing and bitch this and ho that and barred me from ever listening to it in their home. Your house, your rules.
And what’s with everyone saying this is yet another sign of the degradation of our culture? What culture? Besides, if this was a sign of something seriously wrong with American culture and values we wouldn’t have every other motherfucker on the web chiming in on how debaucherous and wrong Cyrus’ act was. They’d all be hailing it as yet another wonderful performance from yet another ex-Disney slut rather than lambasting the performance the way they have thus far. Whatever is left of American culture will have continued to wither away when we start commending Cyrus’ act instead of roundly criticizing it.
Just for context, and your entertainment, the dude from DBs Av:
=D
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I used to have this shirt that said “No one can make you feel disgusting without your help, so get right with yourself first.”
I think that is very, very applicable here. Why are people all up in arms about this? So fucking what if some ex-Disney slut acts like a whore on MTV? Is this a very far departure from what’s been going on on that station for the last 20 years or so? Not at all. This shit happens all over every aspect of the media, entertainment, movies, etc., etc. If you don’t like it, turn it off. If you don’t want your 10 y/o kid watching it or listening to it, then don’t let them. You’re a fucking parent. Show some balls and lay down the law. I can remember the first time my parents heard me listening to rap music (I think it might have been Onyx). They flipped the fuck out at all the swearing and bitch this and ho that and barred me from ever listening to it in their home. Your house, your rules.
And what’s with everyone saying this is yet another sign of the degradation of our culture? What culture? Besides, if this was a sign of something seriously wrong with American culture and values we wouldn’t have every other motherfucker on the web chiming in on how debaucherous and wrong Cyrus’ act was. They’d all be hailing it as yet another wonderful performance from yet another ex-Disney slut rather than lambasting the performance the way they have thus far. Whatever is left of American culture will have continued to wither away when we start commending Cyrus’ act instead of roundly criticizing it.[/quote]
Personally it’s the pedo angle the doesn’t sit well. I really have no exposure to Disney or Cyrus’ life with Disney (I didn’t even know about it until today)
But mostly it’s just eww for fucks sakes get off that damn stage you really suck and I’d feel teh same way regardless of who put on that atrocity.
I don’t see what’s so offensive about Bean’s position though. He’s hardly moralizing or calling out Cyrus as a whore but just asking fucking questions are that completely reasonable to ask. It seems to me that you guys who don’t like the questions and want him to shut up and change the channel are the ones getting bent out of shape here.
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I used to have this shirt that said “No one can make you feel disgusting without your help, so get right with yourself first.”
I think that is very, very applicable here. Why are people all up in arms about this? So fucking what if some ex-Disney slut acts like a whore on MTV? Is this a very far departure from what’s been going on on that station for the last 20 years or so? Not at all. This shit happens all over every aspect of the media, entertainment, movies, etc., etc. If you don’t like it, turn it off. If you don’t want your 10 y/o kid watching it or listening to it, then don’t let them. You’re a fucking parent. Show some balls and lay down the law. I can remember the first time my parents heard me listening to rap music (I think it might have been Onyx). They flipped the fuck out at all the swearing and bitch this and ho that and barred me from ever listening to it in their home. Your house, your rules.
And what’s with everyone saying this is yet another sign of the degradation of our culture? What culture? Besides, if this was a sign of something seriously wrong with American culture and values we wouldn’t have every other motherfucker on the web chiming in on how debaucherous and wrong Cyrus’ act was. They’d all be hailing it as yet another wonderful performance from yet another ex-Disney slut rather than lambasting the performance the way they have thus far. Whatever is left of American culture will have continued to wither away when we start commending Cyrus’ act instead of roundly criticizing it.[/quote]
Personally it’s the pedo angle the doesn’t sit well. I really have no exposure to Disney or Cyrus’ life with Disney (I didn’t even know about it until today)
But mostly it’s just eww for fucks sakes get off that damn stage you really suck and I’d feel teh same way regardless of who put on that atrocity.
I don’t see what’s so offensive about Bean’s position though. He’s hardly moralizing or calling out Cyrus as a whore but just asking fucking questions are that completely reasonable to ask. It seems to me that you guys who don’t like the questions and want him to shut up and change the channel are the ones getting bent out of shape here.
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I haven’t read a single post of Beans’ in this thread, so don’t lump me in with that crowd. I guess I just don’t understand what the big deal is. I don’t see any pedo angle to this at all. She’s 20 y/o and like I always say, old enough to go to the store, old enough to get bread, ya know what I mean?
Like I said earlier, if seeing something like that makes you feel all gross and shit, maybe you should look at yourself first. Why are you anywhere remotely emotionally-invested in the stage antics/appearance of some talentless hack like Cyrus? You’re old enough to remember Madonna in her heyday. Is this really all that different? Sure, Cyrus is younger than Madonna was when she was causing a big sensation amongst the sexually-repressed in this country, but why does that really matter? She’s still of legal age and she’s already shown herself to be quite the little tart these last couple years as it is.
My point is that getting all up in arms about this is pointless. Did she really take things to some outrageous new level? Of course not. Prince used to do similarly provocative shit all the time and that was 20 or 30 years ago. Why does Miley Cyrus get the special treatment even though none of this is new at all? I think it has to do with people’s previous perception of her. Most people know Cyrus from her Disney days and unrealistically cling to some far-gone, naive image of her that they’ve created and are shocked to see what our little Miley has grown up to do. As if it’s unheard of for some cute, innocent little girl to grow up into a sexually-charged woman who thinks that the best way to garner attention is by flaunting her body. And to quote Zero Mostel, if you’ve got it, flaunt it baby, flaunt it!
I think the real issue here has more to do with the people who are flipping out about this than with Cyrus herself. She’s just doing what most women in their early 20s have been doing at dance clubs in some way, shape or form since dance clubs existed. This shit goes on every single Thursday through Tuesday night at all the local watering holes near campus here in Chico, as it does at pretty much every popular club in every other city in America with a large amount of 20-something y/o college girls.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I used to have this shirt that said “No one can make you feel disgusting without your help, so get right with yourself first.”
I think that is very, very applicable here. Why are people all up in arms about this? So fucking what if some ex-Disney slut acts like a whore on MTV? Is this a very far departure from what’s been going on on that station for the last 20 years or so? Not at all. This shit happens all over every aspect of the media, entertainment, movies, etc., etc. If you don’t like it, turn it off. If you don’t want your 10 y/o kid watching it or listening to it, then don’t let them. You’re a fucking parent. Show some balls and lay down the law. I can remember the first time my parents heard me listening to rap music (I think it might have been Onyx). They flipped the fuck out at all the swearing and bitch this and ho that and barred me from ever listening to it in their home. Your house, your rules.
And what’s with everyone saying this is yet another sign of the degradation of our culture? What culture? Besides, if this was a sign of something seriously wrong with American culture and values we wouldn’t have every other motherfucker on the web chiming in on how debaucherous and wrong Cyrus’ act was. They’d all be hailing it as yet another wonderful performance from yet another ex-Disney slut rather than lambasting the performance the way they have thus far. Whatever is left of American culture will have continued to wither away when we start commending Cyrus’ act instead of roundly criticizing it.[/quote]
interesting opinion.
you are a teacher. do you follow current trends, fads, and popular music so you can relate to your highschool students? or just tune it all out? im just curious since you are a teacher.