VMA's, Miley & Our Culture

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[quote]Biskui wrote:
The real unbelievable thing about American culture, is that Miley Cyrus causes a bigger debate than the use of chemical weapons in Syria, world climate, the new position of China, or whatever important issue in this real world.

I don’t want to believe that this is all that America has to offer, culturally-wise. America got great writers, filmmakers, artists in all kinds. But the entertainment culture is just plain bullshit

Wake up, this story sucks, it s just a pitiful 20 yo star being an attention whore. It’s pathetic and ridiculous. That’s all. And she’s ugly.
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I’ve seen a lot of people mention this now, and no one actually making voice about those other things.

Talk about America’s shit culture = shut up, more important shit

More important shit = crickets…

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Biskui wrote:
The real unbelievable thing about American culture, is that Miley Cyrus causes a bigger debate than the use of chemical weapons in Syria, world climate, the new position of China, or whatever important issue in this real world.

I don’t want to believe that this is all that America has to offer, culturally-wise. America got great writers, filmmakers, artists in all kinds. But the entertainment culture is just plain bullshit

Wake up, this story sucks, it s just a pitiful 20 yo star being an attention whore. It’s pathetic and ridiculous. That’s all. And she’s ugly.
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I’ve seen a lot of people mention this now, and no one actually making voice about those other things.

Talk about America’s shit culture = shut up, more important shit

More important shit = crickets…

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Opening the debate to the whole entertainment culture is interesting.

This MTV thing is just poor guys opiate. There is no cultural value or whatsoever. It’s just marketing, entertainment, keeping the masses happy. Robin Thicke shows some boobs in a clip, Miley twerking to get some attention, and everybody is happy.

The overreaction I m witnessing in US shows, everybody shocked etc… is just fuel for this engine.

No one will change the fucked up life of Miley Cyrus. And she won’t intoxicate all the girls with her sillyness.

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I just want to point out that this song was banned from being played back when I was in school at dances due to the “grinding” that would occur when it was played - and this was kids in junior high.

Now it’s in a back to school commercial for Target:

I agree with the whole “entertainers just keep trying to push the envelope further” thing, but I also agree that as a (future) parent, it does scare the shit out of me, at least a little. But I guess all you can do at the end of the day is try to teach your kids and hope they rest of the world doesn’t ruin them too bad.

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[quote]Biskui wrote:

Opening the debate to the whole entertainment culture is interesting.

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This is what I (failed) at trying to do.

But it doesn’t stop people who admit they didn’t read the thread from assuming what my position was… Which wastes time.

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Will Smith’s face was priceless, lol.

And welcome to the whorification of our culture. Very sad that was televized anywhere. Let’s inject sex into the youth culture as soon as possible and then wonder why teen pregnancy.

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[quote]Karado wrote:
Flipcollar typed: “I’d say the ever-increasing number of adult males who are still supported by their parents or living at home in their 20’s and beyond is more harmful to our society than the fact that teenagers are being ‘sold’ sex. A weird-ass 20 year old former child star dancing around in her underwear on TV for 6 minutes is nothing. A generation that’s been coddled so much they can’t figure out how to put together 500 dollars/month for rent by time they’re 25? Now that’s frightening.”

Not any more frightening than Marriage, a Mortgage, and having a kid that turns out like Miley
no matter how many times she was Baptized.[/quote]

This is actually interesting. I’m married, and I’m on my 2nd house. These 2 life-steps were not particularly scary to me.

My wife has 2 brothers in their 20’s who live with their parents. 1 still has yet to get a job at any point in his life. He has access to any and all electronics/entertainment at home. The other one has a kid and works as a part time waiter at a shitty restaurant, and is also stupidly spoiled.
I have 2 cousins in their 20’s living with their parents.
My last longterm girlfriend before I got married had a brother in his 30’s who was still living off his parents.

The fact that parents allow this bullshit scares the hell out of me. I’m part of this generation (I’m 29), so I’m obviously aware that not everyone in my generation is so weak-minded. But I’ve seen quite a bit of it lately. I can’t even imagine wanting that lifestyle.

As for the thought of having a daughter like Miley:
I would take that any day over the situations described above. At least she’s doing something. I’m not the most hip guy to pop culture, so correct me if I’m wrong, but what’s the worst trouble she’s gotten into? I mean, she has a stupid haircut and she put on a show in her underwear at an awards show. And? I think I remember something about smoking pot or something when she was younger. Does she have DUI’s? Arrests of any kind? I googled Miley Cyrus mugshots and came up with nothing, so I’m guessing not. I’ve never heard of her being involved in crazy drunk shenanigans at clubs. As far as I know she doesn’t have a sex tape. She’s successful in the music industry, and apparently acts well enough to have a tv show.

So yea, I don’t think having her for a daughter would be the worst thing in the world.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

So yea, I don’t think having her for a daughter would be the worst thing in the world.[/quote]

Certainly worse things in the world, but I’m telling you, you likely wouldn’t be happy watching that.

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counting beans typed: “Can’t we separate these kind of shows from music awards? I mean, I like burlesque shows as much as the next guy, but does it have to be on MTV?”

That’s funny, I like watching violent crime shows as much as the next guy, but does it have to be on
TNT, A&E, CBS, NBC, ABC TBS, and SPIKE TV?

Who’s the guy who’s making you watch MTV Clockwork Orange style?
And where can we find your thread on graphic violence on TV?
We can’t because it’s non-existent…why this and not a peep
on violence from you which is worse?

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I don’t get it, does Thor’s little brother not realize he can pull way better than that? Miley is gross.

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pop culture is shit period. Disney and MTV are just a small part of that. I dont give a fuck what miley Cyrus does. she just wants publicity. I would still hit it, whatev. I dont mind TV so much I just don’t watch it.
Now. music nowadays pisses me off bad because it is inescapable. I cant get in anybody’s car or go to any gyms without hearing shit music. Modern music has 2 types: Beta male whining that puts females on a pedestal or rehashed shit that went out of style 20 years ago.
thats what I think about “our culture”

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[quote]Karado wrote:
counting beans typed: “Can’t we separate these kind of shows from music awards? I mean, I like burlesque shows as much as the next guy, but does it have to be on MTV?”

That’s funny, I like watching violent crime shows as much as the next guy, but does it have to be on
TNT, A&E, CBS, NBC, ABC TBS, and SPIKE TV?

Who’s the guy who’s making you watch MTV Clockwork Orange style?
And where can we find your thread on graphic violence on TV?
We can’t because it’s non-existent…why this and not a peep
on violence from you which is worse?

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Look Mr. Mustard you are largely missing the point.

I’m not looking to ban anything, nor even force people to watch or not watch anything.

I’m asking if people are okay with this being our culture, and what we sell to teenagers.

You apparently answer that question: yes.

Good for you. Now run along and learn how to use the quote function.

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counting beans typed: "Look Mr. Mustard you are largely missing the point.

I’m not looking to ban anything, nor even force people to watch or not watch anything.

I’m asking if people are okay with this being our culture, and what we sell to teenagers.

You apparently answer that question: yes.

Good for you. Now run along and learn how to use the quote function."

I HEAR you, YOU are the one complaining that MTV shows ‘‘burlesque’’ style shit…I, ME,
‘‘Karado’’ sez…''Who is MAKING YOU watch this?"

NO, it’s NOT okay for teens under 15, 16, or maybe 18 to watch Dirty Miley,
WHO IS for THIS? I’m NOT, MOST here are not…but they show it anyway, because it’s
not breaking the law.
So what’s your real question??

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If anything this probably shows what happens when you shelter young girls too much. You have all these young girls, playing the perfect, innocent girl and being looked up to by millions of young girls. It’s incredibly stressful and Disney adds stress by creating this “perfect” image for them to live up to. And then as soon as they hit 18, they get dumped by Disney, or they’re so fed up with being the perfect girl that they want to work as adults and do something else but can’t because of the image Disney created for them, so they go and slut it up so people will look at them as adult women instead of little girls.

Britney Spears, Vanessa Hudgens, Selena Gomez, and Miley Cyrus. They all use to work at Disney and did stuff to break out of that little Disney girl image. Madonna was dry humping guys on stage in “Like a Virgin” 20 years ago too.

Jonas Brothers who also work for Disney would spray their 10-13 year old fans with white foam. No doubt preparing them for cum shots to the face in the future. Link to video:

Disney gets a lot of bad publicity because of people like the OP. Or because they have his attitude. When ever they venture away from being the perfect girl role-model, conservative parents complain. And Disney has to compensate by ensuring they have that perfect, manufactured image. This just puts more stress on a human being because they can’t be themselves or make mistakes causing them to overcompensate when they want to become adult. i.e Doing crazy, stupid, sexual things to be taken seriously as an adult woman instead of an innocent, good girl.

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Beans and SP and other parents in the thread, you have my sympathies. I say fuck Disney too but American (or Western) culture is the problem and I think parents are powerless in a lot of ways. I think there are ways to mitigate the damage but I am sitting here trying to imagine how I would deal with this crap if I had an 11 year old and I have no idea to be honest.

I hate to bring this up because I don`t have the time to come back and debate/defend/discuss it better and it will probably be not well received but I see a big part of the problem with America is that there is a deep denial that there could ever be any validity to sociology or the idea that we are influenced by our culture and instead Americans believe very strongly that all influences come from within, we’re all hard wired to be what we are, all people have 100% autonomy and responsibility over what goes in their brains and how it affects them and the mantra ‘Don’t Like It Don’t Buy Don’t watch it…’ etc is repeated over and over again. When I was a teenager and some Reverend Douchebag Jr was declaring my music as satanic and wanting it banned I was all for that mantra. And same for violent video games. But then I see this shit…hmmm… I’m not talking about banning anything, just stating it does have an impact. What you do with that acknowledgement if it’s true is another discussion I think.

I understand the reluctance to accept that as reality because it flies against the ideals of people taking personal responsibility and personally I see a lack of personal responsibility is another massive problem we’re facing but are in denial about.

I don’t know what the answer is but I suspect those are at the root of the cause.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
If Miley was hot, there would be way less debate about this.

I think everybody feels like they just watched a drunk, sloppy, 14 year old spring breaker grind on a 36 year old man in front of millions of people, and it didnt sit well. [/quote]

I guess twerking doesn’t work the glutes.[/quote]

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I’m just catching up on the thread and for me what makes this worthy of commentary is the pedobear undertone of the act.

Sexuality in itself isn’t a big deal IMO and women being slutty isn’t new for sure.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
I see a big part of the problem with America is that there is a deep denial that there could ever be any validity to sociology or the idea that we are influenced by our culture

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I’m not talking about banning anything, just stating it does have an impact. What you do with that acknowledgement if it’s true is another discussion I think.

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This is a good post.

I don’t think understanding that we each are part of a larger being, society, culture, whatever diminishes individualism or self government, but rather the opposite.

Understanding where and how you fit into the rest of us can only make you stronger and more independent, because you see how your actions, intentionally and unintentionally give consequence on others.

I don’t think anything should be banned, no I’m not offended by her performance.

If anything is offensive, it is people getting all butthurt when the culture is questioned in a way they don’t condone. Because apparently we should all think the same way and be okay with everything, and because things are better than a 100 years ago we should stop looking to examine ourselves and improve.

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I’m offended that you are offended by my being offended!!

(agreeing with you beans btw)

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[quote]Babylat wrote:

Disney gets a lot of bad publicity because of people like the OP. [/quote]

Tell me Aristotle, what kind of person am I?

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[quote]CircaThursday wrote:

Now. music nowadays pisses me off bad because it is inescapable. I cant get in anybody’s car or go to any gyms without hearing shit music. Modern music has 2 types: Beta male whining that puts females on a pedestal or rehashed shit that went out of style 20 years ago.
thats what I think about “our culture”[/quote]

Headphones at the gym. Satellite radio or IPod in the car. problem solved. that being said, there is plenty of fantastic music being made right now, you just have to dig a little bit sometimes.