Who the fuck does this bitch think she is? I agree with what another poster said in this thread; she’s got absolutely no body. She resembles a 12 year old boy more than a woman who’s gone through puberty. She’s just plain nasty, and not in the good way. Bottom line is that she shouldn’t be twerking or doing anything sexual on stage, off stage or in public.
I’d have love to seen Tyler the Creator and his goons creep up on stage, put a bag over her head and kidnap the bitch in front of everyone.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I used to have this shirt that said “No one can make you feel disgusting without your help, so get right with yourself first.”
I think that is very, very applicable here. Why are people all up in arms about this? So fucking what if some ex-Disney slut acts like a whore on MTV? Is this a very far departure from what’s been going on on that station for the last 20 years or so? Not at all. This shit happens all over every aspect of the media, entertainment, movies, etc., etc. If you don’t like it, turn it off. If you don’t want your 10 y/o kid watching it or listening to it, then don’t let them. You’re a fucking parent. Show some balls and lay down the law. I can remember the first time my parents heard me listening to rap music (I think it might have been Onyx). They flipped the fuck out at all the swearing and bitch this and ho that and barred me from ever listening to it in their home. Your house, your rules.
And what’s with everyone saying this is yet another sign of the degradation of our culture? What culture? Besides, if this was a sign of something seriously wrong with American culture and values we wouldn’t have every other motherfucker on the web chiming in on how debaucherous and wrong Cyrus’ act was. They’d all be hailing it as yet another wonderful performance from yet another ex-Disney slut rather than lambasting the performance the way they have thus far. Whatever is left of American culture will have continued to wither away when we start commending Cyrus’ act instead of roundly criticizing it.[/quote]
I kind of agree with the contentions in your last paragraph. If what you’re saying is true, then there’s no real point in criticising the performance from a moral perspective. Fight fire with fire. Miley Cyrus shouldn’t be on stage twerking and acting like a filthy slut, I don’t give a fuck who she is, she’s not aesthetically pleasing. I wouldn’t have a problem if a 20 yo Beyonce did that, even if she was a Disney star. She’s got the goods, so if she wants to work, let her work.
Miley’s trying too hard and pushing something she shouldn’t be pushing, which is why she’s getting lambasted for being desperate. Leave the rachet shit to the real rachet women.
[quote]Babylat wrote:
If anything this probably shows what happens when you shelter young girls too much. You have all these young girls, playing the perfect, innocent girl and being looked up to by millions of young girls. It’s incredibly stressful and Disney adds stress by creating this “perfect” image for them to live up to. And then as soon as they hit 18, they get dumped by Disney, or they’re so fed up with being the perfect girl that they want to work as adults and do something else but can’t because of the image Disney created for them, so they go and slut it up so people will look at them as adult women instead of little girls.
Britney Spears, Vanessa Hudgens, Selena Gomez, and Miley Cyrus. They all use to work at Disney and did stuff to break out of that little Disney girl image. Madonna was dry humping guys on stage in “Like a Virgin” 20 years ago too.
Jonas Brothers who also work for Disney would spray their 10-13 year old fans with white foam. No doubt preparing them for cum shots to the face in the future. Link to video:
Disney gets a lot of bad publicity because of people like the OP. Or because they have his attitude. When ever they venture away from being the perfect girl role-model, conservative parents complain. And Disney has to compensate by ensuring they have that perfect, manufactured image. This just puts more stress on a human being because they can’t be themselves or make mistakes causing them to overcompensate when they want to become adult. i.e Doing crazy, stupid, sexual things to be taken seriously as an adult woman instead of an innocent, good girl.[/quote]
Hilary Duff, Selena Gomez, Vanessa Hudgens and Raven Symone didn’t do any of the stuff Miley Cyrus is doing right now. The theory you’re reiterating and that seems to be shared by many in this thread makes logical sense but maybe it needs some refining to actual explain empirical truth i.e. a Miley Cyrus from former Disney fame doesn’t seem to be the norm.
I think people forget there should be a line between what is done in public and what is done in private - whether private be your bedroom or the champagne room (there is no sex there, remember). Regardless of the physical attractiveness of the participant/performer, those things don’t belong on stage or in any public venue. And yes, I feel the same way about clubs.
I would log that under a public display of affection, however fake/acted out it may be. To me, it is inappropriate. And I’d feel the same if it was Beyonce or Miley up there doing it. If you want to act like a whore, then the world can treat you as such, but deal with the consequences of your actions. I don’t like seeing people make out in public either, that’s again PDA, and if it belonged in said “public” we wouldn’t have an acronym to describe it.
Keep your naughty bits behind doors or behind curtains where they belong. Not for the public to see.
Many young women have Daddy issues.
When THIS is your daddy, you tend to have some great BIG issues.
If Miley’s lucky, she’ll become Angelina Jolie.
If she’s not lucky, she’ll become Britney Spears.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I used to have this shirt that said “No one can make you feel disgusting without your help, so get right with yourself first.”
I think that is very, very applicable here. Why are people all up in arms about this? So fucking what if some ex-Disney slut acts like a whore on MTV? Is this a very far departure from what’s been going on on that station for the last 20 years or so? Not at all. This shit happens all over every aspect of the media, entertainment, movies, etc., etc. If you don’t like it, turn it off. If you don’t want your 10 y/o kid watching it or listening to it, then don’t let them. You’re a fucking parent. Show some balls and lay down the law. I can remember the first time my parents heard me listening to rap music (I think it might have been Onyx). They flipped the fuck out at all the swearing and bitch this and ho that and barred me from ever listening to it in their home. Your house, your rules.
And what’s with everyone saying this is yet another sign of the degradation of our culture? What culture? Besides, if this was a sign of something seriously wrong with American culture and values we wouldn’t have every other motherfucker on the web chiming in on how debaucherous and wrong Cyrus’ act was. They’d all be hailing it as yet another wonderful performance from yet another ex-Disney slut rather than lambasting the performance the way they have thus far. Whatever is left of American culture will have continued to wither away when we start commending Cyrus’ act instead of roundly criticizing it.[/quote]
I again agree with everything you said.
But also if people think this shows how society is becoming more base they may have forgotten/not know about the dumb shit Madonna did and also whatever shit you can think of before that.
the twerking and shit? no one noticed that. what everyone has their knickers in a knot for is that she looks like a stick insect that pokes its tongue out crawling around on stage.
she also broke the try too hard barrier.
idk theres shows with sexual overtones, and then theres just outright hedonistically slutting it up in front of a bunch of children aged anywhere from 10-17 who are going to go home and emulate your style and behavior.
How long before shes just ouright taking some dude balls deep on stage??
But really more than that, she just looks so… fucking…stupid
That outfit was a terrible choice, she looks like she just got jacked in some sort of concentration camp and it looks like shes got thrush on her tongue from either AIDs or popping too much x, I’m guessing the latter but with her habits lately it might be the former, shit.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]DN90 wrote:
She’s not really affiliated with Disney anymore, right? If not, then you really shouldn’t be slagging Disney for this. They’re probably mildly embarrassed about this too even if they aren’t involved with her.[/quote]
It isn’t so much Disney in and of itself as to why I listed this, but the celebrity making, worship and focus things like Disney create out of these kids.
Finding Nemo… It is a talking fish, so if clown fish suddenly have celebrity, then fine. Hanna Montana is a person, who at the time wasn’t really old enough to make the choices her father made for her. I’m sure she wanted it, but you can’t tell me wrapping your head around extreme fame is easy for a grown person, let alone a teen. No wonder this chicks turning and going 180 degrees in the opposite direction.
So we as a culture create these “monsters”. We largely set them up to fail. No one can live up to the “Disney” image, because they are humans. Timberlake is one of the few exceptions, but he wasn’t all that big until NSYNC.
So when I said “Disney” in the OP, I didn’t really mean the actual company as much as I meant the perception, expectation and celebrity that comes from the “Disney”.
Right.
So the question really becomes, are we okay with this?
Apparently we should be because segregation, how on Earth that is related I don’t know, but I’ve been tossed that nonsense so far.
The other reason we should be okay with it most often cited is because it happened before… Okay, there are a lot of things that have happened before we shouldn’t let happen again, I could name a lot of them.
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It’s also tough to say that parents should raise their kids better and just prevent them from seeing these things. That’s a completely unrealistic expectation these days. Can’t watch your kids everywhere and all the time. [/quote]
Thank you. Reality.
Neither do I, not at all.
She can do as she pleases.
But music is supposed to be art right? [/quote]
I agree with you on the frustration with Disney creating child stars like that, but it is what it is. I can’t really blame Disney for what happens after, as I imagine from there perspective this can only be a negative.
As far ask being “okay with this”, like I said in my post, it’s not really a question of being okay with it, it’s a matter of whether any potential “solutions” would make things better or worse. Unless you can think of a solution that doesn’t lead to it’s own problems, what else can you do but ignore?
Not our choices what constitutes as art or expression either. Trust me I found nothing artistic about that performance, but she was within her rights to do it. If she gets reprimanded or if you really have complaints, it has to be to MTV, if anyone.
[quote]Babylat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Babylat wrote:
Disney gets a lot of bad publicity because of people like the OP. [/quote]
Tell me Aristotle, what kind of person am I?[/quote]
Listen I don’t want to argue. You should just let it go. You conveyed a certain attitude about young women acting this way after working at Disney and being a role model for little girls. The truth is that attitude that these celebrities should have a certain image is what pressures Disney into making these girls into the perfect girl. And with that image it gets hard to get work as an adult, so they overcompensate by sexualizing themselves as much as possible.[/quote]
Aside from making judgements about Beans I agree with this post. She is just pitifully trying to stay relevant. If your kid grew up with Hannah Montana, Miley Cyrus is but an afterthought now. I asked my soon to be 16 year old what she thought of it and she was ambivalent. I realize this can be taken as she is numb to all the sexuality around us, but I saw it as Miley being largely irrelevant to her now.
[quote]CircaThursday wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I used to have this shirt that said “No one can make you feel disgusting without your help, so get right with yourself first.”
I think that is very, very applicable here. Why are people all up in arms about this? So fucking what if some ex-Disney slut acts like a whore on MTV? Is this a very far departure from what’s been going on on that station for the last 20 years or so? Not at all. This shit happens all over every aspect of the media, entertainment, movies, etc., etc. If you don’t like it, turn it off. If you don’t want your 10 y/o kid watching it or listening to it, then don’t let them. You’re a fucking parent. Show some balls and lay down the law. I can remember the first time my parents heard me listening to rap music (I think it might have been Onyx). They flipped the fuck out at all the swearing and bitch this and ho that and barred me from ever listening to it in their home. Your house, your rules.
And what’s with everyone saying this is yet another sign of the degradation of our culture? What culture? Besides, if this was a sign of something seriously wrong with American culture and values we wouldn’t have every other motherfucker on the web chiming in on how debaucherous and wrong Cyrus’ act was. They’d all be hailing it as yet another wonderful performance from yet another ex-Disney slut rather than lambasting the performance the way they have thus far. Whatever is left of American culture will have continued to wither away when we start commending Cyrus’ act instead of roundly criticizing it.[/quote]
interesting opinion.
you are a teacher. do you follow current trends, fads, and popular music so you can relate to your highschool students? or just tune it all out? im just curious since you are a teacher.[/quote]
Of course I don’t follow trends just to relate to my students. I don’t give a fuck what they’re into. I’m their teacher, not their friend. What sort of shit they’re into has no bearing on whether I can do my job well or not. I’m there to teach, not talk about the latest Lady Gaga album with them. I relate to them just fine, as fellow human beings.
I think that the line between vulgar and sexually provocative has to do with permission. Madonna started slow and turned up the heat so that her viewing public was begging to see more.
Miley Cyrus kicked down the door and charged in like a drunken slut on a three day bender. Nobody was begging to see that.
The only thing missing from that white trash clown show was some dude in a wife beater getting offended and fighting with the dude she was slobbing on while screaming “You think you’re better than me?!?”
[quote]debraD wrote:
Beans and SP and other parents in the thread, you have my sympathies. I say fuck Disney too but American (or Western) culture is the problem and I think parents are powerless in a lot of ways. I think there are ways to mitigate the damage but I am sitting here trying to imagine how I would deal with this crap if I had an 11 year old and I have no idea to be honest.
I hate to bring this up because I don`t have the time to come back and debate/defend/discuss it better and it will probably be not well received but I see a big part of the problem with America is that there is a deep denial that there could ever be any validity to sociology or the idea that we are influenced by our culture and instead Americans believe very strongly that all influences come from within, we’re all hard wired to be what we are, all people have 100% autonomy and responsibility over what goes in their brains and how it affects them and the mantra ‘Don’t Like It Don’t Buy Don’t watch it…’ etc is repeated over and over again. When I was a teenager and some Reverend Douchebag Jr was declaring my music as satanic and wanting it banned I was all for that mantra. And same for violent video games. But then I see this shit…hmmm… I’m not talking about banning anything, just stating it does have an impact. What you do with that acknowledgement if it’s true is another discussion I think.
I understand the reluctance to accept that as reality because it flies against the ideals of people taking personal responsibility and personally I see a lack of personal responsibility is another massive problem we’re facing but are in denial about.
I don’t know what the answer is but I suspect those are at the root of the cause.[/quote]
Interesting things in this post.
First thing I would like to say… The first denial is often first the denial of kids sexual life. Kids are sex machines. Anybody who has a child have seen him masturbate, play with dolls, discovering sex sensations etc… They are not angels at all.
The second thing I see is that parents (I just have a stepson, but I have to act like a stepfather, which is sometimes not so easy) often have the temptation of putting the kids in the center of their life, of everything, organize their life according to the children. Children are often kings in the home and rule everything. I see tons of parents who have 0 discipline with the children. I am not saying we have to go Germanic on childs but kids are kids. Our society is so child-centered that it’s fuckin scary. Parents become guilty of having feelings or needs.
Regarding the VMA episode… Well I don’t give a shit about Miley Cyrus, I think she will probably end up dead by OD in a dark hotel room in some years. She is taking that highway and I don’t care.
Everything that she does, right now, sucks. There is no artistic value, nothing. Her main issue is probably that she is not an artist, she has no talent. She was built for performing, that’s all and she’s losing control and needs attention badly.
The root of evil is MTV Culture displaying slutiness as an effective way to get attention and as a normal behavior in a modern society. Miley is just a small event. All the Jersey Shore / GEordie Shore, shows, paying people to be sluts and show them to the world, all that mainstream bullshit sucks.
10 years ago when I was in age to go often to clubs etc… there were slutty girls. They were always here but at the time, people were saying “poor girls she lacks love so much she is becoming crazy”. I went to a music show 3 months ago and the twerking shit was crazy. I consider myself as a very open minded and tolerant guy but seeing girls aged 15 to 20 acting like they were all strippers was… wow. And they were proud of themselves. That’s the worst part. Some of them craved the attention so badly that they did not want to leave the stage. I went to the technos events of the 90s in Europe, pretty drug-filled environment, and also in the hip-hop scene, and never saw that kind of thing.
I think the only thing we can do is educate the childs to have their own values, by displaying to them the real values (that means, not watching this kind of shows, etc) and happiness in the respect of the values, and love the kids but don’t accept everything from them.
Another thing. People now have access to REAL culture and science, freely, with Internet. Everything is free and 2 clicks away. Books, paintings, explanations, science, technology, technics, etc… Virtually all the knowledge of the world is accessible. Knowledge and skills are the best weapon in life in a modern society.
You can run a business on the internet, earn money, get friends, etc…
And what do most people do ? (including me, sometimes, and I hate it) Watch MTV, go to youtube fighting in stupid debates about the latest nip-slip, etc…
This is not 1984. This is Aldous Huxley telling us that pleasure is controlling us. We are owned by things we crave.
[quote]Biskui wrote:
Our society is so child-centered that it’s fuckin scary. [/quote]
and
and the abortion ratio was 227 abortions per 1,000 live births
Don’t know if I agree with your sentiment.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Babylat wrote:
Disney gets a lot of bad publicity because of people like the OP. [/quote]
Tell me Aristotle, what kind of person am I?[/quote]
A privileged father.
Face it since the beginning of time fathers have been helplessly unhappy with their daughters and sexuality. I’m no father but I understand it, I think about the things I’ve done with women and loved every minute of it, but I would want to threaten every non perfect boy out there if I had a daughter who dated. You will never be right because you said it yourself you thought differently before. Your biased and that can’t be changed.
Miley did nothing out of the ordinary for a 20 year old girl even 100 years ago. Only difference is back then she may have had 3 kids and a husband by now. It is natural for all mammals to have a peak sexual period. Disney distracts and fools parents, while hiding the real world from their kids.
Stats on sexual diseases are always scary but let’s be serious std’s have been around since adam and eve. Trying to extrapolate them 20 years has never been accurate. It’s always been a new disease, a new cure, a new reason.
I need Prof X to change his avatar, I’m having warm fuzzy feelings about it.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I think that the line between vulgar and sexually provocative has to do with permission. Madonna started slow and turned up the heat so that her viewing public was begging to see more.
Miley Cyrus kicked down the door and charged in like a drunken slut on a three day bender. Nobody was begging to see that.
The only thing missing from that white trash clown show was some dude in a wife beater getting offended and fighting with the dude she was slobbing on while screaming “You think you’re better than me?!?”
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Leave it to SkyZykS to really nail it.
What Cyrus did was not similar to what Madonna or Apellonia or Britney Spears or any one of them have done in the past. This was not sexy, or provocative or pushing the boundaries.
Miley’s performance was about as sexy as seeing a woman get beat up. This was in your face ugly. An affront to your senses. I don’t think it has anything to do with her background at Disney. People are disgusted because it was a disgusting performance. Everything about it screamed ‘bad taste’. Simple as that.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Biskui wrote:
Our society is so child-centered that it’s fuckin scary. [/quote]
and
and the abortion ratio was 227 abortions per 1,000 live births
Don’t know if I agree with your sentiment.
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Well they are not kids anymore (and my personal thought is that foetus is not a kid) since they are aborted.
Back to the topic btw, some fun :
