[quote]Professor X wrote:
Your kid’s friends don’t mean they see this at home.[/quote]
Your kid’s friends make up the bulk of society.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Parents shouldn’t be outraged because they chose to let their children watch it. [/quote]
You understand that society is largely composed of other people’s kids right? That society effects all of us, whether you want to admit it or not? And that your children have friends who may not be so sheltered as to have their TV strictly monitored at say, age 12?[/quote]
I mean I am aware with that and agree to a point. Like the airplane movie incident. Material questionable for kids should not be shown in a public forum without any real way to avoid it. I can agree with that. And I am not saying that the act wasn’t ridiculous because it was.
However, if you cant trust that your kid will be held to your standards, or pretty close, at a friends house then maybe you should question whether or not you want to send them over there. Also, if you raised your child correctly then they will probably see the ridiculousness in what Miley Cyrus does also. I can understand people ragging on MTV for how truly horrible the thing was, but don’t pretend like that one stunt will warp your kid or that anyone is responsible for your parenting failures but yourself. (And I will give a few exceptions to parents who seem to do things right and their kids still go wrong when they go out on their own, it happens)
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Your kid’s friends don’t mean they see this at home.[/quote]
Your kid’s friends make up the bulk of society.
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But if your kids friends are bringing him down, isn’t it your responsibility to teach him how to reject that negative influence and pick better friends?
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
But if your kids friends are bringing him down, isn’t it your responsibility to teach him how to reject that negative influence and pick better friends?[/quote]
Since when do kids listen to their parents regarding their choice of friends?
Especially once they become teens?
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
But if your kids friends are bringing him down, isn’t it your responsibility to teach him how to reject that negative influence and pick better friends?[/quote]
Since when do kids listen to their parents regarding their choice of friends?
Especially once they become teens?[/quote]
It’s too late if you are starting discipline at that age.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Your kid’s friends don’t mean they see this at home.[/quote]
Your kid’s friends make up the bulk of society.
[/quote]
But if your kids friends are bringing him down, isn’t it your responsibility to teach him how to reject that negative influence and pick better friends?[/quote]
Sure.
What about the group of teens in Seattle, Miami, Dallas, and the suburbs of Reno?
I’m speaking on a much broader term than my child alone here. No one wants to address that though. Why?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Parents shouldn’t be outraged because they chose to let their children watch it. What right to outrage do they really have if they allow that to be watched.
The Side note was irrelevant to the previous topic. I am fully aware that MTV has a large audience that is preteen and young teen and the teddy bear thing might amuse them, but again parents fault they were watching and it still doesn’t change the fact that I am pretty sure the majority of the viewers not interested in 10 year old girls that night did not find that amusing.[/quote]
They may have done it…so we would talk about it now…because no one gave a shit about VMA’s until this.[/quote]
10 millions viewers, not to mention people who DVR’d it.
12 million in 2011…
This year’s broadcast is also currently the no. 1 cable entertainment telecast of the year among the P12-34 rating, MTV’s key demographic.
Less people than that live in Sweden…
I don’t think “no one gave a shit” is accurate.
There is more:
â??Itâ??s the highest level of revenue weâ??ve ever produced for a show," says Jeff Lucas, head of sales for Viacom Media Networksâ?? Music & Entertainment, Advertising Sales & Marketing group, who also noted last year’s impressive social media numbers as part of the reason behind this year’s sponsorship gains.
Down play the magnitude of the audience this reaches all you want…[/quote]
Hey, you have a point…people were watching.
Now…we have to figure out why…because I know I had no trouble keeping my tv off that night.
…but then, I don’t look to Miley for social status tips.
I don’t know, man…this is what most people dealt with may years ago. I just can’t see anyone looking at Miley and thinking anything else other than that she inspired negative press and made herself look bad…when I am sure the goal was to just shed her “school girl image”.
This wasn’t a sex act…and frankly, if you are letting your kids watch this, then I assume they have seen enough videos to not be new to ass cheeks…so why all the outrage here?
I see more titilating women on hip hop videos.
This may have just made more kids STOP having sex.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Your kid’s friends don’t mean they see this at home.[/quote]
Your kid’s friends make up the bulk of society.
[/quote]
But if your kids friends are bringing him down, isn’t it your responsibility to teach him how to reject that negative influence and pick better friends?[/quote]
Sure.
What about the group of teens in Seattle, Miami, Dallas, and the suburbs of Reno?
I’m speaking on a much broader term than my child alone here. No one wants to address that though. Why? [/quote]
I am.
It is your job to set this shit in stone long before they are teenagers.
I mean, shit, I remember being a teenager…what my parents didn’t know couldn’t hurt them.
This is 2013. If you plan on having a 13 year old in the house, thinking that sex, drugs, society won’t be an issue at all is crazy.
Seriously, by that age…what is wrong with what Miley did if you already set the rules?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Hey, you have a point…people were watching.
Now…we have to figure out why
…
so why all the outrage here?[/quote]
Because our culture is either deplorable or non-existent.
Neither option is good.
Madonna, Gaga… They are trying to make art out of being erotic, turn sex into art. There is an attempt at something there that goes beyond biological penis in vagina. What happened the other night wasn’t art, or even an attempt at it.
And then, what is really depressing about the whole thing is the responses I get if I try and have a conversation:
- You’re over-privileged (particularly enjoyed that from someone who lives by ‘dat ad hom’ and admitted to not have read the thread or understand my position.)
- You’re a bad parent
- You’re uptight
- it is everyone else’s problem, particularly parents
Have we really gotten to the point where we can’t be critical of even ourselves? (We reached the point where you can’t be critical of others, without toeing the ‘party’ line years ago.)
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Seriously, by that age…what is wrong with what Miley did if you already set the rules?[/quote]
I don’t know why, but this reminds me of something you said before along the lines of, just because it is the majority opinion doesn’t mean it is correct…
I mean I agree that most of the stuff that targets our kids is filth. There is no question about that. And much of our society condones it by tuning in. Which if you watch the show that is exactly what you are doing. Much like what Prof X said though, by the time they get old enough to make their own decisions on what to watch, who to hang out with, or how to act, then parents should have already engrained in them the morals that would cause them to see something like the Cyrus stunt for what it is, filth, and not watch.
If these parents are outraged because their kids or young teens saw it then I have a couple questions: Where were you when your kid was watching this and if they were older, did you sit down and discuss why they watched that when that wasn’t how they were raised?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
But if your kids friends are bringing him down, isn’t it your responsibility to teach him how to reject that negative influence and pick better friends?[/quote]
Since when do kids listen to their parents regarding their choice of friends?
Especially once they become teens?[/quote]
It’s too late if you are starting discipline at that age.[/quote]
But isn’t that assuming that whatever discipline you set at the younger age will just stick, no matter what?
I don’t buy the belief that proper discipline and parenting will lead to a well behaved teen. Teens are teens for a reason.
Unless your definition of proper discipline involves intimidation and fear.
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
But if your kids friends are bringing him down, isn’t it your responsibility to teach him how to reject that negative influence and pick better friends?[/quote]
Since when do kids listen to their parents regarding their choice of friends?
Especially once they become teens?[/quote]
It’s too late if you are starting discipline at that age.[/quote]
But isn’t that assuming that whatever discipline you set at the younger age will just stick, no matter what?
I don’t buy the belief that proper discipline and parenting will lead to a well behaved teen. Teens are teens for a reason.
Unless your definition of proper discipline involves intimidation and fear.[/quote]
Doesn’t always work, it improves your chances. Letting teens be teens contributes to a lot of the problems college age kids experience. Parents will parent until the kid hits 13 and then its like you turn them loose to figure it out. I don’t really think parents jobs are done when they have a kid in college if that kid is being supported by them.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Doesn’t always work, it improves your chances. Letting teens be teens contributes to a lot of the problems college age kids experience. Parents will parent until the kid hits 13 and then its like you turn them loose to figure it out. I don’t really think parents jobs are done when they have a kid in college if that kid is being supported by them. [/quote]
That’s not what I meant.
While obviously letting a teen run loose is stupid, smothering the teen with rules or discipline is equally bad. It just makes them feel confined and resent you. Plus they start making the bad decisions the moment they leave the nest.
I’ve always felt that the best parents are those that lead through example and let their children know that their parents are dependable when trouble comes.
By leading through example, you hopefully instill good habits and behaviors and prevent your child from having their head up their ass and thinking that nothing is their fault. But, when they do make mistakes or do “bad” things, you give them a place where they can come for support and understanding.
Ideally they’ll understand that you’ll never condone murder or something equally horrible, but they also know that you’ll love them regardless of what they’ve done.
I searched through the thread but Beans did you ever explain what was wrong with what Miley did?
Do you think her parents did that when they made her? albeit significantly less clothes on.
Most cultural dances I’ve seen, even once representing old 1000 years ago dances include some sexual form, or hip gyration in it. The wildest thing may be choice in clothes but even then that’s only half of the cultures out there and most of those being cultures developed in cold weather.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
I searched through the thread but Beans did you ever explain what was wrong with what Miley did?
Do you think her parents did that when they made her? albeit significantly less clothes on.
Most cultural dances I’ve seen, even once representing old 1000 years ago dances include some sexual form, or hip gyration in it. The wildest thing may be choice in clothes but even then that’s only half of the cultures out there and most of those being cultures developed in cold weather.[/quote]
Hey, the only reason they bring an issue here is because most of the grown men watching just found out she wasn’t a little girl that night…and that scared the shit out of them because they realized their own little girls won’t be girls much longer either.
I personally am appalled they didn’t pick Vanessa for that part.
Of all of the women to throw into that outfit…the designer was clearly a gay man.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
I searched through the thread but Beans did you ever explain what was wrong with what Miley did?
.[/quote]
I have.
People just keep missing it. Either because they don’t want to discuss it, or it is more fun to pretend I’m saying things I’m not.
If you don’t show me a video of she driving while drinking, getting high or treating a fan badly i see no problem.
It’s her problem to dress whatever she wants without bothering anyone, She has money, fame and success.
Nothing justifies all that outrage, i guess we have only to judge it’s if she is happy or not…
[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
She has money, fame and success.
Nothing justifies all that outrage,
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What if the people outraged have money, fame and success?
Does that justify it? Because your post implies that money, fame and success justify an individuals choices…
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
What a strange thread.
Aren’t we on a bodybuilding website?
You know, this most frivolous, narcissistic hobby where men pose online and brag with stats and numbers?
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Good point