I am reposting my reply to someone in the other
forum about Vitex here as I am sure many of
you have questions. Some of this may not
make sense to you as it has to do with someone
elses question about his wife’s PCOD and diabetes.
But there is some great info here.
Remember this, Biotest is the first and
currently only company with the balls to
take something that is traditionally a
“woman’s supplement”, investigate it, and
realize it would be awesome for men.
I am sure we will catch a bunch of hell from
assholes who have no clue and who want to
slam us…these fuckers are merely stupid or
ignorant or both.
If you’re smart and do some reading, you’ll
want to use Vitex (and better still, the new
combo product we call “M” because it seriously
kicks ass). I have been on Solaray Vitex for
5 weeks now. The effect on me has been similar
to Clomid as I am blowing massive loads, have
oily skin, a little acne, etc. I am also up
a few pounds and somewhat emotional (haven’t
you all noticed how short tempered I am lately
even more so than usual? It is the Vitex!).
Anyhow…here you go, enjoy:
Brock Strasser 2001-07-22 03:40:28
If you wife has PCOD and diabetes, she is playing with fire using anything other than her MD suggest. I am guessing he wants to use Clomid? I would not do anything other than what he/she says and I will not help you do anything else either. Vitex is an LH increasing agent. Clomid is also. Vitex (unlike Clomid) seems to decrease prolactin levels (this is a good thing in bb’ers for sure as increases in prolactin can lead to a rare type of gyno…probably/posibly the gyno the occassional trenbolone user experiences but I am speculating here for sure). Go get a physiology text and see what LH does in men and women (not the same thing, that is for sure). In a nutshell, LH is the hormone that regulate testosterone secretion in men. Vitex increases LH. Do the math. Now FSH may increase testosterone levels in men by inducing maturation of the Leydig cells in your nuts and Vitex does decrease FSH. But fuck, it’s a trade off I would do for sure, because while FSH may help a little, LH is the big kehuna here without ANY doubts at all!!! Also prolactin tends to inhibit both LH and FSH so if you ace the prolactin, you get more LH and FSH. Vitex does this quite well. Prolactin can also directly inhibit spermatogenesis so Vitex is probabky a help there too. I am guessing that Vitex will have an effect of a hybrid between HCG and Clomid. HCG has almost no FSH type effect and a lot of LH effect. So Vitex, even though it is known as a female’s herb, has a profound effect in men. Let’s talk about women and why they would use Vitex. Estrogen (in women) works in a POSITIVE feedback loop to increase LH. LOWER ESTROGEN = MORE LH!!! LH is what causes follicle maturation and ovulation to occur (along with FSH). Progesterone is primarily made in the corpus luteum of the follicle (in the ovary during the “luteal phase” of the menstrual cycle). So if you give a woman Vitex, LH increases which will stimulate the Graffian follicle to maturity and increase progesterone. Men don’t have ovaries and thus, Vitex won’t increase progesterone in men for this reason. Estrogens are also produced in the ovaries. LH (and FSH more so) will also effect this. Men don’t have ovaries. Vitex will not increase estrogen in men unless the extra testosterone secreted by using Vitex leads to more aromatization into estrogens. Anovulatory women can sometimes benefit from Vitex for the same reason they do with Clomid or HCG (or HMG). Clomid is better than Vitex (in theory) for infertile women because it acts as an anti-estrogen at the pituitary and will cause FSH levels to rise allowing for maturation of the ova (you need both FSH and LH for optimal fertility…Vitex doesn’t work optimally but it does help in something like 70% of the cases). Just as a heads up, LH seems to regulate the conversion of cholesterol to pregnenolone and FSH seems to regulate THE AROMATIZATION of androgens to estrogens in the follicle. Additionally…as estrogen levels rise, so does FSH while LH decreases. As estrogen levels drop, FSH decreases and LH increases. This might explain why Vitex inhibits FSH. Finally, Vitex is merely one of the many ingredients in “M”, Biotest’s new Clomidesque goodie. The other stuff is in there for many reasons You can use regular Vitex if you are in a hurry but it will be worth the wait for my new goodie for sure!!! Brock