[quote]Fulford wrote:
Theirs more to health then supplements that effect your ego lifting. 20,000 IU does seem a little high though and no one truly knows it’s potential. Even though theirs some decent evidence on toxicity beyond 20,000 IU it’s a respectable amount.[/quote]
Thank you.
[quote]morepain wrote:
as with all supplements the confusion and varying response is due to one thing, whether or not you have a deficiency. when i say deficiency i refer to anything less than optimal levels. I work with a functional medicine specialist for some very specific health issues but we run extensive lab work to dial in nutrient deficiencies.
This is another area where you just have to be tested, not just once but follow up to be sure the supplementation is working. SOme will respond to a minimal amoutn , others will require large amounts. For me, and i have the blood data to prove it…its took 10000iu per day every day to maintain a level of 72 which is just about perfect.
What has it done for me? TOTALLY eliminated my nearly suicidal seasonal depression. So if you think that is placebo…well, you have obviously never lived through that hell. Trust me i didn’t think for a second that it could make that much difference, so i sure as hell didn’t just THINK my way to it working, i thought it would never work. But it did, and i have never suffered a bout since. [/quote]
Very interesting - thank you.
[quote]morepain wrote:
as with all supplements the confusion and varying response is due to one thing, whether or not you have a deficiency. when i say deficiency i refer to anything less than optimal levels. [/quote]
There’s a huge difference between deficiency and optimal levels. For example, the RDA for vitamin D is set at levels that will prevent rickets. The skin will produce a lot more than the RDA just by regular sun exposure. The optimal level for vitamin D is simply unknown. Here I personally define “optimal” to refer to the amount that gives maximum benefits in all areas, including anti-depressive effects, anti-cancer effects, immune system benefits, etc. etc. These benefits are nearly impossible to quantify, so it’s not practical to define an optimal level for D.
Been taking 4k a day for 2 months. split twice a day. 2k in the morning and 2k at supper or after working out.
Everyone at work has been sick with something at one time or another-not me!
If I can stay healthy this year, it’s worth taking, along with Superfood every day.
A lot of things I’ve been reading is that it helps you stay healthy. That’s good enough for me.
[quote]duke6j wrote:
Been taking 4k a day for 2 months. split twice a day. 2k in the morning and 2k at supper or after working out.
Everyone at work has been sick with something at one time or another-not me!
If I can stay healthy this year, it’s worth taking, along with Superfood every day.
A lot of things I’ve been reading is that it helps you stay healthy. That’s good enough for me.
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From what I’ve read about the vitamin you don’t need to take it twice per day. In fact, you can take all you need in one dose at the beginning of each week. I take mine once in the morning from force of habit taking vitamins each day.
I wonder if anyone has had different responses receiving Vitamin-D through natural sunlight exposure or private tanning in comparison to just supplementing with Vitamin D3 (aside from darker skin).
[quote]ZEB wrote:
From what I’ve read about the vitamin you don’t need to take it twice per day. In fact, you can take all you need in one dose at the beginning of each week. I take mine once in the morning from force of habit taking vitamins each day.[/quote]
That’s 3 times I’ve heard of supplementing in intervals with Vitamin D3 (with very wide variations). I still haven’t read the specific reasoning for that claim. 
[quote]yorik wrote:
morepain wrote:
as with all supplements the confusion and varying response is due to one thing, whether or not you have a deficiency. when i say deficiency i refer to anything less than optimal levels.
There’s a huge difference between deficiency and optimal levels. For example, the RDA for vitamin D is set at levels that will prevent rickets. The skin will produce a lot more than the RDA just by regular sun exposure. The optimal level for vitamin D is simply unknown. Here I personally define “optimal” to refer to the amount that gives maximum benefits in all areas, including anti-depressive effects, anti-cancer effects, immune system benefits, etc. etc. These benefits are nearly impossible to quantify, so it’s not practical to define an optimal level for D.[/quote]
agreed, if you read my statement closely that is exactly what i am saying. my definition of optimal is the same as yours…anything less than the required amount to eliminate any signs of deficiency is not optinal, regardless of how high that is. for me a blood level of 72-80 works very well. For reference when i was on 2000iu per day (a dose most would consider high) i still had undetectable levels of d3. I was not at my target range until i ramped up to 10000iu per day. I have worked for 2 years now with a orthomolecular psychiatrist / functional medicine specialist and have fine tuned not just d3 but all vitamin and mineral levels. That is the other part of the picture people just don’t get, you have to treat the body as a system, you can not single out one nutrient and think it will magically solve all your problems. Some are closely related to certain ailments however…as is the case with d3 and seasonal depression.
[quote]morepain wrote:
yorik wrote:
morepain wrote:
as with all supplements the confusion and varying response is due to one thing, whether or not you have a deficiency. when i say deficiency i refer to anything less than optimal levels.
There’s a huge difference between deficiency and optimal levels. For example, the RDA for vitamin D is set at levels that will prevent rickets. The skin will produce a lot more than the RDA just by regular sun exposure. The optimal level for vitamin D is simply unknown. Here I personally define “optimal” to refer to the amount that gives maximum benefits in all areas, including anti-depressive effects, anti-cancer effects, immune system benefits, etc. etc. These benefits are nearly impossible to quantify, so it’s not practical to define an optimal level for D.
agreed, if you read my statement closely that is exactly what i am saying. my definition of optimal is the same as yours…anything less than the required amount to eliminate any signs of deficiency is not optinal, regardless of how high that is. for me a blood level of 72-80 works very well. For reference when i was on 2000iu per day (a dose most would consider high) i still had undetectable levels of d3. I was not at my target range until i ramped up to 10000iu per day. I have worked for 2 years now with a orthomolecular psychiatrist / functional medicine specialist and have fine tuned not just d3 but all vitamin and mineral levels. That is the other part of the picture people just don’t get, you have to treat the body as a system, you can not single out one nutrient and think it will magically solve all your problems. Some are closely related to certain ailments however…as is the case with d3 and seasonal depression.
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What have been your results though? whether you think it’s sole from D3 or from D3 in combination?
Not trying to downplay how much you take but everyone seems to be focusing on how much to take and not the OP’s original question of what were the results, which admittedly is hard to quantify but is probably why he asked.
[quote]Oquendog wrote:
I wonder if anyone has had different responses receiving Vitamin-D through natural sunlight exposure or private tanning in comparison to just supplementing with Vitamin D3 (aside from darker skin).
ZEB wrote:
From what I’ve read about the vitamin you don’t need to take it twice per day. In fact, you can take all you need in one dose at the beginning of each week. I take mine once in the morning from force of habit taking vitamins each day.
That’s 3 times I’ve heard of supplementing in intervals with Vitamin D3 (with very wide variations). I still haven’t read the specific reasoning for that claim. :([/quote]
It’s a fat soluble compound. You don’t piss it out, it is stored in adipose tissue until it is needed. This is why you don’t get into Vit D deficiency until the middle of winter (at least here in NY) Your skin stops making it towards the end of summer early fall here, but you really get the depression symptoms like in Jan-Feb. I too like daily supplementaion for the simple fact that i’m already taking daily multi’s and other supps, so throwing in a D3 pill is easy. I do not believe there is any benefit to taking it multiple times per day, it certainly isn’t going to hurt either. I would just say whatever you prefer.
V
Just wanted to put my results here.
Feb 04/09
69nmol/L 75-250
Started supplementing with 20000iu per day (NOW brand)
May 27/09
139nmol/L 75-250
Aug 26/09
182nmol/L 75-250
Dropped down to 10000iu per day.
Will test in the new year.
Didn’t notice a change in mood but I am happy it’s near the top of range
Everyone, including the OP, come visit Vancouver, BC.
Then see how you feel.
We don’t get any sunshine from October to March due to the rainy season here.
You’ll definitely feel a difference when you’re taking Vitamin D or not.
There is no sun here.
Texas?
You probably get enough sun just walking to your car.
With my Vitamin D3 supplementation I’m noticing a slight tingle on my right hand, about 1.78 inches on the bottom side of my pinky finger.
[quote]brandon76 wrote:
With my Vitamin D3 supplementation I’m noticing a slight tingle on my right hand, about 1.78 inches on the bottom side of my pinky finger.[/quote]
I highly doubt that the vitamin D is causing this tingling. However excessive amounts vitamin B6, in the neighborhood of 100mg depending on your bodyweight, can cause tingling in the hands and arms.
[quote]Oquendog wrote:
I wonder if anyone has had different responses receiving Vitamin-D through natural sunlight exposure or private tanning in comparison to just supplementing with Vitamin D3 (aside from darker skin).
ZEB wrote:
From what I’ve read about the vitamin you don’t need to take it twice per day. In fact, you can take all you need in one dose at the beginning of each week. I take mine once in the morning from force of habit taking vitamins each day.
That’s 3 times I’ve heard of supplementing in intervals with Vitamin D3 (with very wide variations). I still haven’t read the specific reasoning for that claim. :([/quote]
d3 takes longer to break down in the body, IIRC, and levels remain stable over a longer time period. D2 is a non-human form and is essentially worthless.
You guys talking about vitamin d for health rather than as a performance enhancing supp are right on the money. Vitamin D is not gonna maxz0rz your bench, it’s gonna (help) keep you healthy and happy. What use is a strong body if you spend several weeks a year sick or depressed?
Dr. Davis talks about vitamin D at length over at HeartScanBlog, if you’re interested.
I read that the tablets are useless and you need to take the liquid form. Anyone have any information on that? Is it true? I htink Shugs even mentioned it in the D article.
I pay $14 Canadian for 90 1,000 IU liquid pills (NOW brand) because they are the only non-tablet I can find. The tablets are way cheaper. Right now I take 2 a day, if I was to try 10,000 UI I’d need a new bottle every 9 days 
[quote]Rek wrote:
I read that the tablets are useless and you need to take the liquid form. Anyone have any information on that? Is it true? I htink Shugs even mentioned it in the D article.
I pay $14 Canadian for 90 1,000 IU liquid pills (NOW brand) because they are the only non-tablet I can find. The tablets are way cheaper. Right now I take 2 a day, if I was to try 10,000 UI I’d need a new bottle every 9 days :)[/quote]
DUDE! the internet is your friend.
vitaminlifehealth.com/Vitamin-D3-5000-IU-120-Gels/M/B001H1IK26.htm
5000 IU x 120 liquid gels = 60 days (2 months, unless there are 31 days in the specific month, but more if it’s like february) for $9.09, this search took me 2 minutes to find these. If you need a lesson, PM me.
V
Here is an even better deal. 360 X 5,000 IU for 14.95. You could not even buy dirt this cheap. Seriously go to home depot and buy a bag of potting dirt, I bet it’s more expensive. This is a 6 month supply at taking 10,000 per day for 14.95. $5 dollars a month! CHEAP! People better be taking these.
V
[quote]ZEB wrote:
brandon76 wrote:
With my Vitamin D3 supplementation I’m noticing a slight tingle on my right hand, about 1.78 inches on the bottom side of my pinky finger.
I highly doubt that the vitamin D is causing this tingling. However excessive amounts vitamin B6, in the neighborhood of 100mg depending on your bodyweight, can cause tingling in the hands and arms.
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Thanks Zeb…all seriousness aside,
I was just being a smart ass.
Thanks for caring though!
Thanks Vegita. I’m going to look into that.
Is there proof that liquid Vitamin D3 is better than the tablets?
[quote]exskinnybones wrote:
Thanks Vegita. I’m going to look into that.
Is there proof that liquid Vitamin D3 is better than the tablets?[/quote]
Proof is a strong word, I would say many professionals have good evidence that it is absorbed better. Saying all that though, I get all my vitamins and minerals, or at least any that I can in liquid gel form. I just feel better about taking them. I can imagine the liquid dispersing along my small intestine and getting sucked up by my body. It’s not mich if any more expensive so I say if you can get liquid gels.
V