I bumped up my intake to 4000iu following some research, including this excellent thread. My reason was mood, energy levels and libido. I have to say it’s only 2 weeks but I feel much more energetic. That’s despite 2 weeks into the Ultimate Diet 2.0 with its low carb/calorie days and depletion workouts and additional cardio. I noted Bill’s recommendation of up tp 5000iu for fat loss so reckon my tactics win win.
Don’t forget your magnesium!
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
I bumped up my intake to 4000iu following some research, including this excellent thread. My reason was mood, energy levels and libido. I have to say it’s only 2 weeks but I feel much more energetic. That’s despite 2 weeks into the Ultimate Diet 2.0 with its low carb/calorie days and depletion workouts and additional cardio. I noted Bill’s recommendation of up tp 5000iu for fat loss so reckon my tactics win win.[/quote]
Yea I’m going 5000iu per day and am loving it. Has anybody bought an at-home test for their vit-d levels?
[quote]Alex Stoddard wrote:
Don’t forget your magnesium![/quote]
Interesting. Might be a good idea to have blood level of Mg checked along with D.
[quote]Hog Ear wrote:
[quote]Alex Stoddard wrote:
Don’t forget your magnesium![/quote]
Interesting. Might be a good idea to have blood level of Mg checked along with D. [/quote]
From the article:
“4)The underlying magnesium deficiency not being found because testing for magnesium levels is not useful in determining need for the nutrient”
Apparently, serum magnesium levels are useless for identifying a deficiency (this is why most often, the doc will say, your levels are fine). You need Intracellular levels measured, as this will show what your mag stores are in the body!
http://www.wellprovitamins.com/Spectracell_Vitamin_Test.html
Any thoughts on this test, Bill? Anyone?
Hogwash? Good idea?
Do all Vitamin D gelcaps have soybean oil in them? If so how much is in a 5000 I.U. cap?
Do all Vit. D gel caps have soy bean oil in them? If so how much would be in a 5000 iu CAP?
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
Do all Vit. D gel caps have soy bean oil in them? If so how much would be in a 5000 iu CAP?[/quote]
I’m using a liquid D that contains olive oil.
[quote]Hog Ear wrote:
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
Do all Vit. D gel caps have soy bean oil in them? If so how much would be in a 5000 iu CAP?[/quote]
I’m using a liquid D that contains olive oil. [/quote]
Same, I think olive oil is a much better choice.
Hey,
What do you guys think about this link? It lists 14 reasons why we shouldn’t supplement with vitamin D. This goes against what a lot of other people are saying.
http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/15/vitamind/
Cheers
That is a large number of claims and there are many supposedly-proving-the-point references given for each. It would take a great deal of effort to give a full treatment to each of these.
I really just can’t go through 138 of these.
Can you pick perhaps one, two, or at most three of the references that sound the most plausibly of concern to you and we can leave the question at whether those are or are not real problems?
It’s interesting that vitamin D is fat soluble… What did people do in the old days? Work in the sun during the winter and start trying to pack on some pounds to survive the long winter. And during the winter when food was scarce, your body burned the fat and released the stored vitamin D. Providing a steady stream of vitamin D year long… even during the winter.
Bill,
It would be great if you could give your insight into these references under claim 7 that “Extra vitamin D does not reduce the risk of cancer”:
In relation to reference 91:
In 2006, D.L. Mager and team published a review article in the Journal of Translational Medicine called, “Bacteria and Cancer: Cause, or Cure?” According to Mager, “An overwhelming body of evidence has determined that relationships among certain bacteria and cancers exist.” In the paper, Mager details how research teams around the world have implicated Salmonella typhi in gallbladder cancer, Streptococcus bovis and E.coli in colon cancer, and Chlamydia pneumoniae in lung cancer. According to Mager, the mechanisms by which bacterial agents may induce carcinogenesis include “chronic infection, immune evasion, and immune suppression.”
Proal states:
This suggests that, just as in other chronic diseases, long-term supplementation with vitamin D slows the immune system and facilitates the proliferation of L-form bacteria, ultimately driving the progression of cancer. Over time, L-form bacteria release more cytokines into the tissues, resulting in elevated levels of inflammation.
In relation to reference 92:
“Everybody knows inflammation induces cancer”, stated Francesco Marincola, MD, Senior NIH Investigator, at a recent conference. But how? According to biomedical researcher Trevor Marshall, “Th1 inflammation feeds the initial proliferative stage of cancer. Without Th1 inflammation the cancer cells canâ??t get adhesion to the ‘healthy’ cells and tissues, and can’t become proliferative. Then, as the cancer starts to metastasize, the inflamed stem cells are critical in enabling the spread of the inflammation, and the metastasis of the cancer.”
Proal states:
But in the long run, L-form bacteria will take full advantage of the subjects’ weakened immune systems. The bacteria will increase in number and spread to new tissues and organs. Decades later, the subjects will display higher levels of inflammation and higher rates of cancer and/or other chronic diseases, because even consistent immunosupression with vitamin D will no longer sufficiently prevent so many L-form bacteria, both alive and dead, from releasing cytokines into the tissues. Consequently, researchers who follow their study participants for the longest periods of time are often the ones to claim that supplementation with vitamin D offers no benefit when it comes to fighting the cancer.
Cheers
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
[quote]Hog Ear wrote:
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
Do all Vit. D gel caps have soy bean oil in them? If so how much would be in a 5000 iu CAP?[/quote]
I’m using a liquid D that contains olive oil. [/quote]
Same, I think olive oil is a much better choice.[/quote]
What brand would that be?
I can’t take the Vit D w/ soy. Gives me wicked headaches…
So I’ve been getting killer head aches for about 5 days now. I’m fairly certain it’s from the Vitamind D I just started. I use the GNC brand and take 2/2000iu tabs. Today I took only one and my headache is 75% better. I think I’ve been taking too much. I didn’t feel anything the first week I took 2 a day, but then all of a sudden this past 5 days I’ve had a headache. I also take a multi with 650iu…so maybe that alone is enough? Maybe I was depleted and that’s why I didn’t notice at first and now my levels are up to par and I’m taking too much? IDK. Thoughts?
[quote]un33q wrote:
Bill,
It would be great if you could give your insight into these references under claim 7 that “Extra vitamin D does not reduce the risk of cancer”:
In relation to reference 91:
In 2006, D.L. Mager and team published a review article in the Journal of Translational Medicine called, “Bacteria and Cancer: Cause, or Cure?” According to Mager, “An overwhelming body of evidence has determined that relationships among certain bacteria and cancers exist.” In the paper, Mager details how research teams around the world have implicated Salmonella typhi in gallbladder cancer, Streptococcus bovis and E.coli in colon cancer, and Chlamydia pneumoniae in lung cancer. According to Mager, the mechanisms by which bacterial agents may induce carcinogenesis include “chronic infection, immune evasion, and immune suppression.”
Proal states:
This suggests that, just as in other chronic diseases, long-term supplementation with vitamin D slows the immune system and facilitates the proliferation of L-form bacteria, ultimately driving the progression of cancer. Over time, L-form bacteria release more cytokines into the tissues, resulting in elevated levels of inflammation.[/quote]
How does that “suggest” any of what is being claimed?
And since when are bacteria present in human tissues other than in frank disease states such as pneumonia, kidney infections, etc?
(An exception may be adverse effect on cardiovascular health from bacteria entering the bloodstream from gum problems. But I suppose there’s an exception to most rules that do hold in most situations: I wouldn’t want to say that there are never any exceptions.)
As for the “L-form bacteria” business, to me this reeks of fringe-type whack-jobbery. Blaming “L-form bacteria” for common human disease states not generally attributed to infection is really on the fringe. It certainly is not a generally accepted view in microbiology.
[quote]In relation to reference 92:
“Everybody knows inflammation induces cancer”, stated Francesco Marincola, MD, Senior NIH Investigator, at a recent conference. But how? According to biomedical researcher Trevor Marshall, “Th1 inflammation feeds the initial proliferative stage of cancer. Without Th1 inflammation the cancer cells canÃ???Ã??Ã?¢??t get adhesion to the ‘healthy’ cells and tissues, and can’t become proliferative. Then, as the cancer starts to metastasize, the inflamed stem cells are critical in enabling the spread of the inflammation, and the metastasis of the cancer.”
Proal states:
But in the long run, L-form bacteria will take full advantage of the subjects’ weakened immune systems. The bacteria will increase in number and spread to new tissues and organs. Decades later, the subjects will display higher levels of inflammation and higher rates of cancer and/or other chronic diseases, because even consistent immunosupression with vitamin D will no longer sufficiently prevent so many L-form bacteria, both alive and dead, from releasing cytokines into the tissues. Consequently, researchers who follow their study participants for the longest periods of time are often the ones to claim that supplementation with vitamin D offers no benefit when it comes to fighting the cancer.
Cheers
[/quote]
I think it is fair to say that nowhere here is evidence being provided, but only assertions that the claim supposedly follows. I believe one would find few, very few, doctors, microbiologists, or other scientists in medical fields who would agree that it does follow, and none that can provide actual evidence proving it correct.
[quote]Reign Supreme wrote:
So I’ve been getting killer head aches for about 5 days now. I’m fairly certain it’s from the Vitamind D I just started. I use the GNC brand and take 2/2000iu tabs. Today I took only one and my headache is 75% better. I think I’ve been taking too much. I didn’t feel anything the first week I took 2 a day, but then all of a sudden this past 5 days I’ve had a headache. I also take a multi with 650iu…so maybe that alone is enough? Maybe I was depleted and that’s why I didn’t notice at first and now my levels are up to par and I’m taking too much? IDK. Thoughts?[/quote]
It takes considerable time for blood levels of 25-OH Vit D to change much. There will not be a “light switch” sort of effect where modest levels of supplementation within days changes levels to something that is too high, or a single day of taking less likewise causes a sudden change.
Well IDK about that man. I didn’t take any this morning and walla, no headache. Yesterday I only took one = less headache.
For me anyways, it seems that too much causes headaches. It’s a common side affect if you read about taking too much of it.
[quote]Reign Supreme wrote:
Maybe I was depleted and that’s why I didn’t notice at first and now my levels are up to par and I’m taking too much? IDK. Thoughts?[/quote]
[quote]Reign Supreme wrote:
Well IDK about that man. I didn’t take any this morning and walla, no headache. Yesterday I only took one = less headache.
For me anyways, it seems that too much causes headaches. It’s a common side affect if you read about taking too much of it.[/quote]
“Most importantly, vitamin D requires and ‘uses up’ magnesium to convert from supplements or sun into its active form in the blood.”
I can’t prove that. But it turns out the “common side effect” is actually due to low magnesium, not too much vitamin D. Coincidentally, headaches are commonly associated with low magnesium.
Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water!