i know that its harder to get lose than subcataneous fat, so is there a better way to lose visceral fat? anything specialized that loses visceral before subcataneous? what are your thoughts guys?+
[quote]Papercut wrote:
i know that its harder to get lose than subcataneous fat, so is there a better way to lose visceral fat? anything specialized that loses visceral before subcataneous? what are your thoughts guys?+[/quote]
Do you understand that this “visceral fat” is the reason your organs are insulated (keeping you alive) and in an organized structure instead of simply being piles of smooth tissue lumped in your abdomen?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Papercut wrote:
i know that its harder to get lose than subcataneous fat, so is there a better way to lose visceral fat? anything specialized that loses visceral before subcataneous? what are your thoughts guys?+
Do you understand that this “visceral fat” is the reason your organs are insulated (keeping you alive) and in an organized structure instead of simply being piles of smooth tissue lumped in your abdomen? [/quote]
My question would be why would you want to lose visceral fat before subcutaneous anyways? Where’s the reason behind the question? X makes a good point though… you kinda need that visceral fat (to an extent) to survive.
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Viceral fat is bad news. Viceral fat is often times referred to as heart attack fat. Vicaral fat does insulate organs, but a very small ammount is required and this fat is supposed to all but dissapear as we age. A buildup of this fat is a marker for health risks such a diabetes, heart conditions etc… Your best bet to get rid of his fat is to diet. A low calorie diet causes your body to target this fat the most. But when you incorporate exercise you burn more white fat. So this case like all others shows that once again a good clean diet will save your life.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Viceral fat is bad news. Viceral fat is often times referred to as heart attack fat. Vicaral fat does insulate organs, but a very small ammount is required and this fat is supposed to all but dissapear as we age. A buildup of this fat is a marker for health risks such a diabetes, heart conditions etc… Your best bet to get rid of his fat is to diet. A low calorie diet causes your body to target this fat the most. But when you incorporate exercise you burn more white fat. So this case like all others shows that once again a good clean diet will save your life.[/quote]
Actually, visceral fat tends to increase as you age. This is why most statistical methods of body fat measuring show an increase of body fat percentage with age even if everything else remains constant. As far as why someone would want to lose visceral fat, it is understood that large amounts of intrabdominal fat can increase the risk of heart disease. However, exercise and a controlled diet can keep this from becoming an issue by managing weight. Some people tend to think of things as all bad or good, however, which is why I asked the question.
Attempting to target only visceral fat as if your overall body fat percentage is less important makes little sense. Keep your overall fatness in check, exercise and avoid smoking and other bad habits and the problem is greatly reduced.
Also, it needs to be understood that after the age of about 16, you are pretty much carrying all of the fat cells you will ever carry. They can not decrease in number (without liposuction) but they can empty out and flatten. Some exceptions to the number of overall cells might be EXTREME weight gain like some who gain over 100lbs of fat later in life due to psycho-emotional or health issues.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Actually, visceral fat tends to increase as you age. This is why most statistical methods of body fat measuring show an increase of body fat percentage with age even if everything else remains constant. As far as why someone would want to lose visceral fat, it is understood that large amounts of intrabdominal fat can increase the risk of heart disease. However, exercise and a controlled diet can keep this from becoming an issue by managing weight. Some people tend to think of things as all bad or good, however, which is why I asked the question. [/quote]
Viceral fat increases with age because all fat increases with age, this is simply a result of aging. However brown fat does decrease as you grow up from childhood to adulthood and adipose fat does the opposite, meaing as we age into adults it increases with age. It’s been proven in studies that when an individual is overweight brown fat does deposit and is the first fat tageted by your body during a diet regiment, adipose fat burns 75% faster with exercise added.
That depends. Some individuals can store huge ammounts of brown fat and has to be targeted asap to avoid health problems like you know… Death. This is again accomplished only through dieting, like all fat loss.
True more or less, but this is still a highly debated issue and not entirely understood. Some say fat cells can’t be burned up, only shrunken, others differ in that in due time they can be burned up if you maintain a low % of BF for long enough your body may change it’s set point and it’s undestood new state of homeostasis may rid you of some fat cells. This is sometimes evidenced by formerly fat individuals that years later do not gain weight easily later on. Meaning that it’s no longer easy for them to get fat again like it was when they first lost the weight. Time will tell on this one for sure.
Changing weight set points is not due to fat cells being lost or gained. This concept is why I believe in bulking up. I have found it much easier to gain more muscle in returning to a previously higher weight due to changing the body’s original weight set point. Your body searches out homeostasis. If you maintain any physiologic state long enough for your body to feel “comfortable” there, you have created a new set point.
Brown fat is actually seen in infants which supports an extremely high metabolic rate and amount of heat insulation p/ cell. The main differences being it’s high amount of mitochondria, interconnection via gap junctions, multicellular adipose vs unicellular, and extremely high vascularity. Most of this brown adipose gets shuttled before maturity. Just because it is a different color, which happens to be the unfavorable brown, doesn’t make it unhealthy. I’d venture to say… If we were holding brown adipose over white adipose, we wouldn’t be able to eat enough food to stay alive as our metabolisms would be sky high.
well i am not concerned with losing visceral fat before sub. I just asked because I have no idea if i have alot of visceral or not. I play football in college im 21, 6’1 310 defensive tackle… The reason i asked this is because i’m not like a fat lard, but i have a big stomach when i push it out, like lets say when i am benching, squatting, etc. My stomach gets really freaking big when i push out on it, but its like solid, and obviously it’s not all abdomen, so it got me to thinking, maybe i had alot of visceral fat… i dont know i mean im not an expert in this stuff, so what does it sound like to you prof. x, or anyone else?
[quote]Papercut wrote:
well i am not concerned with losing visceral fat before sub. I just asked because I have no idea if i have alot of visceral or not. I play football in college im 21, 6’1 310 defensive tackle… The reason i asked this is because i’m not like a fat lard, but i have a big stomach when i push it out, like lets say when i am benching, squatting, etc. My stomach gets really freaking big when i push out on it, but its like solid, and obviously it’s not all abdomen, so it got me to thinking, maybe i had alot of visceral fat… i dont know i mean im not an expert in this stuff, so what does it sound like to you prof. x, or anyone else?[/quote]
You are a big guy with a large gut who plays football. That is what it sounds like. There are tons of guys like you. I don’t think visceral fat is your primary issue and your weight is obviously going to be based on what is needed in your position on the team. I am not sure what you expected to hear. What is your body fat percentage? Do you have high blood pressure? What made you think about this in the first place?
my body fat is around 18%, i said the reason i thought that is because when i’m standing my stomach is not big at all… i do not have a big stomach, unless i am pushing out on it, thats why i wondered if maybe there was alot of visceral fat thats all, i mean i am not like trying to make up a weight loss program to lose visceral fat, i am just inquiring because i dont know much about it
[quote]Papercut wrote:
my body fat is around 18%, i said the reason i thought that is because when i’m standing my stomach is not big at all… i do not have a big stomach, unless i am pushing out on it, thats why i wondered if maybe there was alot of visceral fat thats all, i mean i am not like trying to make up a weight loss program to lose visceral fat, i am just inquiring because i dont know much about it[/quote]
Well, most people’s stomachs can push out pretty far. You are a BIG guy so naturally, yours would be more noticeable than most. I do have to say that at 18%, that is pretty damn impressive so I wouldn’t fall into some sort of complex just because your stomach sticks out when you do squats.
Everyone’s stomach does that. Have you seen Ronnie Coleman’s stomach when he squats or deadlifts? You naturally increase internal pressure during a lift like that. Also realize that 18% on someone who is 310lbs is about 56lbs of body fat. That doesn’t make you “fat” but it does mean you carry more than someone much smaller would at the same body fat percentage. You are a big guy. That’s life, man.
thanks for the chat 