Vick Indicted!

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
dre wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
He can keep his image if he gets the Georgia fans behind him, and tries to persuade people these are things he did back in 2001 when he didn’t know any better. By time 2003 came he just gave money to his friends.

Are you kidding me? When he didn’t know any better? You are telling me that he didn’t know that dog fighting was illegal in 2001? Or having losing dogs killed in very inhumane ways was wrong? That is a very weak argument man.

Where did I say what he knows and don’t know? Please tell me. I specifically said things he can do to keep his image. Since we are discussing if he goes down, and how does he keep his image. As a star athlete whose money also comes from sponsors, he can’t just come out and say “hey I didn’t convicted its over” he has to create a spin and work on making his image better. Outside of the backwoods this is the way the world works.

Airtruth wrote:
Plus they have a lot to prove. When you have a millionaire who has nothing but broke friends, its hard to prove that he wasn’t just giving his friends money versus conspiracy. Theres not much evidence proving he was ever around.

I’m sure there is plenty of evidence proving that not only was he around but that he was a major player. I’ll bet the feds have a ton of evidence on him.

You can be sure of whatever you want to be sure of. As I see it you have stated no factual evidence just what your “sure of”… to think you might be on a jury one day. The only thing any article has said is that he bought the house and that he gave the guys money. Thats why they are trying to get him on COOONNNNSSSPIRACY charges, meaning he doesn’t have to be there. Easier to convict when you have no HARD evidence of connection.

Airtruth wrote:
Many NFL players have houses they don’t live in so buying a house isn’t direct proof. The only thing that can get him is if he has animal lovers on his jury, they are fanatics and will convict soon as they see the first picture of a gruesome dog.

Yup, having animal lovers on the jury is the only thing that can get him convicted… it has nothing to do with say… EVIDENCE!

Definitely not with you since you haven’t stated any…I know you kiss your dog on the lips.

Airtruth wrote:
I’ve heard of dogs being killed in worse ways when it comes to dog fighting.

Well, I guess that makes everything he allegedly did not so bad huh?

WTF? are you over there crying or something? that was in response to somebody saying what he did was horrible. Yeah the ways he did it was bad, and I was pointing out to that person it only gets worse.

I know that you are mostly a troll who likes to stir sh*t up so I don’t really expect a solid rebuttal from you. And honestly, I can’t believe I replied to one of your posts.

I must be really bored at work today.

…Here we go with this “Know” shit again. I’m sure glad this world doesn’t live off of your “knows” and “sure ofs”.
Hilarious stir up shit? Why because I say the truth? You must be an animal lover because you read everything I said like a personal attack instead of looking at the facts or evidence. It’s cool though I support PETA, should I send my donation to you?
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All I have to say is Touche’. Looking back at my post, it looks like I’m the one who likes to stir sh*t up.

I will accept your donation though.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I just wonder if it is true or if these witnesses are making up shit against Vick to avoid jail time.[/quote]

Exactly.

I wouldn’t find it hard to believe that he’s a sociopath.

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[quote]emdawgz1 wrote:
Federal Prosecutors have a 95% conviction rate. This is because they dont indict without enough evidence to convict. This is different from local prosecutors.[/quote]

Wrong. They have such a high conviction rate because they have unlimited resources and judges who will sentence you to 10 times more prison if you go to trial.

Unless you have at least $100,000, you will have your ass handed to you in federal court. Even with a great lawyer, if you go to trial and lose, you will get a very long prison sentence - much longer than what would have been offered to you pre-trial.

Which is why so many people accept plea bargains - thus artificially inflating the conviction rate.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:

I wouldn’t find it hard to believe that he’s a sociopath. [/quote]

You know, many cereal killers started with Coco Puffs, I mean, by killing animals in cruel ways. If he did do what he’s accused of in the ways he allegedly did it, that statment isn’t far off the mark.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:

I wouldn’t find it hard to believe that he’s a sociopath.

You know, many cereal killers started with Coco Puffs, I mean, by killing animals in cruel ways. If he did do what he’s accused of in the ways he allegedly did it, that statment isn’t far off the mark.[/quote]

Even in the dog fighting circles they have fears of dog executioners, because they all say that if you can kill a dog that easy you can kill a person.

They don’t have vick doing any of the killing though so being a sociopath will have to be proved elsewhere.

The one witness on 60 minutes or something like that said he saw Vick at a fight way back in 2001, but nobody else at that fight seemed to have seen him. Plus they are not going after him for that fight. So far all I’ve seen is the traveling act and conspiracy… paying money, owning the location.

Unless they can prove he made money I’m sure his lawyers will argue why would this man participate in dog fighting. If its a sport he loves, then isn’t it odd he never been to a fight. He’s not making money off it. He wears the shirts BadNewz because thats what all the young urban kids call Newport news VA.

They had more evidence in the Duke Case then they do in Vicks. At least in that case the athletes were in the same house with the strippers.

A better question is, is the NFL going to suspend him and when? I know pacman is sitting home pissed off every day Vick gets to play.

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well , i don’t know if this has been posted yet, but supposedly there are 4 witnesses against vick. Unlike the Duke lacrosse case, where it was the victim only, these 4 witnesses are probaly credible. I believe one of them went on espn and basically said “vick was the ringleader”. ESpn backed up the source by saying he lead to many arrests, and warrants.

Now, as for Vick’s defense team, i’m not sure how they’ll get out of this one. Plus, the idictment is quite detailed, moreso than a normal one. It is true the feds can idict a ham sandwhich, but this time they have FOUR witnesses. Good luck to Mike Vick b/c he’s going to jail.

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Reports are that Vick had his chance to fess up to Goodell in a private meeting. Vick denied knowledge at the time. Now there is an indictment.

Regardless of what happens in the courtroom, Vick’s bringing of more “thug shame” to the NFL and lack of honesty with new zero-tolerance sheriff Goodell is going to cost him.

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He’ll get off. Why? Because I’m sure Jesse “I don’t have a job, I just whine and spit out nasty black supremacist statements on TV” Jackson will lobby on his behalf.

Vick is scum, but I kind of doubt he was directly involved. I’m not a fan of the guy, but I’m just skeptical of the indictment, that’s all. The media rushed it out there so quick the ink isn’t even dry yet. I’ll wait and see, like everybody else.

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[quote]Xylene wrote:
Vic will get a top tier, high-priced lawyer and only one of three things will happen:
(1)Charges dropped
(2)Go to trial Found not guilty
(3)Found guilty get a “slap on the wrist” with a fine.

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Agreed…Then enter Roger Goddell(NFL commish). It will be interesting to see what punishment he hands out. I also think that Arthur Blank and the rest of the Falcons execs may be looking at the fine print on Mike’s contract for some sort of loophole.

Arthur seems like a reasonable owner/businessman and will wait for the outcome of all this, but if it seems like it will hurt his bottom line, I do believe we will have seen the end of Mike Vick in a Falcons uniform. And that may be a good thing.

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[quote]BLACKSMITH wrote:

Arthur seems like a reasonable owner/businessman and will wait for the outcome of all this, but if it seems like it will hurt his bottom line, I do believe we will have seen the end of Mike Vick in a Falcons uniform. And that may be a good thing.

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I’m sure he’d receive a welcome in Baltimore or Cincinnati!

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[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
oldcrabbybastard wrote:
not as sick as that avatar that you have.

Are you teaming up with LL Cool J for a chap stick commercial or what?

you had a funny, if lame comment. It is unfortunate so many people are too ashamed of themselves to post real pictures.

You are either projecting a fake persona or are a weak minded individual scared of others opinions.

Either way, dog fighting is sick. Hopefully, Vick is convicted. [/quote]

No fake persona and its not your opinions that scare me…its your face. Just wondering why someone would post a picture of themselves offering their lips up on a website mainly for dudes.

I bet they dig up a lot of dog bones on that property.

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[quote]TriednTrue wrote:
Sickeningly, high-level celebrities usually get away with anything or almost anything they please. Odds are that Vick, IF he’s even found guilty, will receive no punishment worthy of mention. He will then continue to generate and receive large amounts of money for the entertainment industries that he ultimately works for.

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I agree with this. It seems celebrities get such a reduced penalty (if any), and then it’s no big deal later in their career. That’s what happened to Paris Hilton and Martha Stewart. If it was an ordinary citizen, the penalty would have been much harsher, which is actually the standard penalty and not the reduced penalty.

Does anyone know what the legal penalty is for this activity if he is found guilty?

I’m going against the grain of everyone else, but I’m gonna give Vick the benefit of the doubt. Even though there is tremendous evidence linking him to this activity, I say he’s innocent until proven guilty, and should focus on winning football games for the Falcons.

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[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
TriednTrue wrote:
Sickeningly, high-level celebrities usually get away with anything or almost anything they please. Odds are that Vick, IF he’s even found guilty, will receive no punishment worthy of mention. He will then continue to generate and receive large amounts of money for the entertainment industries that he ultimately works for.

I agree with this. It seems celebrities get such a reduced penalty (if any), and then it’s no big deal later in their career. That’s what happened to Paris Hilton and Martha Stewart. If it was an ordinary citizen, the penalty would have been much harsher, which is actually the standard penalty and not the reduced penalty.

Does anyone know what the legal penalty is for this activity if he is found guilty?

I’m going against the grain of everyone else, but I’m gonna give Vick the benefit of the doubt. Even though there is tremendous evidence linking him to this activity, I say he’s innocent until proven guilty, and should focus on winning football games for the Falcons.[/quote]

It seems to be sports celebrities get reduced penalties.Paris Hilton did not get a reduced penatly. Yes, i know, the judge sentenced her to X amt of days and she served far less than that. However, if you compare her sentence to those of the same offense, the judge “over” sentenced her. In that senses i think she got a bad deal.(Paris got special treatment in the jail so i still despise her).

I still agree though, the richer you are, the better off justice serves you. Yet in the time of need, it is the poor that rise up and do what is needed. Wheres the justice in that?

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[quote]gatesoftanhauser wrote:
BLACKSMITH wrote:

Arthur seems like a reasonable owner/businessman and will wait for the outcome of all this, but if it seems like it will hurt his bottom line, I do believe we will have seen the end of Mike Vick in a Falcons uniform. And that may be a good thing.

I’m sure he’d receive a welcome in Baltimore or Cincinnati!

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Cinci doesn’t want him. They have a great QB and too many guys getting arrested already.

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[quote]zooropa1150 wrote:
tmoney1 wrote:
TriednTrue wrote:

I still agree though, the richer you are, the better off justice serves you. Yet in the time of need, it is the poor that rise up and do what is needed. Wheres the justice in that?
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I agree with that. Seems like justice is not being served. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.

BTW, sweet avatar. I saw your Blue Man Group avatar on the old site, but with the new site, and the bigger avatars, the resolution is much better, and looks sweet. Justice is served (at least in terms of your avatar lol).

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This is an interesting link which talks about the effects this will have or has already had on Vick’s endorsements.

What I found strange about this article was the mention of Russell Simmons, Al Sharpton, and the lady from PETA all telling people to distance themselves from Vick.

That seems like a strange threesome, not so much for the PETA lady, which is to be expected, but because of Sharpton.

I figure he would be emphasizing more the innocent until proven guilty angle so I wonder what is going on with him.

I also wonder why Russell Simmons has taken a public stance on this issue.

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I found this one interesting because it is saying that vick had the house built as an after thought to having the dog pen’s built.

If this is true then he is really fucked.

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[quote]MikeShank wrote:

This is an interesting link which talks about the effects this will have or has already had on Vick’s endorsements.

What I found strange about this article was the mention of Russell Simmons, Al Sharpton, and the lady from PETA all telling people to distance themselves from Vick.

That seems like a strange threesome, not so much for the PETA lady, which is to be expected, but because of Sharpton.

I figure he would be emphasizing more the innocent until proven guilty angle so I wonder what is going on with him.

I also wonder why Russell Simmons has taken a public stance on this issue.[/quote]

My opinion on why Russell Simmons, or anyone else for that matter, take a public stance on something like this, is so that they can keep their names out there. This way they make sure that people don’t “forget” about them.

That’s really the only reason I can think of.

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Oh man, I hope he gets what he should.

As everyone has said, even if he didn’t have anything to do with this, he never should have gotten this close to the situation.

Sadly, he looks guilty as shit. Sells his home for 50% of market price weeks after they start finding dead dogs? Sounds awfully fishy to me.

I mean really, who could hang a dog? Or drown one? It’s one thing to have a dogfight, but to kill them afterwards in that fashion is just sick. I really hope he never plays again, that would be far better than jail IMO.

Monopoly

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
gatesoftanhauser wrote:
BLACKSMITH wrote:

Arthur seems like a reasonable owner/businessman and will wait for the outcome of all this, but if it seems like it will hurt his bottom line, I do believe we will have seen the end of Mike Vick in a Falcons uniform. And that may be a good thing.

I’m sure he’d receive a welcome in Baltimore or Cincinnati!

Cinci doesn’t want him. They have a great QB and too many guys getting arrested already.[/quote]

LOL! True to that statement! Who hasn’t been arrested on the Bengals roster?!

But seriously, Kobe Bryant (rape charge) was forgiven by fans and media and someone mentioned Ray Lewis (2 men murdered), he was also forgiven by fans and media. And dare I say it, even Mike Tyson (too many charges to list) has been forgiven in many circles. We simply must wait for the outcome and go from there. If he’s found innocent, in time, the same would and should happen to Mike Vick.

On a side note…Is it me, or does it seem like because animals are involved, there is more furor to his case? With the Ray Lewis case, again, 2 MEN were stabbed to death, I don’t recall seeing this much venom nationally. The crime he’s charged with is terrible, don’t get me wrong, but are some putting cruel acts to animals above cruel acts to people?