I was responding to Californiagrowns childish notion that…
It’s the same decades-old, long-debunked idea that opposing Democrat efforts at gun control makes you a monster at worst or a complacent sociopath at best.
Why don’t we have armed guards in schools? Because of hyper-emotional Democrats who insist that gun control is the only viable solution, all without a shred of evidence to back that notion up.
Meanwhile we have a clear-as-day example of real-world, practical management of inevitable violence that I can assure you no Democrat will draw any attention to whatsoever.
Here’s a list of U.S. “mass shootings.” Not all of them happen in schools. You can even look at details and summaries of each(every one I clicked on, anyway) incident.
No one thinks good guys shouldn’t have guns. But lots of people do think we should make legal access to guns much more difficult for bad people and idiots.
Didn Cali just have a mass shooting at a church? NY just had buffalo. So you get the shootings without the freedom in some states.
I moved to SC from NY and here they protect schools. Every school has armed officers on site. Any fair, event or large gathering has armed officers. Also everyone carries. Almost every church has their own security volunteers who train and carry at mass. Its not perfect and a determined person will still do some damage, but i promise you they do way more in red states to protect children.
About 365 school districts in Texas allow staff to carry firearms on school premises. They represent about 36% of the 1,023 independent school districts in Texas.
We shouldnt have to but this is the reality. We cant pretend something isnt the way it is just because we dont like it. Everything we value in society is guarded with guns. I wish it was like my school days, but like my father said, “wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up first.”
There are a lot of problems here, aside from just the failures of the Incident Commander in this incident. The Corporate media in this country obviously hate the police, and the feeding frenzy has begun. It does seem that at least a few officers failed in their duty.
In order to inform the members here that might actually be interested in the truth, here is what seems to be the most accurate timeline we have right now:
11:27 a.m., Tuesday: A teacher propped open an exterior door of Robb Elementary, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety.
11:28 a.m.: Uvalde Police received first reports of a crashed vehicle and a man with a backpack, some form of body armor and armed with a rifle.
The suspect, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, jumped out of the passenger side of the vehicle and walked toward a funeral home across the street from the wreck, where he fired shots toward two people in the parking lot of the funeral home, who ran away uninjured.
11:31 a.m.: Ramos begins firing into classrooms while walking down the street toward the school, as responding officers drive by the suspect while responding to the reports of the crashed vehicle and man with a gun near the funeral home.Ramos then climbed a fence into the school parking lot and continued firing rounds at the school.
11:33 a.m.: Ramos walked into the school through the door that was propped open.DPS officials said previous statements that a school resource officer confronting the suspect before entering the school were not accurate—the school officer was “not on campus” that day, according to DPS Director Steve McGraw, though the school’s officer responded after hearing 911 calls.
Ramos walked through several hallways before entering classrooms 111 and 112, firing at least 100 rounds, within minutes of entering the school.
11:35 a.m.: The first three Uvalde police officers on the scene enter the school through the same door Ramos used, followed by another four officers.
Two of the seven officers received graze wounds from Ramos firing toward them from inside a locked classroom.
11:37 a.m. to 11:44 a.m.: Ramos fires at least 16 additional rounds.
11:43 a.m.: That’s when the school announced it was going on lockdown, local news outlet KSAT reports, which is the same time Uvalde Police posted on Facebook asking for people to avoid the area of the school due to a large police presence.
11:44 a.m.: Several law enforcement agencies arrive on the scene and attempt to make entry, but have to retreat when Ramos fires shots toward them.
Victor Escalon, South Texas regional director of DPS, said during a press conference Thursday afternoon that while making calls requesting tactical units and specialized equipment, officers were working to evacuate students and teachers, but Escalon did not address reports that some responding officers evacuated their own children first.
11:51 a.m.: A police sergeant and additional agents started to arrive on the scene.
12:03 p.m.: A 911 caller from inside room 112 whispers to the operator, “He’s in room 112,” while there were as many as 19 officers in the hallway of the school at the same time.
12:10 p.m.: The caller called back and said multiple people were dead.
12:15 p.m.: Members of BORTAC, an elite U.S. Border Patrol tactical team, arrive on the scene.
12:16 p.m.: The 911 caller called back again and said there were eight to nine students still alive inside room 112.
12:17 p.m.: Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District posts on its Facebook and Twitter accounts that there was an active shooter at the school.
12:19 p.m.: A person in room 111 called 911, but hung up after another student told her to hang up.
12:21 p.m.: The caller in room 111 called again, and three gunshots could be heard on the call.
12:21 p.m.: Shields and other protective gear for officers arrive on the scene, and law enforcement begin to move down the hallway—nearly an hour after Ramos entered the school.
12:47 p.m. A student in room 111 called 911 again and said, “Please send the police now.”
12:50 p.m.: Law enforcement breached the locked doors of the classrooms using keys obtained from a janitor, and killed the gunman, nearly an hour and a half after Ramos barricaded himself inside the classrooms.
Breaching doors is difficult and requires special equipment. Other forums I’m on people are arguing the merits of the Halligan Bar, which is a great tool, and every cop should have and know how to use one. But I’ve forced open quite a few doors, and it’s noisy, and you are all up in the doorway. Even with a rifle rated shield between you and the door you are going to be very vulnerable and very exposed to someone with a rifle on the other side of the door.
When I have to force the door on a welfare checkup, I feel very exposed, and I wear my body armor every time. Even if we’re 98% sure that it’s just Uncle Denny and his sugar done dropped again. You never know how someone is going to react to someone trying to break down their front door. I much prefer to climb in through a window, cause I can see what’s inside and illuminate myself and the interior before I go in.
Personal anecdotes aside, using the Janitor’s key seems like the absolute best solution in this case, even though it took a while. Kicking in the door blazing your .44 sounds good on the internet but in reality the classroom was already hardened and kicking it in is not possible. If the doors to the classrooms had been locked by the teacher before the killer got in, far fewer students would have been killed. It also seems like the principle, and the SRO should all have keys to allow access into the classroom.
It looks like the first, and worst failure was in communications. If 911 had recieved a call about a possible gunman in the area of the school there should be a way to alert the school so that they can at least lock classroom doors. The 911 system gets millions of bullshit calls a year, can’t go into hard lock down everytime a mosquito farts, but teachers could lock the hardened door to their classroom and continue teaching until enough info warrants a hard lockdown.
The teacher who propped open the exterior door to the school should be fired.
Do we have any information on the shooter’s method of acquiring more than 5 grand in weapons/ammo? The most easily explained answer is Credit Card, but that hasn’t been verified yet to my understanding.
I don’t think this was following protocols. When a school is in lockdown, the classroom doors are closed and locked and students are positioned away from the door or any windows. LEOs come in and find and stop the shooter. After the shooter has been stopped, either killed or cuffed, the police search the building to make sure it’s safe and only then are students allowed to exit the classrooms and school. You don’t evacuate kids while there is an active shooter on the premises. Had the police sought out the shooter first, they would have arrived at the room he was locked in and if they couldn’t breach the door they could have gotten the keys from someone, which they eventually did, a lot sooner. The custodian and principal would have had the key and possibly other teachers as well as it’s not uncommon for rooms to all use the same key. The office would have had spare keys too. Getting a key should not have taken more than two minutes.