This is complete and graphic bodycam footage of what seems to be a clearly unjustified shooting of a black woman by a white police officer on July 6th. I watched the complete video and I didn’t perceive anything threatening from her behavior.
There’s no ambiguity I could discern. The officer snapped into what I would call psychotic behavior. The entire situation is terrible and the footage is very disturbing. The officer has been fired and charged with first degree murder.
I have a feeling some riots are going to happen. Stay safe, everyone.
He should be put in genpop, and his past employers should be investigated and if his misconduct was covered up or swept under the rug at any point, then those cops should be fired and charged with falsifying records.
So before “their jobs are hard” comments begin, I would reiterate (as carryover from the Scottie Scheffler thread) this very notion is exactly why high levels of expectations and accountability should be expected from police officers.
Edit: In no way is this an expression of hatred for the police.
I can’t make out exactly what she said or anything, but she was “armed” with a pot of boiling water. And the officers could have left at any point(as far as I can tell). I don’t think any reasonable officer would have been in fear(I would clarify “from what I can see,” but the guy explained his actions by talking about the pot of water).
What notion? And this appears very different from the golfer incident. One looks like a murder, and the other looked like an officer arresting someone with money for something he would have arrested a normal person for doing.
They both come back to abuse of power at worst, incompetence leading to egregious undue consequence at best though I agree the shooting is a heavier consequence.
I’m not going to do the play dumb thing, the Scheffler case is no longer “appears as” but was officially fucked and dumb.
If you slow down the video at 10:38 you can barely see that she did throw the pot at him.
It was very strange all together.
If a person plays victim very very well, is it kinder to validate the communication and play predator, or kill them on the inside by taking away even that?
“You better not, I’ll shoot you in the fucken head”
I don’t know if the word rebuke even implies baptism. At first it seemed crazy. As usual, this can all be easily explained by demonic possession. I wonder if the tats are devil tats.
What about her though?
It does seem that she called them to kill her for preaching.
She says “I rebuke you in the name of jesus” to which he responds “you better fucking not…”
This changes things. She’s clearly distracted and has something wrong. The cops seem to understand this and are treating her as such.
Then she gets her hands on a boiling pot of water, and decides she’s going to exorcise the cop.
She’s possibly bipolar/schizoid.
I’ve been stabbed in the neck with a pencil like this. A girl didn’t like that I was answering questions in a British lit. class in high school. So she got up, sharpened her pencil, then stabbed me in the back of the neck as she walked back to her seat. Different circumstance, similar behavior.
And this woman pre-set the pot of water to boil.
Not saying anything that happened is right, but at the moment of realization of what was going down, the guy reverted to his level of training and did what he did.
Considering that she was seemingly complying with the officer’s request seconds prior to turn off the boiling water, her having a pot of boiling water in her hand and bringing it to the sink seems reasonable and expected to me.
She also ducked for cover and apologized before being shot, which is not the behavior of someone trying to cause death or great bodily harm. She looked like a woman who was terrified that a cop just threatened to shoot her in the face and then pointed a gun at her.
Did she even have the pot in her hands when she ducked? It looked like she set it down by the sink and only had potholders in her hand when the gun was pulled. Did she grab the pot when posturing up?.
They also didn’t need to be in her home in the first place, and could have simply left if they felt unsafe. They weren’t there to apprehend her, they were checking on a complaint.
I’m not seeing any justified use of force at all. Lethal force is justified in defense of self when there is an imminent threat of death or great bodily harm.
I could perceive no such threat in her actions that led up to the moment the cop says “I’ll shoot you in the face”.
“I rebuke you in the name of Jesus” isn’t a threat at all.
She was obviously not well, but also obviously not threatening them at all during the entire interaction until the gun got pulled.
These things happen at the speed of violence. Pretty damn instantly.
I can tell you this though, when a black woman rebukes me in the name of jesus, and has anything in her hands, its going down. I’ve avoided another stabbing and one shooting incident this very way.
You’re missing the nomenclature here, so at the risk of sounding racist, I’ll clarify- When a black woman starts talking Jesus, you’re about to get fucked up. Full stop. Thats it. Go time.
If he knew this, why didn’t he continue moving away until he was safe from the perceived lethal force in her hands that he told her to attend to?
This actually ties in with “stand your ground”, which removed duty to retreat before lethal force can be used. I agree with stand your ground in legal terms, but this would have been a case where retreating would have been the right move.
Duty to retreat was only required when it could be done in complete safety to yourself and those under the mantle of your protection, as was clearly possible in this situation.
You won’t find many people more sympathetic than I am to cops and anyone else who handles violence for a living, but this looks like a murder to me.
Lots of people have pointed out over the past several years that “Cops are trained to escalate violence, not de-escalate.”.
And they’re right for the most part.
And they are also trained to gather as much info as possible, every chance they get. Thats why they were still there investigating, casing the place to see if there was “anything else”.
I’m not a big fan of that either. I sat on my couch in the midst of a full blown STEMI while a cop basicaly tossed my house while yelling “where are the drugs?”, waking up my son, and pissing off my dog instead of offering me some oxygen. He waited until I was getting carted out before that afterthought occured.
Suffice to say, I get it. I’m not necessarily on the cops side here. I’m just saying, she did what she did, and so did he.
They’re trained to stop it. De-escalation is all BS. It only works when the person can be reasoned with. If someone is mentally ill, on drugs, throwing a tantrum, or is one of those people (you see lots of kids like this in schools) whose default mode is confrontational to any perceived slight, it won’t work. In short, both parties have to want things to de-escalate in order for it to work. I pull a knife on someone, he pulls out a gun. I don’t want to die and he doesn’t want to kill me. That’s de-escalation. It gives people who are at heart, rational, a way out.
If you’re back to believing dropping charges makes the whole case messed up, I’ll tell you that I am friends with a wealthy person who was arrested for DUI by another friend and was represented by the father of a third friend. It never went to trial, and was dropped-just wasn’t worth trying, and the arresting officer didn’t care one way or the other.
But what is shooting someone in the face who grabs a pot of water because you told her to?
For the record I have zero issue with police escalation of force when warranted, and I realize this was a one off incident where the officer is facing immediate penalties, so I don’t really have a gripe here. Other than the face shot. But not actions taken after.
For fun, at what point should an officer be held responsible for actions on the job, and at what point do we brush mistakes leading to significant consequences for others off as “their jobs are hard”?
. You don’t have to.