Sorry, I should have clarified:
I saw a bunch of news articles the other day saying that releasing this footage was ‘wrong’ and all other forms of disapproval. Something about the footage not being authorized for release or whatever.
Do you all @Bauber @marine77 (and others) feel it was wrong for this footage to be released, or do you think it is important information that the public needs for truthful news reporting?
No. It has to be shown AND framed in its proper context so we can learn, adjust and fix these issues.
These guys dropped the ball. No ifs, ands or buts.
I did a Podcast recently where we discussed this incident. I said “We make entry through any means necessary. We locate. Close with. Destroy.”
The “public,” however well intentioned, is still largely uninformed and reacting on emotion. We have to be coldly and objectively calculated in our resolve.
It should 100% be released. Government needs to be fully transparent when it fucks up. They are 100% funded by OUR money. We are their employers.
I was in this belief as well, I just wanted to cross-check myself.
Had this footage been released at the start, it would have been bad - but it could have been rectified much sooner… better than leaving us citizens to speculate IMO.
Not disagreeing. What worries me is letting uninformed, untrained and inexperienced people dictate future training / policy. Christ… The liberal rejects running my city, St Louis, wont let us wear our Tact shirts on patrol because they’re “intimidating.”
Every officer i know agrees these guys fucked up massively.
Ummmm that is pretty much what happens at every level of government and has for quite some time LOL.
Exactly… And we see the results 
Govt RARELY gets it right or actually functions efficiently.
Sadly this is a large side effect of what you get with uniformed voters and masses that are not educated to critically think.
And they screech about the “militarization” bullshit. These rejects are so clueless its border line mental illness yet they dictate our policy.
That should worry ANYBODY that’s not a political hack sack of shit
1000%. Courtesy of the scum media. Being a sanctimonious cretin is more important than fixing issues that make us uncomfortable.
It wasn’t supposed to be released to the public until next week. The families of the deceased were supposed to get to see it first this Sunday. That was the leak. I don’t think anyone is arguing it should have never been released.
I would bet the officers in the videos would have preferred it never got out… But otherwise, yes, lol.
Rubio, the guy with the daughter who was killed and who is now calling for gun control, didn’t look very determined to get to that classroom. Looked like a child his daughter’s age could have held him back, if that is even what the two touching his back are doing.
I agree… Every officer on site failed, including him. Are you going somewhere with this?
What do you propose ? Any first hand experience or training ? Military ? LEO ?
I don’t understand as a parent how you could just stand there with the cops doing nothing.
Are you asking what I propose to prevent school shootings? Or what I think went wrong here specifically and should have been done differently?
For now I’ll answer in a relatively general way… part of me thinks this example is, to an extent, an anomaly in terms of police response. This is the first time we’ve seen officers sit on their asses for an hour and a half after arriving on site and having a pretty clear opportunity to take out the shooter. The whole thing is really bizarre. So for that reason, I don’t necessarily think there is any legislation that would be appropriate, nothing that can be done via that route to prevent failures like this in the future.
I don’t know how well these men were trained as police officers, but I have read that at least a few of them were also combat vets. That’s disconcerting. Rubio, for example, was an Iraq War vet. AND he had a daughter in the classroom. And still did nothing… That’s fucking insane. I honestly just can’t wrap my mind around that one.
My understanding is that these officers probably knew how to handle the situation better than they did, but no one was willing to put themselves at risk, particularly given that the superiors involved did not ask them to. I think that the BIGGEST failure here seems to be a few very poor decisions from the people making the decisions.
This is not a policy issue, it’s not particularly a gun issue IMO, it’s a ‘the good guys with guns’ turned out to be not such good guys. At the very least, not heroes. Whether we should have expected them to be is, I guess, debatable. But I think many, many officers across the country would have performed better in this situation.
A lot of war veterans were P.O.G’s… No offense to POG btw.
My guess… Too much information = analyses paralysis. BUT… You NEVER err when kids are involved.
We wouldv’e annihilated that coward pos
That was a pretty big part of the narrative, I thought: the guy was going to save his daughter but was stopped. Looks like he was fine standing around.
Yeah. I can see how the rest of them did. They had nothing to gain and plenty to lose by going against everyone else. That guy seemed content to stand around while he had plenty to lose.
Of course, all of this is assuming I buy the whole thing. I’m happy to see our would-be, gun control-supporting loser hero exposed, though.
Agree with all of this.
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And btw, I do very much appreciate your perspective on all of this, given your background. I don’t have a law enforcement background, nor military. I fully recognize that my opinion carries less weight than those who have real world experience they can apply to this analysis. So I appreciate hearing what you have to say on it.
I don’t think you know anything about me, so I’ll share a short bio. I’ve lived in Texas my whole life, Dallas now. Went to school at SMU, and I currently own/run a sheet metal fabrication company. I’ve been in this line of work since my early 20s, I’m 38 now. And a competitive strongman for 9ish years.