He had a gun, I guess.
They helped, according to yours.
He should’ve shot it out with the police preventing him from doing so, then.
Had.
They reloaded his weapon or shot some kids for him?
With the gun they took from him?
I’m sure you guys are all wondering, what do the Uvalde cops do when they aren’t sitting around and circle-jerking? They are busy harassing people who are something they’re not-brave!
Such a reliable source.
Has her story been verified by anyone other than her? Any tangible proof? Happy to believe her, assuming she has more than her word to back up her story.
Have you not seen/read the numerous stories of the BRAVE Uvalde police tasing, handcuffing, etc. the parents of the children who were being slaughtered?
He is relaying a story told by one of the parents who had children at the school.
Who is your reliable source Fox News?
But you’re probably right she is making all this up because…
She probably doesn’t even have children.
This would be so out of character of the Uvalde police.
Are you referring to this particular youtube channel as the unreliable source, the woman herself, or the articles (like the Independent) that are shown in the video? Clearly a comedian’s youtube channel is not a reliable source, but this story is being reported alllllll over the place, including on Fox News. Google ‘uvalde angeli gomez’, and you can pick a source. Just about every major news outlet is reporting this.
It is certainly POSSIBLE that she’s just lying about this, for whatever reason, but I personally doubt it. What she’s saying is completely consistent with everything we’ve heard reported on the situation in general. So I’m inclined to believe it. I’m not sure what PROOF there could end up being that would confirm her story, other than I guess potential eye witness accounts.
I’m aware of the accounts people have shared of this, on that day. You didn’t answer any of my questions…
- Does she have anyone that corroborates her story?
- Does she have any tangible evidence?
I stated above:
I’ve explained multiple times I don’t watch the news, and I don’t have any particular love for Fox or Tucker Carlson for that matter. I don’t watch the news, therefore I do not watch Fox.
I haven’t said any of these things. I haven’t accused her of lying or misrepresentation in any form. I’ve literally only asked for evidence that validates her account. I don’t see why this is such a big deal.
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Was only commenting on the youtube channel as an unreliable source, but all reports should be looked at critically.
Do you believe every major news outlet about everything they report? (rhetorical)
I would say this is a bit inaccurate. What the Uvalde police did on the day of the shooting, particularly to the parents, has no justifiable reason. There is a difference between stopping someone from entering a police controlled zone with an active shooter, and police engaging in harrassment. This is all I’m getting at.
Again, as I said above, I’m willing to believe her, but you never know anyone’s motive for anything; I hope hers is to tell the truth about a corrupt police force - I’m just asking for evidence that corroborates her story. I think this is reasonable.
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No, but I trust some more than others. That’s why I suggested googling it yourself, to see if any of the outlets YOU trust are reporting it. I found several that I do trust. I also find a lot of local stations to be more trustworthy on certain things, and I came across plenty of those sorts of sources.
sure, I agree with this. But you don’t find that to be definitively INCONSISTENT with their behavior, right? It just didn’t come across as remotely far fetched to me. But again, I wasn’t just going to trust a youtube video, I looked into it more, and now I believe it to be an accurate report of what happened. I could certainly be wrong, that’s just my current position. Willing to change it if new, contradictory evidence is presented.
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It is consistent with what we’ve heard so far in the lense of a corrupt police force. Corruption is corruption and it has many forms.
It doesn’t come across far fetched to me either, which is specifically why I paused to ask for evidence.
You ever hit so many green lights in a row that you think something isn’t right? This is the kind of feeling her statement gives me is all.
The only difference between you and I in this statement is that I haven’t yet decided my position =)
Why?
Anything is possible. The sun may not rise tomorrow.
None that I’m currently aware of. Unlike the corroborating lies of the Uvalde police force.
Congrats! So where do you get your information from?
So do you believe her story or not?
So, should the parents just let their children to be slaughtered?
And this ceases to be a barrier when people’s children are being slaughtered and the police are essentially doing nothing. So it isn’t what you claim.
Thank you.
I listen to podcasts; if the issue isn’t important enough to show up on a podcast, it’s not important enough to learn about IMO. When these subjects come up, I’ll research what I find interesting and get a general feel for what the consensus is - and if there is no general consensus, I try not to form an opinion.
Pretty sure I answered this before but I don’t believe or disbelieve her story. If there’s no evidence to back it up, and no more evidence turns up, then I would say that I don’t believe it. This is the 21st century where your phone has 3-4 cameras, cars have cameras, hell - even your doorbell has a camera on it… To say you are being harrassed by police and not be able to provide evidence? It’s subjective to say the least.
As in the court of law, the burden of evidence lays on the accuser. Otherwise, I could say “Castoli has been harrassing me!”, the mods could look over your posting history and say “this sounds about right, he’s always disagreeing with Andrewgen_Receptors” and then ban you. Does this make it right? No… They need evidence, and so do I.
DISCLAIMER: just because I don’t believe her story doesn’t mean I will argue that it is fake, I just don’t have anything but her word for it - which doesn’t mean much to me.
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You really gotta work on consolidating your responses, dude.
I agree in semantics, but legally, this is what the police could claim.
The law doesn’t state “citizens cannot enter police cordoned zones unless officers aren’t doing enough, then it’s fine bro”.
because, by the nature of his occupation, he is telling jokes. I’m not suggesting that truth and legitimate news CAN’T come frome a comedian’s youtube channel. I’m simply saying that it won’t be a RELIABLE source of truth/news. I’m genuinely surprised you took any issue with that.
I seriously don’t know why you’re quibbling with me. I was already on your fucking side, and I said I believe this woman’s account. I mean goddamn. Can you not see that I’m trying to meet someone else in the middle and find some common ground with them?
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So the fact that your children are being killed doesn’t rise above this?
Does the law exist? Yes. Would i be willing to break the law in this case? Also yes. Either you’re being intentionally dense, or you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying. Either way, i think I’m done with this conversation.
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You are criticizing the wrong component.