You’d better have a hall pass!
I’m really not getting where you’re coming from here.
What I’m getting out of your responses is that a) the police acted appropriately, and as we should have expected them to, regarding how/how long they to enter the classroom, and b) they were ALSO acting appropriately by disallowing anyone from entering prior to them. We KNOW that between their initial arrival on the scene, and when they entered the classroom, multiple children were shot and killed. Is it indeed your take that there wasn’t a better way for this to have been handled? I’m giving you the opportunity to clarify, because what I said above is how you’re coming across, and if that’s NOT what you mean, you deserve an opportunity to correct me.
I do not know this. Do you have a source?
I’ve seen this timeline: Uvalde school shooting: A timeline of the massacre and police response | The Texas Tribune
yea… the source you just shared. are we reading the same thing?
unless you think the gunman was shooting dead bodies 50 minutes after police arrived, then yes, it’s safe to assume additional children were shot well after the police arrive.
I see four gunshots after 11:37(maybe after 11:44?).
ok. so, my claim was that multiple children were shot after the police arrived on scene, which was at 11:30. They were inside the school at 11:35. You see 4 gunshots after that.
Where is the disconnect here, my man? I’m not even sure what you’re arguing with at this point, it seems we both acknowledge that multiple gunshots were fired after the police got there. Which is exactly what I said in the first place. I guess the only thing you could be arguing here is that none of those 4 gunshots necessarily killed anyone? seems like a silly point to make.
EDIT: we ALSO know that, around noon, there were at least 8 surviving children in the classroom, because the child who called 911 said so. So, the police know there are survivors in the classroom, and AFTER that 911 call, they still did not enter the classroom. That was 45 minutes after they arrived. So they know 8+ kids are alive, AND we also know that, after the phone call, at least one more shot was fired.
Gunshots. Not children shot and killed. Which is what you said here:
It’s possible they were, but it seems much more likely that kids were killed with the initial 100+ shots.
At a door.
sure. we can pretend he was shooting at air, and not kids. DEFINITELY more likely. Maybe he saw a sign on the wall he didn’t like, and shot that.
You’re being intentionally obtuse, and I don’t engage with people who make bad faith arguments, which this clearly is. Later.
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I’m seeing people who normally disagree on everything agree on the same things here, except @NickViar. Dude, are you a PR rep for the Uvalde PD or something?
Also, I would question how “easy” it would be to fill (potentially) entire schools with teaching and administrative staff who are good at their jobs and have adequate firearm-handling abilities. I don’t know how many people are out there saying, “You know, I’ve always wanted to teach 3rd graders, but what’s holding me back is that I can’t carry a gun on me when I do.”
This is a fair assessment.
The guy shot over 100 times in a classroom and left survivors.
I’d be willing to up taxes to cover increased teacher wages who are willing to carry. I don’t think it should be required by any means, but certainly allowed as an option.
Many teachers are willing to die to protect their students, I think many more would be willing to kill/carry to protect them. They wouldn’t even all have to carry, just knowing that schools are no longer soft targets serves as a pretty good deterrent I would think.
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In the actual documents that those police officers received, when training for an active shooter in a school, stated that if you are unwilling to immediately enter the building to stop a shooter, then this job is not for you. Those cops knew what was expected of them and didn’t do it.
Source?
They did enter the building immediately, from what I’ve seen. I’m not sure whether they laid eyes on the guy. Perhaps shooting wildly in the direction of gunfire was the best option.
Edit:
That’s one of those things written by folks who have sat behind a desk for 25 years. It’s not something said by someone that may ever actually be in that position.
I don’t have the exact materials they received, but that’s what is taught.
Yes, this is what I’m saying .
Are you suggesting that the child who called 911 and said ‘there are 8 or 9 survivors in here’ was either a lie or simply incorrect?
How many actually survived? I think it was actually more than eight or nine.
My issue with your original post was this:
I responded:
Do we “KNOW” or do we think? We have information that at least one shot was fired at a door. Is it not possible that a few others were fired at structure or to try and trigger an engagement?
When we try to assign guilt to the police, we need to understand they all serve under chain of command.
I still maintain that any fault lies with the lead police officer on the scene. We have no idea how many rank and file officers were sitting on ready. They might have all been “willing”
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