When making a dynamic entry, you don’t stand in the doorway. And you don’t need to anyway in order to use a key as locks tend to be on the outer edge of doors.
Obviously, which is why using a key would slow it down.
Edit: It seems the shooter was not shooting at that point anyway, so what would be gained by going in without protection?
Saving the kids that were lying on the floor bleeding to death?
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Maybe. How many were still alive at that point?
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They had no way of knowing ahead of time, so not sure why this matters.
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If the answer is anything over zero, does it matter? Is 2 different from 6?
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I don’t know how many, but certainly some.
The first 911 call came in at 12:03 p.m. local time. McCraw said the girl whispered that she was in room 112. The call lasted one minute and 23 seconds.
The girl called back again at 12:10 and said multiple people were dead, he said. She called at 12:13, and again at 12:16 to say that eight or nine students were alive.
At 12:19, a second student called 911 from room 111, according to McCraw. The girl hung up when another student told her to, he said.
McCraw said that during a 911 call at 12:21, three shots could be heard in the background. An additional call came in at 12:36 but only lasted 21 seconds. The director said the first girl called 911 again and “was told to stay on the line and be very quiet.”
At approximately 12:43 and 12:47, the girl asked a 911 operator to “please send the police now,” McCraw said. Around that same time, the girl said she could hear the police next door.
In another call that came in at 12:50, shots could be heard. About a minute later, McCraw said the call got “very loud” and “sounds like the officers are moving children out of the room” could be heard.
Not that you’ve heard from the same people that pushed COVID.
No, but was it over zero?
Did those end up dying? Students did survive, but how many of those that ended up dead were alive at point?
They should have, and it is according to protocol, gone in sooner.
Yes. You already know this, I don’t know why you’re asking.
I actually have no idea. I haven’t seen that anywhere.
Only idiots have an expectation that the police will keep them safe. I expect police to collect revenue for their city, county, state. Thats it.
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I’d also expect investigation and deterrence.
However, I agree that
If you expect anyone to risk his life for you, you’re an idiot-especially when that person/s has less-than-first-hand knowledge of the situation. That is why more people should carry, and it’s why having a designated guy to carry is not a great idea(better than having no one armed, I suppose). A designated carry guy is the Shoot Me First guy. Expecting someone else to blindly enter a dangerous situation to possibly save you is idiotic.
If fewer mass shootings(I’m referring to school shootings and the like here-not gang crap with multiple deaths) are desired, facilities should be hardened and staff should be armed. I’m going to go ahead and say that staff not willing to carry and train can likely be easily replaced by people that are.
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Ah yes, so who does everyone call when their house is broken into?
Let’s say we have a parking garage from which many people have recently decided to jump to commit suicide. We decide we’re sick of that and decide to stop it.
The wall on top of the garage is 3.5 feet high.
We decide we’re going to have garage guards. And they’re supposed to run up and wrap themselves around anyone standing on the wall. Does that sound sensible?
Wouldn’t it make more sense to have a 10-foot wall and maybe some razor wire? Doesn’t it seem stupid to expect someone to take hold of people believed to be preparing to jump? The Designated Wrapper-Upper could knock an uncommitted attention-seeker off the wall. A jumper could take the Designated Wrapper-Upper with him(causing two deaths instead of one).
Police, to make a report for insurance purposes.
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How does calling the cops after youre robbed keep you safe?
The police will get to your house quicker if you tell the 911 operator that you have the perp held at gun point and it looks like he is about to attack you.
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I agree with this. My biggest issue is that they prevented parents from entering to save their own children. At a minimum, they shouldn’t HINDER you from protecting your own.
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How many of the kids that were killed could have been saved by their parents? Going back to my parking garage example: what if Distraught Mama decides she’s going to jump in hopes of catching her child who just threw himself off? I wouldn’t be surprised to see garage security stop her, even though it failed to stop Suicide Kid.
They were in a public school. Before we started homeschooling, we had to sign my kids out when we picked them up in the afternoon. They didn’t just release the kids. You give up some control of your kids when you send them to school.
When people start shooting at my kid, I regain that control or you are going to have to shoot me.