Using a Vaporizer and Training?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TwatFace wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Does anyone who didn’t put me on ignore have a link to the ‘marijuana lowers the risk of lung cancer’ claim?

I skimmed through a few previous weed threads and couldn’t find a link.

I’ve found a few studies that say THC decreases the size of lung cancer tumors, but they haven’t specified the administration method of the THC (except one I found injected THC).

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm[/quote]

Now, understand that all of this means further research is needed to see the real benefits here…research that won’t happen with weed being as hard to study without bias and without restricted oversight from law or government officials.

However, it is very clear that it is not the menace people have made it out to be.
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I tried to train in the past after weed but no good for me, I lose all internal aggression and I’m quite happy to be sedentary. I think people are the problem not drugs, I agree some drugs are totally devastating but if left alone or not even consumed to excess there are no problems. Weed is villified far too much and as a result this uneducated antidrugs approach from the public spreads and spreads BUT it’s ok to binge on alcohol. FACT did you know that there are Endocannabinoids and their receptors in the human body just like we have Endorphins and their receptors BUT we have no such receptors for alcohol oh no. What do you think this means to us and the plants that grow in nature? [/quote]

Agreed. They are finding that this plant actually works with our bodies in that sense and are just now finding the following:

Bottom line, a real scientific mind would see some real potential here to find out quite a bit and even help ourselves…but it can’t happen because old people are afraid of change…so society must wait a few hundred years until all of the scared people die off.[/quote]

I think this sort of thing happens in cycles. The older generation is afraid to change, while the younger generation keeps pushing for it. Eventually the older generation dies off or falls out of power and the change comes. Soon after the next generation rises up and challenges something that those in power don’t jive with and this whole thing repeats.

Sidenote: I wish I was a more eloquent speaker. =(

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[quote]Simon Adebisi wrote:
"Always that same LSD story, you’ve all seen it. ‘Young man on acid, thought he could fly, jumped out of a building. What a tragedy.’ What a dick! Fuck him, he?s an idiot. If he thought he could fly, why didn?t he take off on the ground first? Check it out. You don?t see ducks lined up to catch elevators to fly south?they fly from the ground, ya moron, quit ruining it for everybody. He?s a moron, he?s dead?good, we lost a moron, fuckin? celebrate.

Wow, I just felt the world get lighter. We lost a moron! I don?t mean to sound cold, or cruel, or vicious, but I am, so that?s the way it comes out. Professional help is being sought. How about a positive LSD story? Wouldn’t that be news-worthy, just the once? To base your decision on information rather than scare tactics and superstition and lies? I think it would be news-worthy. ‘Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we’re the imagination of ourselves’ . . . ‘Here’s Tom with the weather.’"
-Bill Hicks

Basically you can apply this quote to any other drug that is illegal and get the same result.
Nobody ever talks about the good aspects of these useful plants and chemicals.
Only the possible bad aspects.
Many of which are complete lies and fabrications.
Alcohol is the most abused and detrimental drug on this planet.
Fuck outta’ here with this “weed is dangerous” bullshit.
Try reading some shit about some other shit before you start talking shit about shit you heard from shitheads who don’t know shit.[/quote]

God bless Bill Hicks… RIP

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[quote]JCrisp91 wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:

A few hits from a joint is worse than any drink regardless of amount

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Don’t agree with this at all. [/quote]

Exactly.

edited : should have read the rest of the posts first

It’s not like were talking about entering a NASCAR race here. Weed doesnt affect my depth perception or my spacial orientation. Ive literally walked into a doorway wall before while drunk. And sad to say I drove home one night when I thought I wasnt drunk, it was the scariest 10 blocks Ive ever driven. Yes, I was too young and stupid to realize to stop and walk. Anyway, driving high on pot is nothing like driving drunk.

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I can’t help but drive extremely slow while high heh.

Happy to say I’ve never been stupid enough to drive drunk.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
I can’t help but drive extremely slow while high heh.

Happy to say I’ve never been stupid enough to drive drunk.[/quote]

I get like seriously, seething hateful when I drive sober and have a tough time controlling my road rage.

But when I’m high… I just kind of mosey along, no worries, haha.

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I absolutely love this topic. But, I do have a few pros and cons. Cannabis is a natural plant that actually does bind to cannabinoid receptors. So our bodies are almost naturally asking for it. Cannabis has never decreased my sex drive! I will say that it does decrease my stamina in the gym. But I mainly smoke cannabis, and that could be the cause of that. I get a little winded so to speak. But as far as cannabis being this evil drug that is worse than cigarettes and alcohol is complete B.S!!! We all know this. some of us chose not to accept this fact though.

The argument can go both ways. Cannabis MIGHT decrease your test levels, MIGHT. But one thing for sure, is that its gonna INCREASE your appetite!! Cannabis is also a NATURAL pain reliever. It could easily eliminate opiates such as morphine, vicoden, oxy contin and many others. I understand that there are different levels of pain, and do believe that some of those opiates are needed to treat severe pains. But truthfully, over 50% of people being pescribed these opiates would be much much better off with cannabis. Opiates are far more addictive. And thats saying that you believe cannabis is addictive, and I dont.

Anyway, back to the stamina issue. All these doctors or scientist doing “research” on cannabis dont even know, or have access to the right strains for these tests. Cannabis breaks down into indicas and sativas. both are very different from one another. Indicas are the downer, stoned type of high. Sativas give you the energetic, up high. Not only that, you need medicinal cannabis for these studies. Medicine grown by professionals. Not some dirt brick weed, or even cannabis grown by some doctor. They don’t know what they’re doing, though some might think they do. Cannabis is a very complex plant. The way you nurture it plays such a big role in the medicinal properties it will or should produce. You have to pick the plant at the right time for it to be at its medicinal peak.

Cannabis facts are dismissed by the U.S government because of the laws we have. The fact is crack/cocaine kills, meth kills, ALCOHOL kills, cigarettes kill, opiates kill, but cannabis HEALS!! And that’s a fact!! I have been a medicinal advocate for years. I don’t believe that cannabis should be sold to persons under 18 at some local gas station. I do believe that it has more medicinal properties than tylenol, I mean I KNOW it has more medicinal properties than tylenol. It has more medicinal properties than any pill ever known to man. That is the problem with cannabis, it’s a huge threat to the pharma industries, thus it’s a threat to the government and the money they receive from these big pharma corps.

Cannabis produces the strongest fibers, paper, medicine and even oils. Thats right, I said oils. We could seriously run cars off of cannabis oils. Not only that, but we tear down acres and acres of precious timber and destroy so much wildlife that takes decades to grow back. Cannabis is a annual plant. It reproduces every year.

It is ignorant for cannabis to be illegal on the level that its on. Also, the U.S is in so much debt, why havent we looked at making cannabis legal on the medicinal level throughout the whole country. Its the dumbest thing, really. Another thing, we could easily wipe out millions if not billions of dollars going to cartels that sell their crappy ditch weed.

I dont think smoking cannabis is the healthiest thing, but there are more ways than one to consume cannabis. Yes, vaporizing is better than smoking. You can also cook with your cannabis. I am a asthmatic, and smoking cannabis actually calms my breathing down! No lie!

I can go on forever, but I have gone far enough. Drugs kill, cannabis HEALS!!! Peace and Pot!!

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The comparison of driving high vs drunk is pretty stupid in my opinion.
Both leave you inebriated in some way.
You shouldn’t be driving if you have been smoking or drinking.
Smoking may make you meatballs feel like you are being safer by driving slower and “more carefully,” but you are just as dangerous to others because you are probably going slower than the speed limit and second guessing your decisions.
Both of which can end in a wreck.
Neither is safe.
One is not better than the other.
They can both end in a wreck.

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i’ve been smoking for a few years now and i find it comes down to a tolerance thing. if i’ve had a long lay off then drive, it’s doesn’t work that well, but can be done. the more i smoke the better the driving becomes. i really enjoy getting high on long drives. especially through the mountains. i’m relaxed, the scenery is great, and driving on those twisty roads is fun.

as for lifting and smoking, i’ve found my way. i work a schedule that has me off for two weeks at a time, but away for two weeks at a time, in the bush. being away is more detrimental to my lifting then smoking. still trying to figure it out. i think it’s starting to come though. anyway, when i’m home, i get up with the gf around 5:30-6, see her off. start making eggs, tea and the rest of breakfast. go hit the pipe. grab the bike and off for a nice ride to the gym. hour to hour and a half in the gym, then a nice ride back home (except that shitty really up hill portion at the beginning of the ride back). get home create a nice smoothie and while drinking it hit the pipe again. after that i eat whatever else i can get in, in the next couple hours as i just relax and recover. after that i hit the books.

and for all the people posting links and telling the facts, thank you. the more you know, the sooner we can grow.

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That same attitude can be used with booze.
A tolerance is also built.
I like weed.
I’m just saying that trying to find an argument to use it while operating a car just because you enjoy driving while high is ridiculous.
It’s just as unsafe as alcohol when cars are concerned.
And that kind of behavior is not helping it become less illegal.

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I turned into an invisible driveway while high… Granted i was only driving about 5mph. Not too dangerous i suppose. LOL

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]johnman18 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Also, it’s been my experience that most the marijuana smokers I’ve met don’t work for a living. May be something of a generalisation but there’s definitely a trend there.[/quote]

EVERY single pot smoker I know (at least a dozen) works for a living. What decade do you live in, doofus?
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I’m thinking about the guys I went to school with. Most the ones that got into regular dope smoking went on to become dole bludgers. A couple became schizophrenics and one of them committed suicide by jumping off a cliff. Didn’t really give me a good impression of marijuana.[/quote]

I’m willing to bet that your friend that jumped off a cliff was doing more than just smoking weed. And also I’m sure he had issues that would of been there even if he never smoked weed or did drugs ever. [/quote]

He wasn’t a friend just a guy in my year. From what I understand he had tried ecstacy and speed in high school but after high school just smoked marijuana. He smoked it every day and was completely insane by the age of 20 when he jumped off a cliff. Including him there were three heavy dope smokers in my year who developed schizophrenia. No one else in my year developed schizophrenia to my knowledge. There are a lot of studies that indicate a link between marijuana and schizophrenia. From my experience and these studies I’m inclined to believe the link exists.[/quote]

LOL.

Schizophrenia is largely hereditary.
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Huge lolz.

All we can really establish from this, Sexy machinery, is that you went to school with some losers and a guy who sounds like he had some real problems.

At least you culled your generalisations down.

It stared out with “most of the weed smokers I’ve met” to just “the guys I went to school with” and ended with just the ones you went to school with who “smoked it every day”.

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[quote]Bingbeast wrote:
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Obviously using a vaporizer is healthier for you than a joint because there’s no carcinogens, carbon monoxide, smoke etc… but are there still negative affects from it?

I take my sport seriously but i want to toke. I figure if you’re not damaging your lungs with the combustion of a dried bud, it shouldn’t really affect your condition or training capacity. or does it?![/quote]
How about you just do blow like an adult? What are you, in 7th grade?

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[quote]Simon Adebisi wrote:
The comparison of driving high vs drunk is pretty stupid in my opinion.
Both leave you inebriated in some way.
You shouldn’t be driving if you have been smoking or drinking.
Smoking may make you meatballs feel like you are being safer by driving slower and “more carefully,” but you are just as dangerous to others because you are probably going slower than the speed limit and second guessing your decisions.
Both of which can end in a wreck.
Neither is safe.
One is not better than the other.
They can both end in a wreck.[/quote]

Alcohol affects spacial orientation. Depth perception. Judgment of distance. Pot does none of that, for me. Alcohol also causes people to not know how impaired they actually are. I really wish there was video of people taking field sobriety tests high vs various levels of drunk.

I’ve hit an 85mph fastball after smoking. You think I dont possess the motor skills to drive a car? Please. And obviously that utterly non scietific example is not supposed to be the be all end off of this discussion, but it does say something significant.

Alcohol is exponentially worse, depending on how drunk you are.

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saying that both can end in a wreck is useless. thousands of sober people crash their cars every day. tons of things can ‘end in a wreck’. Causation vs correlation may work here.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

Alcohol affects spacial orientation. Depth perception. Judgment of distance. Pot does none of that, for me. Alcohol also causes people to not know how impaired they actually are. I really wish there was video of people taking field sobriety tests high vs various levels of drunk. [/quote]

Studies:

[quote]STUDY 1: DRIVING ON A RESTRICTED HIGHWAY

Methods

The first driving study was conducted on a highway closed to other traffic. The same twelve men and twelve women who participated in the laboratory study served again as the subjects. They were treated on separate occasions with marijuana cigarettes containing THC doses of 0 (placebo), 100, 200, and 300 g/kg. Treatments were administered double- blind and in a counterbalanced order. On each occasion, subjects performed a road-tracking test beginning 40 minutes after initiation of smoking and repeated one hour later. The test involved maintaining a constant speed at 90 km/h and a steady lateral position between the delineated boundaries of the traffic lane. Subjects drove 22 km on a primary highway and were accompanied by a licensed driving instructor. The primary dependent variable was the standard deviation of lateral position (sdlp), which has been shown to be both highly reliable and very sensitive to the influence of sedative medicinal drugs and alcohol. Other dependent variables were mean speed, and standard deviations of speed and steering wheel angle. Blood samples were taken 10 minutes before the driving tests (i.e. 30 and 90 minutes after initiation of smoking, respectively).

Results

All subjects were willing and able to finish the driving tests without great difficulty. Data from one male subject were excluded from the results because no drug was found in his plasma after smoking.[/quote]

[quote]STUDY 2: DRIVING ON A NORMAL HIGHWAY IN TRAFFIC

Methods

The second driving study was conducted on a highway in the presence of other traffic and involved both a road-tracking and a car-following test. A new group of sixteen subjects, equally comprised of men and women, participated in this study. A conservative approach was chosen in designing the present study in order to satisfy the strictest safety requirements. That is, the study was conducted according to an ascending dose series design where both active drug and placebo conditions were administered, double- blind, at each of three THC dose levels. THC doses were the same as those used in the previous study, namely 100, 200, and 300 g/kg. Cigarettes appeared identical at each level of treatment conditions. If any subject would have reacted in an unacceptable manner to a lower dose, he/she would not have been permitted to receive a higher dose.

The subjects began the car-following test 45 minutes after smoking. The test was performed on a 16 km segment of the highway and lasted about 15 minutes. After the conclusion of this test, subjects performed a 64-km road-tracking test on the same highway which lasted about 50 minutes. At the conclusion of this test, they participated again in the car-following test. Blood samples were taken both before the first and after the last driving test (i.e. 35 and 190 minutes after initiation of smoking, respectively).

The road-tracking test was the same as in the previous study except for its duration and the presence of other traffic. The car-following test involved attempting to match velocity with, and maintain a constant distance from a preceding vehicle as it executed a series of deceleration/acceleration maneuvers. The preceding vehicle’s speed would vary between 80 and 100 km/h and the subject was instructed to maintain a 50 m distance however the preceding vehicle’s speed might vary. The duration of one deceleration and acceleration maneuver was approximately 50 seconds and six to eight of these maneuvers were executed during one test, depending upon traffic density. The subject’s average reaction time to the movements of the preceding vehicle, mean distance and coefficient of variation of distance during maneuvers were taken as the dependent variables from this.

Results

All subjects were able to complete the series without suffering any untoward reaction while driving. Data from one female subject were excluded from the results because no drug was found in her plasma after smoking.[/quote]

Other conclusions…from U.S. Department of Transportation:

and

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

  • It is not possible to conclude anything about a driver’s impairment on the basis of his/her plasma concentrations of THC and THC-COOH determined in a single sample.[/quote]

Can you explain what this means? Im not sure I understand it.

Does it mean that a specific number representing the thc concetration in the blood isnt a good indicator of possible impairment for all people?

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

  • It is not possible to conclude anything about a driver’s impairment on the basis of his/her plasma concentrations of THC and THC-COOH determined in a single sample.[/quote]

Can you explain what this means? Im not sure I understand it.

Does it mean that a specific number representing the thc concetration in the blood isnt a good indicator of possible impairment for all people?
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Yes. It means that two people could be at the same level of concentration and that does NOT mean you can tell how someone will respond. That is why it is more difficult for anyone to hold the same driving standards for weed as with alcohol if it did become legal. For one, they are finding it does not seem to impair driving that much unless someone is literally at peak levels for whatever high they get.

In other words, they can’t do a blood test and get a specific number and conclude you are impaired because of that number…unlike alcohol where that number does usually mean impairment.

Marijuana is doomed because of the massive number of people who see it as a DRUG.

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If you enjoy it, do it. Just don’t over do it.

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[quote]Simon Adebisi wrote:
The comparison of driving high vs drunk is pretty stupid in my opinion.
Both leave you inebriated in some way.
You shouldn’t be driving if you have been smoking or drinking.
Smoking may make you meatballs feel like you are being safer by driving slower and “more carefully,” but you are just as dangerous to others because you are probably going slower than the speed limit and second guessing your decisions.
Both of which can end in a wreck.
Neither is safe.
One is not better than the other.
They can both end in a wreck.[/quote]

Lol, for the love of God, seriously please STFU if you’re still talking out of your ass (you ARE.)

And in case you “conveniently” missed it, please read what Prof X wrote.

You are an ignoramus trying to hold your own in a conversation you know nothing about, stop.

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Joe Rogan FTW

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2011, really hard to believe the stigma continues.

First I live in British Columbia, for a reason. I’m almost 54 and I have tried to smoke pot every day of my life, since I was sixteen. Now that I’m older and have more disposable income I smoke all day long. I work for a living and workout twice a day. One strength and conditioning the other cardio.

I call carp on every negative thing said about pot. Show the facts, and stop believing that stupid government propaganda.

The U.S. government does not have your best interests at heart. You don’t have enough money. There are enough documentaries out there that people should at least be asking more questions. I find it hard to believe people are still willing to believe everything they are told by those who wish to control them.

I find it hilarious that such a contraversal plant was not benn studied to death. That fact in it’s self speaks volumes about what they (the assholes) DON"T want us to know. I for one will not be lead around by the nose and be told what I may or may not do.

Every time I blase a fatty before a workout I think of all the morons out there. I for one am highly motivated by THC. I can hit speeds as high as 40kmh on my inline speed skates stoned to the nuts. I know it’s not for everyone, but it sure works for me.