Using a Vaporizer and Training?

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haha, kidding…

OP, get the volcano if you can swing it. Buy it used if you want - the thing’s pretty much indestructable from my experience (although, I haven’t had it too long) but also from what I hear (a lot of people in CA have one), almost no one’s ever had a problem with it.

If you’re just going to use it here and there, it’d be hard to justify spending that much on one, but for everyday use, it can’t be beat.

Also, you can hold the bag under your arm and squish the bag with the mouthpiece on your lips so it’s like taking a forced-air bong rip (which is even more awesome than what Xen was talking about before.)

Using a vaporizer is a much different high than smoking or eating edibles, too. I can only describe it as a ‘cleaner’ high, if that makes any sense.

As far as how it affects motivation and all that, I’m gonna have to say it does, IME. However, I think it’s the cumulative effect of smoking pot, not the acute aspect of it. Like others said, if I’m high I can get shit done, train, go grocery shopping and leave without 6 boxes of double-stuf oreos, etc…

The thing is effects most, I think, is school work, but like others said - I can’t say for sure it’s the pot that’s a causative factor because even before the first time I had ever smoked pot, writing a paper was like pulling teeth.

I also notice the ‘CNS’ thing if I smoke a lot of pot the night before, but I also think that has to do whether you smoke an indica or sativa, and IME, you need to smoke a lot of pot to get that ‘pot hangover’ as I call it.

Long story short, there are some pros and there are some cons, and there are ways to minimize the list of cons… it’s up to you whether you want to or not.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]kakno wrote:
Excuse me for this stupid question, but why is a vaporizer better than brownies? Better high per gram?[/quote]

Brownies require a lot more marijuana, take a lot more time to prepare and the high is also different. It also takes longer to become high. Also, If you’re a regular pothead do you really want to be eating 4-5 brownies a day?[/quote]

It has to do with inhalation and digestion. The alveoli of the lungs are much thinner than the walls of the intestines. There for absorption to the blood stream is quicker. It’s the same reason you would get drunk much quicker if you got sodomized with an open bottle of jack daniels than you would by simply drinking it.

I personally know over 100 guys who have smoked weed. I know of 2 in particular who smokes before brushing their teeth every morning. Neither of them are schizophrenic and one in particular has a decent job. The other one is just getting by. The weed doesn’t make them unmotivated throughout their lives, but the feeling of euphoria when they’re high gives them a sense of content no matter what the situation is.

I know US studies are bias, but there are places outside the US that have been studying that stuff for over a decade and there has been no medical breakthrough.

Personally i don’t know why anyone would want to smoke. I don’t even know why people drink to get drunk but honestly i don’t care. As long as you’re not hurting anyone else you should be able to leave your life however you please.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]angus_beef wrote:
… you would get drunk much quicker if you got sodomized with an open bottle of jack daniels than you would by simply drinking it.

. [/quote]

Actually, that would likely kill you. Alcohol (and nicotine) is extremely toxic.

BBB[/quote]

Moral of the story: Don’t blow smoke up anyone’s ass - you may kill them.

:slight_smile:

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Moral of the story: Don’t blow smoke up anyone’s ass - you may kill them.
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Lol! Loved the “meh” post too.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
One thing that IS most significant to me is the finding that marijuana actually DECREASES lung cancer risks.

Yes, a plant that decreases cancer is still enemy number one.

That’s fact, not opinion.[/quote]

Do you have a study for this?

I’ve seen the study that shows that THC decreases the size of tumors, but I don’t recall them being specific to lung cancer.

I’d also be careful of the wording - since most people associate ‘marijuana’ with ‘smoking marijuana’ I’d say it’s a bit misleading to say that ‘marijuana decreases the chance risk of lung cancer.’

It’s just more accurate to say that ingesting THC (whether it’s a vape or edibles) can decrease risk, because there’s just no way that smoking anything is good for your lungs, lol.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
One thing that IS most significant to me is the finding that marijuana actually DECREASES lung cancer risks.

Yes, a plant that decreases cancer is still enemy number one.

That’s fact, not opinion.[/quote]

Do you have a study for this?

I’ve seen the study that shows that THC decreases the size of tumors, but I don’t recall them being specific to lung cancer.

I’d also be careful of the wording - since most people associate ‘marijuana’ with ‘smoking marijuana’ I’d say it’s a bit misleading to say that ‘marijuana decreases the chance risk of lung cancer.’

It’s just more accurate to say that ingesting THC (whether it’s a vape or edibles) can decrease risk, because there’s just no way that smoking anything is good for your lungs, lol.[/quote]

I have posted that study many times before in the other weed threads and don’t feel like looking for it again. You can search those though.

I do that because my grandmother died of cancer and could not get access legally to a plant that would have helped her not suffer so fucking much.

I personally think anyone who wants weed to remain illegal has a screw loose.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

I’d also be careful of the wording - since most people associate ‘marijuana’ with ‘smoking marijuana’ I’d say it’s a bit misleading to say that ‘marijuana decreases the chance risk of lung cancer.’

It’s just more accurate to say that ingesting THC (whether it’s a vape or edibles) can decrease risk, because there’s just no way that smoking anything is good for your lungs, lol.[/quote]

Also, this thread is actually about vaporizers…so there is no smoke involved to start with.

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so do you guys (referring to Prof X, Dwarf, rrjc etc.) know if the THC actually lowers test and if it can slow down the cns/reaction time? I’m not talking about while high, I am referring more to a cumulative effect.

I started vaping (& smoking with friends occasionally) every night a few months after starting oly-weightlifting. I felt like my work capacity and maybe even my speed have decreased recently. So I wonder if it is the cumulative affect of the thc in my system or something else that needs addressing (maybe overtraining?).

I know the obvious solution is to quit weed for a while and see if my work capacity/reaction time goes back to normal but then again i am a pothead :wink:

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[quote]Bingbeast wrote:
so do you guys (referring to Prof X, Dwarf, rrjc etc.) know if the THC actually lowers test and if it can slow down the cns/reaction time? I’m not talking about while high, I am referring more to a cumulative effect.

I started vaping (& smoking with friends occasionally) every night a few months after starting oly-weightlifting. I felt like my work capacity and maybe even my speed have decreased recently. So I wonder if it is the cumulative affect of the thc in my system or something else that needs addressing (maybe overtraining?).

I know the obvious solution is to quit weed for a while and see if my work capacity/reaction time goes back to normal but then again i am a pothead ;)[/quote]

The effects of THC on the brain are largely transient and temporary. I can not find conclusive evidence of most of the scare tactics info that you see on the internet.

You have to understand that when it comes to marijuana, drug companies and industrial companies do NOT want it legal because it will take money from their pockets.

More people on Xanax may turn to an easily grown plant instead…or the clothing industry may take a hit if more people turn to hemp over cotton…or law enforcement now won’t be able to request a million dollar budget if what they use as excuse to fund that much won’t be there as an enemy any longer.

That is why you can’t just go find ONE study and form an opinion…because there are 5 more that contradict it because the group who studied it does not want it to be seen in a positive light by the general public at all.

For instance, you have people in this thread right now who won’t think twice about drinking a beer or some Henny and Coke but are blatantly against anyone smoking weed…and that makes zero sense.

The bottom line is, IF YOU ALONE find your motivation and work capacity waning, then you need to change what you are doing.

making blanket statement for all people is unnecessary.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
One thing that IS most significant to me is the finding that marijuana actually DECREASES lung cancer risks.

Yes, a plant that decreases cancer is still enemy number one.

That’s fact, not opinion.[/quote]

Do you have a study for this?

I’ve seen the study that shows that THC decreases the size of tumors, but I don’t recall them being specific to lung cancer.

I’d also be careful of the wording - since most people associate ‘marijuana’ with ‘smoking marijuana’ I’d say it’s a bit misleading to say that ‘marijuana decreases the chance risk of lung cancer.’

It’s just more accurate to say that ingesting THC (whether it’s a vape or edibles) can decrease risk, because there’s just no way that smoking anything is good for your lungs, lol.[/quote]

I have posted that study many times before in the other weed threads and don’t feel like looking for it again. You can search those though.

I do that because my grandmother died of cancer and could not get access legally to a plant that would have helped her not suffer so fucking much.

I personally think anyone who wants weed to remain illegal has a screw loose.[/quote]

X Question since I have never looked into this topic, never smoked weed and to me I could care less. Socially like you said legalize it tax the shit out of it and move on.

However my question is how is THC processed? I know byproducts are stored in fat cells so can be detected up to a month in some individuals. But is it filtered through liver or kidneys? Is there possible hepatic issues that could arise from chronic THC use?

Also as we all know alcohol has accumulative effects on the brain and liver, due the the fact THC obviously effects the brain (high) could THC have the same detrimental effects to brain as alcohol? Just wondering your opinion

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

I’d also be careful of the wording - since most people associate ‘marijuana’ with ‘smoking marijuana’ I’d say it’s a bit misleading to say that ‘marijuana decreases the chance risk of lung cancer.’

It’s just more accurate to say that ingesting THC (whether it’s a vape or edibles) can decrease risk, because there’s just no way that smoking anything is good for your lungs, lol.[/quote]

Also, this thread is actually about vaporizers…so there is no smoke involved to start with.

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No need to get defensive, man. We’re on the same page.

I know this thread’s about vaporizers, but the majority of people who ‘use’ weed don’t vaporize, but rather smoke.

I did, however, come across this in my search for that study (I couldn’t find the one you posted, but maybe it’s the same one that’s mentioned in the first post of the second page in this thread?)

However, that’s just saying smoking’s not correlated to lung cancer, not that it decreases the risk.

And FWIW, I’m sorry about your grandma - that’s the exact reason that even if the federal gov’t isn’t going to legalize it for recreational use, they should at least recognize it for medicinal use [in all 50 states, as opposed to the few who do currently.]

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[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
Smoking pot seems stupid and I just don’t see a point to it. I find it rather illogical really, but live and let live.[/quote]

Have you ever smoked pot? Most of the people who say things like this have never gotten high.

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Some years ago I had a boss who had abused of weed in his youth and he was very slow thinking and talking. It was like if he had lag or something. Having a conversation with him was very annoying, since sentences and topics would overlap. He also had very bad short term memory, to the point of forgetting his friend in a gas station or what he had commanded to do thirty seconds ago.

I guess this only happens if you really abuse it.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

X Question since I have never looked into this topic, never smoked weed and to me I could care less. Socially like you said legalize it tax the shit out of it and move on.

However my question is how is THC processed? I know byproducts are stored in fat cells so can be detected up to a month in some individuals. But is it filtered through liver or kidneys? Is there possible hepatic issues that could arise from chronic THC use?

Also as we all know alcohol has accumulative effects on the brain and liver, due the the fact THC obviously effects the brain (high) could THC have the same detrimental effects to brain as alcohol? Just wondering your opinion[/quote]

No hepatic issues even though it is metabolized in the liver. It crosses the blood brain barrier and binds to specific receptors called cannabinoid receptors. To even die of this plant, you would have to saturate serum lipids.

For instance, One estimate of THC’s LD50 for humans indicates that about 1,500 pounds (680 kg) of cannabis would have to be smoked within 14 minutes( Annas, George J. (1997). “Reefer Madness â?? The Federal Response to California’s Medical-Marijuana Law”. New England Journal of Medicine 337 (6): 435â??9. doi:10.1056/NEJM199708073370621. PMID 9241134.)

That means it is safer than alcohol or even caffeine in that regard.

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[quote]Edevus wrote:
Some years ago I had a boss who had abused of weed in his youth and he was very slow thinking and talking. It was like if he had lag or something. Having a conversation with him was very annoying, since sentences and topics would overlap. He also had very bad short term memory, to the point of forgetting his friend in a gas station or what he had commanded to do thirty seconds ago.

I guess this only happens if you really abuse it.

[/quote]

No, you have people with mental disorders all over the country. Without his full medical history, it is quite a leap to jump to that conclusion.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

X Question since I have never looked into this topic, never smoked weed and to me I could care less. Socially like you said legalize it tax the shit out of it and move on.

However my question is how is THC processed? I know byproducts are stored in fat cells so can be detected up to a month in some individuals. But is it filtered through liver or kidneys? Is there possible hepatic issues that could arise from chronic THC use?

Also as we all know alcohol has accumulative effects on the brain and liver, due the the fact THC obviously effects the brain (high) could THC have the same detrimental effects to brain as alcohol? Just wondering your opinion[/quote]

No hepatic issues even though it is metabolized in the liver. It crosses the blood brain barrier and binds to specific receptors called cannabinoid receptors. To even die of this plant, you would have to saturate serum lipids.

For instance, One estimate of THC’s LD50 for humans indicates that about 1,500 pounds (680 kg) of cannabis would have to be smoked within 14 minutes( Annas, George J. (1997). “Reefer Madness â?? The Federal Response to California’s Medical-Marijuana Law”. New England Journal of Medicine 337 (6): 435â??9. doi:10.1056/NEJM199708073370621. PMID 9241134.)

That means it is safer than alcohol or even caffeine in that regard.
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Wow, I understand all the social fight and issues didnt want to comment on that.

Just was curious on the medical side, thanks Doc

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I’m loving some the shit I’m reading here. Linking pot to schizophrenia is the best. The statement about people who smoke pot don’t work is a close second. I smoked a ton in college. So did almost all of my friends. Almost all of us graduated (except the 2 that were also drunk every day) and got good jobs. Some of us work for the government and still smoke. I don’t because I can’t afford to get caught with the stuff. But if it were legal I’d probably toke up once every month or two That’s about as often as I drink… None of us went schizo as far as I know. I also don’t know a single unemployed person over the age of 25 who smokes pot.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:
Some years ago I had a boss who had abused of weed in his youth and he was very slow thinking and talking. It was like if he had lag or something. Having a conversation with him was very annoying, since sentences and topics would overlap. He also had very bad short term memory, to the point of forgetting his friend in a gas station or what he had commanded to do thirty seconds ago.

I guess this only happens if you really abuse it.

[/quote]

No, you have people with mental disorders all over the country. Without his full medical history, it is quite a leap to jump to that conclusion.[/quote]

Maybe. But everybody who knew him well commented on this. He was a very cool guy, but very annoying to deal with, as you can imagine.

sam_sneed, I kinda support the feeling of not seeing the point of it. I have never smoked (anything at all) and I never will. I’m also tee-total. I really don’t see the point of getting drunk, but I won’t argue against it neither. I just don’t associate with people who do either of both.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
I’m loving some the shit I’m reading here. Linking pot to schizophrenia is the best. The statement about people who smoke pot don’t work is a close second. I smoked a ton in college. So did almost all of my friends. Almost all of us graduated (except the 2 that were also drunk every day) and got good jobs. Some of us work for the government and still smoke. I don’t because I can’t afford to get caught with the stuff. But if it were legal I’d probably toke up once every month or two That’s about as often as I drink… None of us went schizo as far as I know. I also don’t know a single unemployed person over the age of 25 who smokes pot.[/quote]

Maybe your other personality did?

:stuck_out_tongue: