Using a Vaporizer and Training?

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[quote]tmay11 wrote:

[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
If your willing to invest money in a vaporizer knowing that it will kill your gains,then I don’t think your taking your sport seriously enough. This is a situation where you cant have it both ways.[/quote]

I don’t doubt that marijuana has some affect on test but to say that it will " kill your gains " is very naive.

There are plenty of huge, strong guys that indulge on a regular basis.

Vaporizers are a good idea imo if you are going to smoke regularly. An added bonus is that if you smoke somewhat regularly they will actually pay for themselves fairly quickly as you can achieve the same high with substantially less weed. [/quote]

Obviously listen to the man from British Columbia

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]RSGZ wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Also, it’s been my experience that most the marijuana smokers I’ve met don’t work for a living. May be something of a generalisation but there’s definitely a trend there.[/quote]

LOL, what does that have to do with anything?

You’re saying I’m going to stop working if I choose to smoke weed, and you’ll “generally” be right?[/quote]

I’m saying there appears to be a link between marijuana smoking and apathy/demotivation. Lots of dope smokers will tell you that. What does it have to do with anything? Apathy and loss of motivation aren’t going to help you with your training for one thing.[/quote]

You sound naive or maybe just ignorant. But I guess when someone has as much sexual intercourse as you do, it’s hard to go out and socialize with the real world.

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The link between smoking and demotivation and apathy is always something that I have wondered about.

From my own anecdotal experience it definitely zaps my “energy/motivation”(poor choice of words) for the day and the next. For this reason I try to only smoke 1/2 x month. I think most people though who don’t really smoke are confused over the way in which it “kills motivation” - it’s not so much that you don’t have energy and/or motivation but that you are CONTENT doing whatever it is you happen to be doing. When I get stoned I will often put TONS of energy into something, it’s just that it is often something trivial that I normally wouldn’t put time towards. For this reason, if you can “channel” your high, it can be an amazingly productive and creative time.

I have many friends from high school that have been smoking heavily since they were 16/17 and they have pretty much done nothing with their lives in the 5 years since grad. Now I also know that it’s important to not confuse correlation with causation and I recognize that inherently lazy people could be the ones who are attracted to smoking weed. Or it could be that people originally lacking drive/focus/motivation are attracted to smoking weed because it gives life that “sense of grandeur” that they lack, but so desperately long for, because of their lack of accomplishments.

For myself personal, someone who smoked fairly heavily between the ages of 16-19, I know that it was a combination of the above mentioned factors.

Here is something that I haven’t really talked to many people about - Who wishes, and works on, achieving the “high mindset/paradigm/perception” but when NOT stoned. For myself, and it would totally depend on how you feel stoned, I think it would be great to always have that mindset. And for me it means this -

  • Everything is more beautiful
  • You feel a sense of connectedness with the world(studying econ sometimes I have some very intense ideas…)
  • Everything is more “grand” - the small things take on new meaning

The above really is a poor way to describe being high - your perception high is just “different” and thats all that can really be said…

Thoughts?

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Schizophrenia caused by drugs is laughable.
The only semi-correct correlation between drug use and schizophrenia is that if you have a family history of schizophrenia, psychoactive drugs like LSD or mushrooms can speed up the process of you becoming schizophrenic.
But it was going to happen regardless, so it really can’t be blamed on drugs.

Add to that the fact that most people don’t start showing signs of schizophrenia until their 20’s…which is also around the same time when people are more likely to experiment with drugs…then you get these ridiculous beliefs about certain drugs that really aren’t very dangerous if taken in moderation and in the right setting.
This thread really does show just how well all the propaganda about drugs has worked on certain people.

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[quote]tmay11 wrote:
The link between smoking and demotivation and apathy is always something that I have wondered about.

From my own anecdotal experience it definitely zaps my “energy/motivation”(poor choice of words) for the day and the next. For this reason I try to only smoke 1/2 x month. I think most people though who don’t really smoke are confused over the way in which it “kills motivation” - it’s not so much that you don’t have energy and/or motivation but that you are CONTENT doing whatever it is you happen to be doing. When I get stoned I will often put TONS of energy into something, it’s just that it is often something trivial that I normally wouldn’t put time towards. For this reason, if you can “channel” your high, it can be an amazingly productive and creative time.

I have many friends from high school that have been smoking heavily since they were 16/17 and they have pretty much done nothing with their lives in the 5 years since grad. Now I also know that it’s important to not confuse correlation with causation and I recognize that inherently lazy people could be the ones who are attracted to smoking weed. Or it could be that people originally lacking drive/focus/motivation are attracted to smoking weed because it gives life that “sense of grandeur” that they lack, but so desperately long for, because of their lack of accomplishments.

For myself personal, someone who smoked fairly heavily between the ages of 16-19, I know that it was a combination of the above mentioned factors.

Here is something that I haven’t really talked to many people about - Who wishes, and works on, achieving the “high mindset/paradigm/perception” but when NOT stoned. For myself, and it would totally depend on how you feel stoned, I think it would be great to always have that mindset. And for me it means this -

  • Everything is more beautiful
  • You feel a sense of connectedness with the world(studying econ sometimes I have some very intense ideas…)
  • Everything is more “grand” - the small things take on new meaning

The above really is a poor way to describe being high - your perception high is just “different” and thats all that can really be said…

Thoughts?

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Makes sense to me. I’m not a big fan of weed. I know two people directly in my family that are useless that like it. But they might have been lazy asses who weren’t to smart to begin with. Trouble is they are the type who should not do it. But this is the whole correlation and causation thing.

One problem with smoking is many jobs test for it. It’s not worth the risk. Example : one family member was set up with a great summer job starting at $10.35 an hour. great stuff for a college kid.

Failed the drug test. You can say this didn’t go over well with their parents. My opinion is the kid torpedoed the job on purpose. Of course this was an always lazy kid etc. who underperformed always did work half ass etc.

I’ve said many times if you like a drug, you probably shouldn’t do it. When you often star you don’t see it’s pull on you. Then it’s to late and now you have problems.

Is it bad for everyone, no. But there are people who don’t have the brains or the nature do do it responsibly.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]RSGZ wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Also, it’s been my experience that most the marijuana smokers I’ve met don’t work for a living. May be something of a generalisation but there’s definitely a trend there.[/quote]

LOL, what does that have to do with anything?

You’re saying I’m going to stop working if I choose to smoke weed, and you’ll “generally” be right?[/quote]

I’m saying there appears to be a link between marijuana smoking and apathy/demotivation. Lots of dope smokers will tell you that. What does it have to do with anything? Apathy and loss of motivation aren’t going to help you with your training for one thing.[/quote]

You sound naive or maybe just ignorant. But I guess when someone has as much sexual intercourse as you do, it’s hard to go out and socialize with the real world. [/quote]

Meh.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

He wasn’t a friend just a guy in my year. From what I understand he had tried ecstacy and speed in high school but after high school just smoked marijuana. He smoked it every day and was completely insane by the age of 20 when he jumped off a cliff. Including him there were three heavy dope smokers in my year who developed schizophrenia. No one else in my year developed schizophrenia to my knowledge. There are a lot of studies that indicate a link between marijuana and schizophrenia. From my experience and these studies I’m inclined to believe the link exists.[/quote]

At a glance that might seem like compelling evidence, but it doesn’t take into consideration a myriad of confounding factors, like family history, life stressors, ability to cope or time period in life for the manifestation of mental illness like schizoid disorders (that last one is a big one). Drug use and abuse may exacerbate these problems, or confuse a diagnosis, thus making them harder to pinpoint and treat, but they will still be there minus the drug.

What really stands out is the time period and escalation of use. Smoking everyday isn’t regular use. It may be a regular occurrence, but not normal or recreational.

I’m not the type of person that should use drugs. I no longer do, nor do I recommend that people find out the hard way that they are the type that should not use either, BUT that doesn’t mean that no one ever should.

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I’m not saying marijuana use = schizophrenia. I’m saying I’m inclined to believe there’s a ‘link’. Even if(best case scenario), the link is that people predisposed to schizophrenia and possibly likely to develop it anyway, have it brought on by dope smoking.

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Just curious how old everyone is who smokes. Not to pass judgment.

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For the record, I haven’t smoked pot in 26 years (despite my hippie appearance…lol).

I have nothing against anyone’s use of it. I agree it should be legal.
However, I hate smoke of any kind in my lungs, I don’t like being under the influence of any substance, and it’s illegal.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

I’m not saying marijuana use = schizophrenia. I’m saying I’m inclined to believe there’s a ‘link’. Even if(best case scenario), the link is that people predisposed to schizophrenia and possibly likely to develop it anyway, have it brought on by dope smoking.[/quote]

Uh, no…they would likely have the disorder no matter what…so blaming it on weed makes as much sense as blaming it on the pancakes they had that morning.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

I’m not saying marijuana use = schizophrenia. I’m saying I’m inclined to believe there’s a ‘link’. Even if(best case scenario), the link is that people predisposed to schizophrenia and possibly likely to develop it anyway, have it brought on by dope smoking.[/quote]

Uh, no…they would likely have the disorder no matter what…so blaming it on weed makes as much sense as blaming it on the pancakes they had that morning.[/quote]

Yes but my brother had a friend who was banging this chick who once knew a guy who had pancakes one morning and later went to the hospital with some kind of mental schizophrenia attack and like all the Drs said it was probably old pancake batter and like these worms got in his brain from the old batter and like now he has schizophrenia.

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Excuse me for this stupid question, but why is a vaporizer better than brownies? Better high per gram?

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[quote]kakno wrote:
Excuse me for this stupid question, but why is a vaporizer better than brownies? Better high per gram?[/quote]

Brownies require a lot more marijuana, take a lot more time to prepare and the high is also different. It also takes longer to become high. Also, If you’re a regular pothead do you really want to be eating 4-5 brownies a day?

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[quote]tom63 wrote:

I’ve said many times if you like a drug, you probably shouldn’t do it. When you often star you don’t see it’s pull on you. Then it’s to late and now you have problems.

Is it bad for everyone, no. But there are people who don’t have the brains or the nature do do it responsibly.[/quote]

You see, the same could be said about alcohol…but for some reason, it is a social taboo to make the exact same statement during Happy Hour

There are always people who don’t have the brains to or the nature to do things responsibly. The same goes for driving a car, drinking alcohol, or several other things that humans do everyday that are high risk.

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A vaporizer does not negate the smoke issue. Don’t be one of those people that thinks hooka is good for you because it’s been “water filtered”. I mean, you didn’t really think that vaporizers were producing pure water vapor and THC did you? You could at least bother to google that basic assumption.

If by a load of crap (about testosterone) you mean that you don’t know anything about physiology then I believe you. All of this BS anecdotal evidence doesn’t “prove” anything. But as other people mentioned you can get strong while smoking. Its a fairly small factor in the grand scheme.

Oh, btw, anyone here have the genetics of ricky williams? arnold? Anyone want to look like them dispite lacking those genetics? You think you’ll have to work harder or be more slacked to get more with less?

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You heard it here first! Froma doctor, no less…

Pancakes cause schizophrenia!

Lolz

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[quote]SeriouslyGuys wrote:
A vaporizer does not negate the smoke issue. Don’t be one of those people that thinks hooka is good for you because it’s been “water filtered”. I mean, you didn’t really think that vaporizers were producing pure water vapor and THC did you? You could at least bother to google that basic assumption.

If by a load of crap (about testosterone) you mean that you don’t know anything about physiology then I believe you. All of this BS anecdotal evidence doesn’t “prove” anything. But as other people mentioned you can get strong while smoking. Its a fairly small factor in the grand scheme.

Oh, btw, anyone here have the genetics of ricky williams? arnold? Anyone want to look like them dispite lacking those genetics? You think you’ll have to work harder or be more slacked to get more with less?[/quote]

Maybe some here do have the genetics of Ricky Williams or Arnold. Maybe we shouldn’t act like all things are made for all people.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SeriouslyGuys wrote:
A vaporizer does not negate the smoke issue. Don’t be one of those people that thinks hooka is good for you because it’s been “water filtered”. I mean, you didn’t really think that vaporizers were producing pure water vapor and THC did you? You could at least bother to google that basic assumption.

If by a load of crap (about testosterone) you mean that you don’t know anything about physiology then I believe you. All of this BS anecdotal evidence doesn’t “prove” anything. But as other people mentioned you can get strong while smoking. Its a fairly small factor in the grand scheme.

Oh, btw, anyone here have the genetics of ricky williams? arnold? Anyone want to look like them dispite lacking those genetics? You think you’ll have to work harder or be more slacked to get more with less?[/quote]

Maybe some here do have the genetics of Ricky Williams or Arnold. Maybe we shouldn’t act like all things are made for all people.[/quote]

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In what I’ve read, also, even though anytime smoke is put in your lungs there is a risk of lung cancer because of the carcinogens produced when combusting anything; the THC in marijuana is a strong enough cancer fighter that all the possible side effects of the smoke are negated by the very compound that gets you high.
LONG sentence for the lulz.

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Why not just INJECT testosterone if you’re worried about decreasing it? Duh…

Plenty of people I know smoke regularly and still have great success in training, including me. Also, plenty of people I know smoke regularly and perform like shit. Smoking weed is not exactly a clear-cut issue regarding performance or any other aspect of health/wellness and until the shit-brains in the mainstream medical community start doing legitimate studies, we’ll probably never know.

Until then, I’ll smoke after PR training days because I like it. And since I’ve never tried to force anyone to smoke, those who don’t wish to partake don’t have to. Rant /. I’ve got the munchies so I don’t have time for this crap.

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I was gonna write out a whole long post about how awesome weed is, but, meh…