Ease with your defense mechanisms, read the words, understand the concepts. It’s not as hard as you think.
[quote]Wrah wrote:
Ease with your defense mechanisms, read the words, understand the concepts. It’s not as hard as you think.[/quote]
Haha, I get it now. You’re trolin’. Power =force X velocity. Not really sure what else to tell ya slick.
Those are about some of the worst hang cleans I have seen. Whatever works.
Those “hang cleans” he is performing are fucking awful and he is not training his hip extensors at all (which is the whole point of hang cleans). The way he is performing them has very little carry over to sprinting.
Also this was filmed long after he set his world record.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
[quote]bluerock wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
A heavy deadlift would be a no go for a sprinter if I were training them. Convi deads will cause some to develop a wider waist and that slows them down.
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Have to disagree with you there. If it’s pure muscle you are building and you stay lean then what’s the problem?
Charlie Francis had his athletes perform thousands of repetitions of specific work for the obliques, abs and lower back per week
^^ That is what WRah is trying to say. That he is not training to develop power since doing them so horribly inefficient would cause him to spend the next few months/years/whatever learning how to do them better by gaining skills and muscle efficiency vs. improving the speed he already has. Most people do them so bad and so little that they don’t get the same training effect as maybe doing explosive deadlifts, or power shrugs.
These look more like upright rows to the rack position. no hip involvement there at all by the looks of it…
yeah, those aren’t hang cleans lol.
[quote]Wrah wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Wrah wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Triple extension, develops power, you have to be explosive even under heavy weight or you miss the lift. [/quote]
How is the power developed, I ask? Well, how is strength developed in the deadlift? Through progression in resistance, right? Well, how easy it is to progress in resistance in the hang clean by doing the exercise itself? Very hard I might say. I have never heard anyone doing just hang cleans and getting better at them in the long run. Note, long run, important term there. So, it could be concluded that this exercise is not good for developing power.[/quote]
Does any of what you just wrote actually make sense to you or were you just being argumentative?[/quote]
Just using simple logic. I think I was reasonably clear. Ask me if there is something you didn’t understand.
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I think it was a nice way of saying that comment is just fucking stupid, LOL.
There is no logic involved in that comment, you might want to check the def. you are using. A hang clean is a highly technical lift. Technical skills are learned by repetition. You will get better at cleans by repeating cleans.
That is a logical statement.
A sprinter needs coordinated expl. at the hip, knee and ankle for their stride, the clean is exact;y that.
A bodybuilder may inc. cleans for trap growth, that is not the purpose of the exercise however.
That is just the thought process I was going against. You don’t get explosive by learning the hang clean technique, what are you, some kind of idiot?
^^LOL
[quote]Wrah wrote:
That is just the thought process I was going against. You don’t get explosive by learning the hang clean technique, what are you, some kind of idiot?[/quote]
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Your post stated that you do not get better at hang cleans by doing hang cleans. That is idiotic, and that is what I was replying to. It is a high skill lift. I am not debating bolts form or the efficacy of this lift in his program. Or whether he should waste the time learning this lift well enough that it benefits him. I am replying that the best way to improve a skill is by practicing a skill set. YOur post, regardless of what you meant, says the opposite. That applies for the deadlift as well. If your setup and pull is shit, doing acces. exercises will not improve your pull as much as fixing your form, which you will only get by deadlifting.
I also forgot that olympic lifters dont olympic lift because they do not need to do so. All they need to do is train squat and plyos and their clean and jerk will magically go up, right?
P.S. When you have trouble putting a coherent sentence together you will often be misunderstood.
[quote]Wrah wrote:
That is just the thought process I was going against. You don’t get explosive by learning the hang clean technique, what are you, some kind of idiot?[/quote]
youre wrong.getting your hang clean up will make you more explosive.are you denying the SAID principle?
Wrah pops up intermittently to TROLL threads. As tempting as it is to respond, leave him to his sad little existence and he won’t bother coming back.
You are clearly a little gimp if you do not think hang cleans develop power.
There is no lift in the world that would make Bolt faster or more explosive. His output on the track far exceeds anything he could possibly do in the weight room.
His weight training in general in nature, meaning he is strengthening the basic bodily movement patterns and muscles. Hang cleans hit a lot of muscle so they are very efficient.
Cleans could make a low level athlete faster and more powerful but an elite athlete will only use cleans for general strength. The main stimulus for speed and power is the sprinting (like someone else said, the SAID principle).