It wouldn’t surprise me, either.
Very possibly true. But my point is more about marketing of the game.
Soccer is officially “gross” to my very athletic daughter because the spokeswoman/front man/ambassador for the game is an awful person that preteen/young teen girls to whom do not want to be compared.
And, no, this has zero to do about her being a lesbian. It has to do with her being awful.
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If it brings us back to this point, it would show that you already have an existing bias when arguing against the validity of the lawsuit and their fight for more pay. Do you see why you get shat on when claiming to be objective when you’re really not?
Do the worst of the people representing the concept “veteran” speak for you? The least-likable of the people representing the concept “weightlifter”? Do you speak as one with the most odious, attention-seeking Native Americans?
Does it not occur to you to say something along the lines of “sweetie, she’s just one person; all kinds of girls and women play soccer”? UBU, and all.
I can’t imagine letting a single dirtbag or blowhard determine for my children what [fill in the blank] is. Dennis Rodman as the voice of the NBA, anyone? No.
Ideally, we counsel our children in critical thinking rather than fostering reactivity and flimsy connections. All chess players are NOT nerds; some are. All football players are NOT wife-beaters; some are. All feminists are NOT man-haters; some are. All conservatives are NOT bigots; some are.
You guys are killing me. Seriously.
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Technically you’re killing yourself … no one is forcing you to read through this dumpster fire of a thread 
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Soccer teams are businesses.
Slow weekend here I see.
I know the struggle
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Have you forgotten what preteen girls are like?
We tried all those arguments. It didn’t work.
The jury of mean teenage girls have spoken and ruled that soccer is now a game for angry lesbians.
Those “guys” who are killing you are “gals”.
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Shat on by whom? a few people in here that don’t even follow this sport or what has been going on with the USWNT? This lawsuit isn’t anything new, they tried this with the last president and he basically told them to fuck off and crushed their dreams with hard cold facts.
They saw that they had more leverage now because
- they voted the new president in because he promised to look into ‘equal pay’
- they made the World Cup and won it when the men didn’t even qualify
- claiming everything is the fault of the patriarchy is the new hot thing
their lawyers saw this and decided to give it another go. I’m not sure what type of ‘objective’ attitude you want me to demonstrate here. We don’t have all the numbers in front of us to determine this case because it hasn’t gone to trial. We’re only going by the little information we have, and the angle the USWNT has taken on this matter which is crystal clear.
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Angry lesbians is as redundant as angry women/teen girls.
And what is so awful about Rapinoe anyway?
Zecarlo, you need help dude.
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For someone who claims we don’t have all the facts, you sure seem to have come to a conclusion.
And don’t pretend to follow the sport. You don’t even know what to call it.
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You dismissed everything in the case as “frivolous” and called all the things you wrote but couldn’t back up “facts”.
The fringe loons on the feminist side turn a good number of rational people off from their cause. You chose to act just like them in retaliation because you got offended. People like you are the ones who end up driving away rational people to the other side.
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You disagree with her. Yeah, for millennial snowflakes that’s enough to make her awful. The successful lesbian athlete hurt your feelings.
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It’s what millennials do. They ruin everything.
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I was thinking the same thing when I read @EmilyQ 's reply. My kid is 18 and just starting to think like an adult, along with entertaining the possibility that I do not, in fact, walk this planet to ruin his life.
How do you think things like mumble rap become popular, if not for the jury of teenage minds? I can’t really say much either, since I was into Phish when I was his age. I can’t stand them now, but that’s probably because the drugs have had a few decades to wear off.
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If Ronaldo came out as gay, young boys would still want to play the sport.
What are the things I wrote about that couldn’t be backed up? We don’t have all the numbers ,and when revenue comes into play it becomes incredibly complicated.
But fuck it, let’s grab an article here, and run down some numbers that are presented
The women’s lawsuit and the equal pay argument focus largely on bonuses and other issues related to national team games. A player on the U.S. men’s national team can make as much as $17,625 depending on the opponent and the outcome, court documents allege. A women’s player would get about half that for a comparable result.
This is what most clickbait articles have but
What the lawsuit leaves out, however, is the fact the union representing the women’s team negotiated a collective bargaining agreement with the federation two years ago that pays national team players a base salary of $100,000 a year, plus another $72,500 for playing in the National Women’s Soccer League, the domestic league that U.S. Soccer subsidizes.
I knew the U.S soccer federation subsidized a bit of the professional league, but I’d love to see from what revenue stream they take that from. Is the men still subsidizing the women this whole time? that’d be a fucking doozy to know
That means the top 18 players in the women’s national team pool will earn $172,500 from the federation this year before factoring in bonuses and game-day pay. Other players get slightly less, and the federation also pays health insurance as well as maternity and adoption leave. Male players get none of that and are paid only if they make the 18-man roster for an international game.
Ok, like we previously discussed in here the men don’t have guaranteed contracts, so anyone left out of the roster gets 0 money. The difference here it seems is that the men have the MLS to fall back on which has nothing really to do with the federation, at least on the men’s side
A women’s national team player who appears in 20 friendlies a year could earn as much as $271,500 in salary and bonuses, all paid by U.S Soccer. A male player who suits up for 20 friendlies and wins all 20 would get $8,000 less from the federation. The male player might get millions more from his club, but is it U.S. Soccer’s responsibility to bridge that gap? And where would that money come from if the federation did?
I remember reading this but didn’t realize it… the federation is already paying the women more!!! just like FIFA is! lol hahahahaha it is unbelievable. This is why I fucking said it was frivolous @dt79
And here was another point that I have tried to make in here multiple times but yet was ignored
A recent Wall Street Journal report, based on U.S. Soccer’s own financial documents, showed that in the most recent three-year period for which records are available, the women’s team earned $900,000 more — $50.8 million to $49.9 million — than the men.
But nearly half those earnings came in 2015, following the women’s title in the 2015 World Cup; the men made more in each of the other two years. And U.S. Soccer sells its TV rights as a package, so there’s no way to divide that revenue.
So because the women got to the World Cup, and made an incremental gain on the men they want whatever the fuck they consider “equal pay” ??? They’re already getting paid more! Basically, what these women are asking for is simple.
They want the federation to set aside more money for them because their own fucking game isn’t as popular in the pro leagues. This is what they’re screaming about. They just want more money, be damned if it makes sense. They want guaranteed contracts, they want the health care, and they want to be paid exactly like whatever guy makes it on the U.S roster+whatever they get on the MLS side. lol uhhhhh what?
The rest of the article goes on to talk about the FIFA pay structure which we’ve already discussed in here. So, go on, tell me how am I biased again? How am I not being ‘objective’ ?
The only way they win sympathy and support, like I have said in here 100x, is through shaming, using the medias desire for political divides to spur up the lefty liberal social justice warrior base into a frenzy, a frenzy of a perceived patriarchy wrongdoing by white cis males or whatever. This is all it is dude. That’s it. That’s why I say apply some basic common sense, any asshole that watches and follows this sport knows what is going on without having to even look at the numbers. it is painfully obvious what is going on.