â??The unemployment compensation benefits have gotten – first of all, it’s not constitutionally authorized,â?? Miller, R-Alaska, said on ABC/Washington Postâ??s â??Top Line.â?? â??I think thatâ??s the first thing that’s gotta be looked at, so I do not favor their extension.â??
Good stuff! Maybe Alaska can save this country!
Unemployment compensation is beneficial to the millions of Americans who lost their jobs through no fault of their own and cannot find other work. I forget the exact figure but over a million manufacturing jobs have been lost since 2000, thats over a million people out of work and we can thank alot of our government officials, some like him who say unemployment benefits arent authorized, and their policies for that.
It’s easy for Miller to sit in his ivory tower and judge. My question to him would be what are some specific things he’s doing to create jobs paying good american wages so that people wont need unemployment compensation?
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Unemployment compensation is beneficial to the millions of Americans who lost their jobs through no fault of their own and cannot find other work. I forget the exact figure but over a million manufacturing jobs have been lost since 2000, thats over a million people out of work and we can thank alot of our government officials, some like him who say unemployment benefits arent authorized, and their policies for that.
It’s easy for Miller to sit in his ivory tower and judge. My question to him would be what are some specific things he’s doing to create jobs paying good american wages so that people wont need unemployment compensation?[/quote]
Excellent point!
I think with these types of issues (like everything in life), they aren’t black or white. You can’t let people starve, but you can’t create a welfare state. The middle path is the correct one.
Interesting.
HH is now responding to himself.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
Interesting.
HH is now responding to himself.[/quote]
LOL
Everyone needs help here and there. However, the way unemployment is currently set up demotivates people from looking for work. 6 months of unemployment benefits is reasonable, 2 years is not. This, along with healthcare, SS, medicare/aid is nothing more than an effort to create dependence on govt.
[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Everyone needs help here and there. However, the way unemployment is currently set up demotivates people from looking for work. 6 months of unemployment benefits is reasonable, 2 years is not. This, along with healthcare, SS, medicare/aid is nothing more than an effort to create dependence on govt. [/quote]
This is exactly why Bismarck created it in the first place.
After all, the idea to bribe people with other peoples money was always an effective way to stay in power and that is just the most recent incarnation of it.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Unemployment compensation is beneficial to the millions of Americans who lost their jobs through no fault of their own and cannot find other work. I forget the exact figure but over a million manufacturing jobs have been lost since 2000, thats over a million people out of work and we can thank alot of our government officials, some like him who say unemployment benefits arent authorized, and their policies for that.
It’s easy for Miller to sit in his ivory tower and judge. My question to him would be what are some specific things he’s doing to create jobs paying good american wages so that people wont need unemployment compensation?[/quote]
Manufacturing jobs are lost because people do not buy american made.
[quote]gunsaregood wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Unemployment compensation is beneficial to the millions of Americans who lost their jobs through no fault of their own and cannot find other work. I forget the exact figure but over a million manufacturing jobs have been lost since 2000, thats over a million people out of work and we can thank alot of our government officials, some like him who say unemployment benefits arent authorized, and their policies for that.
It’s easy for Miller to sit in his ivory tower and judge. My question to him would be what are some specific things he’s doing to create jobs paying good american wages so that people wont need unemployment compensation?[/quote]
Manufacturing jobs are lost because people do not buy american made.[/quote]
That’s because there is hardly anything that is 100% American made. Manufacturing jobs are lost because American workers, backed by big labor unions, want ever-increasing wages and benefits. It’s cheaper to outsource these jobs, and that’s what businesses do. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t be able to compete with foreign-made goods, they would have to close down, resulting in even more jobs lost. More importantly, most manufacturing is now done by high-tech robots. Robots don’t need health benefits, pensions, or lunch breaks. Even if you did bring back manufacturing jobs to the U.S., companies would replace human labor with robotics. However, you would need someone who knows a thing or two about robotics to maintain these machines.
Our future lies not with unskilled manufacturing jobs but with high-tech jobs. Forget manufacturing - get an education instead.
States can give unemployment comp but nothing in the US Constitution says to do this. Of course, what does that matter?
BTW: I am not Clip.
[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Everyone needs help here and there. However, the way unemployment is currently set up demotivates people from looking for work. 6 months of unemployment benefits is reasonable, 2 years is not. This, along with healthcare, SS, medicare/aid is nothing more than an effort to create dependence on govt. [/quote]
When Clinton left office there was a surplus. I was listening to a senator out of Rhode Island talk and he was saying that the first day Bush was sworn into office, the nation was on track to be debt free by 2008. Its 2010 and wwe’re trillions in debt. The people who receive unemployment wasnt the cause of this or the bad economy, yet they are the ones who suffer most. George Bush isnt collecting unemployment, he’a a multi-millionaire, how his light bill will be paid or food in his refrigerator or getting his car fixed is the last thing on his mind. The same with alot of our senators.
The fact is, there are no jobs to go to. The fact is, if the economy was good, we wouldnt need all of these unemployment extensions and it would be a non-issue.
[quote]
When Clinton left office there was a surplus. I was listening to a senator out of Rhode Island talk and he was saying that the first day Bush was sworn into office, the nation was on track to be debt free by 2008. Its 2010 and wwe’re trillions in debt. The people who receive unemployment wasnt the cause of this or the bad economy, yet they are the ones who suffer most. George Bush isnt collecting unemployment, he’a a multi-millionaire, how his light bill will be paid or food in his refrigerator or getting his car fixed is the last thing on his mind. The same with alot of our senators.
The fact is, there are no jobs to go to. The fact is, if the economy was good, we wouldnt need all of these unemployment extensions and it would be a non-issue.[/quote]
What? Who on earth told you there was a surplus when Clinton left office? Maybe for fiscal year 1999, but our nation was already trillions of dollars in debt even before Clinton took office. Are you saying our national debt was accumulated during Bush’s years only? I hope not, because that would cause me to write you off as an idiot, and your posts thus far are logical. Unemployment benefits were not the cause of this depression.
The repeal of the Glass-Steagel act under Clinton played a huge part, along with the govt thinking everyone deserved a house. Fannie and Freddie’s $10 trillion debt isn’t even mentioned when people talk about the overall debt. Every president, rep and dem, promises to reduce the debt during their campaign. Did you know Obama is the 9th president in a row that has vowed to “reduce our dependency on foreign oil”? We have to break the illusion of choice. Mainstream media and the elites constantly say “left, right, republican, Democrat, Bush, Obama, etc” so you think those two factions are your only options. Both parties are for the expansion of govt and increased control of your daily life.
Since all powers not enuemerated in the Constitution are remanded to the states. Thus the states having unemployment insurance is prefectly Constitutional.
[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
[quote]
When Clinton left office there was a surplus. I was listening to a senator out of Rhode Island talk and he was saying that the first day Bush was sworn into office, the nation was on track to be debt free by 2008. Its 2010 and wwe’re trillions in debt. The people who receive unemployment wasnt the cause of this or the bad economy, yet they are the ones who suffer most. George Bush isnt collecting unemployment, he’a a multi-millionaire, how his light bill will be paid or food in his refrigerator or getting his car fixed is the last thing on his mind. The same with alot of our senators.
The fact is, there are no jobs to go to. The fact is, if the economy was good, we wouldnt need all of these unemployment extensions and it would be a non-issue.[/quote]
What? Who on earth told you there was a surplus when Clinton left office? Maybe for fiscal year 1999, but our nation was already trillions of dollars in debt even before Clinton took office. Are you saying our national debt was accumulated during Bush’s years only? I hope not, because that would cause me to write you off as an idiot, and your posts thus far are logical. Unemployment benefits were not the cause of this depression.
The repeal of the Glass-Steagel act under Clinton played a huge part, along with the govt thinking everyone deserved a house. Fannie and Freddie’s $10 trillion debt isn’t even mentioned when people talk about the overall debt. Every president, rep and dem, promises to reduce the debt during their campaign. Did you know Obama is the 9th president in a row that has vowed to “reduce our dependency on foreign oil”? We have to break the illusion of choice. Mainstream media and the elites constantly say “left, right, republican, Democrat, Bush, Obama, etc” so you think those two factions are your only options. Both parties are for the expansion of govt and increased control of your daily life. [/quote]
Preach it brother! Seriously, vote for Ron Paul or I will start knocking people off. I feel like I’m surrounded by sheep. Open your eyes everybody.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Unemployment compensation is beneficial to the millions of Americans who lost their jobs [/quote]
OF COURSE IT IS! Someone gives me money - I find that very beneficial.
MAKE WORK! The age of the entrepreneur is now. Find out what the market wants. Its your fault if you get dropped from a job or you get a promotion. Take responsibility. Dump the obligations (mortages, loans, car payments) so you dont have to rely on taking someone elses cash once your out of work - and , most of all, SAVE.
once again, take responsibility. YOU create a high paying job. You dont need to rely on some politician to pass some law that favors one group while often disfavoring another.
USE YOUR MIND.
My guess: If alot of americans were not getting spoon fed by the gov, they would be in a pressure-filled make or break situation , which would cause them to use their creativeness and reason to find out how to generate income. People do amazing things when they are on the edge. Sadly, unemployment comp has drugged all the out of work americans. Wheres the pressure? There is none.
[quote]THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Unemployment compensation is beneficial to the millions of Americans who lost their jobs [/quote]
OF COURSE IT IS! Someone gives me money - I find that very beneficial.
MAKE WORK! The age of the entrepreneur is now. Find out what the market wants. Its your fault if you get dropped from a job or you get a promotion. Take responsibility. Dump the obligations (mortages, loans, car payments) so you dont have to rely on taking someone elses cash once your out of work - and , most of all, SAVE.
once again, take responsibility. YOU create a high paying job. You dont need to rely on some politician to pass some law that favors one group while often disfavoring another.
USE YOUR MIND.
My guess: If alot of americans were not getting spoon fed by the gov, they would be in a pressure-filled make or break situation , which would cause them to use their creativeness and reason to find out how to generate income. People do amazing things when they are on the edge. Sadly, unemployment comp has drugged all the out of work americans. Wheres the pressure? There is none. [/quote]
I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, but…
How exactly to you save money for a business when you can barely buy groceries due to a lack of employment?
How exactly do you start a business without money? Please don’t tell me to just take out a loan from the bank because they aren’t exactly giving them away right now.
Lastly why don’t you think I should get unemployment if I lose my job when every single pay check (up to a certain point) I pay into unemployment and my employer’s match that payment?
Here’s an interesting scenario. A man works for 40 years without losing his job paying into unemployment the entire duration of his employment. He is then laid off and can’t find a job for over 2 years. Should he get unemployment for those 2 years?
Remember he paid into it for 40 and he is asking for 2 in return.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, but…
How exactly to you save money for a business when you can barely buy groceries due to a lack of employment?
How exactly do you start a business without money? Please don’t tell me to just take out a loan from the bank because they aren’t exactly giving them away right now.
[/quote]
You be smart. You persuade investors and those with money. You sell your idea. If no one buys into your idea (not the investors or the public) - that should tell you something. If you still want to pursue it - yes, save up money. Start even smaller. Many other free-lance be your own boss jobs requires very little capital. ie personal training and writing. Go to the library. Read to succeed.
[quote]
Lastly why don’t you think I should get unemployment if I lose my job when every single pay check (up to a certain point) I pay into unemployment and my employer’s match that payment?
Here’s an interesting scenario. A man works for 40 years without losing his job paying into unemployment the entire duration of his employment. He is then laid off and can’t find a job for over 2 years. Should he get unemployment for those 2 years?
Remember he paid into it for 40 and he is asking for 2 in return. [/quote]
If you are simply getting your own money back, then there is no problem there.
But is that what happens?
[quote]THE_CLAMP_DOWN wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, but…
How exactly to you save money for a business when you can barely buy groceries due to a lack of employment?
How exactly do you start a business without money? Please don’t tell me to just take out a loan from the bank because they aren’t exactly giving them away right now.
[/quote]
You be smart. You persuade investors and those with money. You sell your idea. If no one buys into your idea (not the investors or the public) - that should tell you something. If you still want to pursue it - yes, save up money. Start even smaller. Many other free-lance be your own boss jobs requires very little capital. ie personal training and writing. Go to the library. Read to succeed.
[quote]
Lastly why don’t you think I should get unemployment if I lose my job when every single pay check (up to a certain point) I pay into unemployment and my employer’s match that payment?
Here’s an interesting scenario. A man works for 40 years without losing his job paying into unemployment the entire duration of his employment. He is then laid off and can’t find a job for over 2 years. Should he get unemployment for those 2 years?
Remember he paid into it for 40 and he is asking for 2 in return. [/quote]
If you are simply getting your own money back, then there is no problem there.
But is that what happens?[/quote]
…and what if you’re more of a technical then an entrepreneur? You are hard working as hell, but don’t have the vision to create a successful company. Intelligence and money aren’t the only keys to starting let alone running a successful business. What do those people do?
…You are absolutely right many people take advantage of the system and do not just get their money back, but I think plenty of people are only getting a small amount of the money they have put into unemployment over the course of their career.
They program definitely needs to be tweaked, but I don’t think because so people take advantage of the system it should be eliminated entirely.
A lot of people posting on this topic have no idea what they are talking about. You talk about big labor unions wanting more money and benefits. Whats wrong with that? I am a construction union memeber and even with my benefits I still have to pay out of my pocket. I am currently unemployed through no fault of my own.
If it was not for unemployment many people,including myself would be over our heads. Even with unemployment benefits, life is very difficult. Unless you personally been through it, do not stick your foot in your mouth by talking about things you do not know. The tea party is a group of people who are not in touch with the reality of the average American.
Those clowns can never be allowed to put one of their own in office. If it does happen, load up on food and ammo boys, bad times are comming.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
…and what if you’re more of a technical then an entrepreneur? You are hard working as hell, but don’t have the vision to create a successful company. Intelligence and money aren’t the only keys to starting let alone running a successful business. What do those people do?
[/quote]
…Then YOU help them. If a person lacks the resources and intelligence to secure an income producing job in this economic atmosphere and cannot float on their own, then you will help him… wont you? You sound like you will. And all the other compassionate people out there, most likely friends and family, will help those around them as well.
If I dont help them, thats ok too. You do not owe them.
My beef is with “forced compassion”. Ie taking money from others to give to those in hard times… which usually comes from a voice proclaiming " [u]WE [/u] got to help those in need!!" … which is : Unemployment compensation