Understanding Tipping

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[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Really? You don’t think there are foods unique to the states or that were created here? Ever had a Coney dog? You know, named after Coney island.
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Which is a hot dog…and hot dogs are not American.

Next.[/quote]

Welllll, they kinda are American. The sausage has been around for years, ALL OVER THE WORLD. But its most likely a German immigrants that brought a version of the sausage and sauerkraut which was a staple in Germany to the US. And then intoduced the bread for the fast moving New Yorkers to eat and walk. So yes the Hot Dog is American.[/quote]

That’s hardly making it “American food”. Same with hamburgers.

I don’t know, compare it to Spanish cuisine. Thousands of dishes and the core of the Mediterranean cuisine.

I’m just making fun of HG and his “British food” comment anyways.
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Thats very American we are a mixed culture so our food is a mixture of every place and every one that shows up here with a twist. We take change until it becomes something diferent but the same. Like what we did to Hawaii.[/quote]

Yeah, that’s the thing. USA was a colony and it has a very young history of its own, which leads to having just a light culture, which includes food.

But when one thinks about “American food”, hot dogs and burgers come to mind…but they are not really American…[/quote]

Paella: widely recognized as an iconic Spanish dish. What it is: rice with meats and vegetables. I think we can agree that the Spanish did not originate that template, so by your logic then Paella is not a Spanish dish? Do you see how silly that is?

Also, anyone who equates American cuisine to hot dogs and hamburgers is completely ignorant of American culture and cuisine. [/quote]

Yet how many prepare it? How many dishes with jam�?�³n serrano are prepared outside Mediterranean area? Zero. Chorizo? Panceta? Mortadela?
They are “bacon” and “ham”, yet…

Plus, that’s not getting into the regional stuff, since paella is mostly from Valencia, like Galician Octopus is…from Galicia. It’s still Octopus though.[/quote]

Point being rice and meat isn’t any more unique than bread and meet. Hamburgers are American. As simple as they are hamburgers are just so awesome people eat them the world over, kind of like the rest of our culture, then they tell us how heavy handed, invasive and yada yada our culture is… while dipping in to their pocket willingly for their next sip of coca-cola…

Tex-mex is American, though regional and it does borrow heavily from straight Mexican.

Chinese food of the take-out variety is decidedly American.

Turduckins = American

Deep dish pizza and really any pizza as we all know it is American

Bar-B-Cue (not to be confused with grilled meat in general)

All things Cajun though most Americans don’t even truly know what Cajun food is like…

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You can put a sausage inside bread and it’s a hot dog.
If you mix meat and rice you don’t have paella…it’s just meat and rice.

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[quote]Edevus wrote:
You can put a sausage inside bread and it’s a hot dog.
If you mix meat and rice you don’t have paella…it’s just meat and rice.

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Yeah, yeah jazz up the meat and rice and you have Paella.

Put some yellow mustard, onions and ketchup on a bun wrapped sausage and it’s a hot dog.

Or better yet, have a chili dog. Chili is absolutely American, even if the real stuff is also regional.

Hotdog, bun, chili (only meat, no beans or veggies), mustard, onions = motherfucking American.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
All things Cajun though most Americans don’t even truly know what Cajun food is like…
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God, I would kill for some good Cajun food right 'bout now.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Chili is absolutely American, even if the real stuff is also regional.

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I guess I can just surrender to that logic.

I will ignore the fact that Spanish conquerors spread it around Europe and Asia where it was incorporated into their cuisine before USA even existed.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:
You can put a sausage inside bread and it’s a hot dog.
If you mix meat and rice you don’t have paella…it’s just meat and rice.

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Yeah, yeah jazz up the meat and rice and you have Paella.

Put some yellow mustard, onions and ketchup on a bun wrapped sausage and it’s a hot dog.

Or better yet, have a chili dog. Chili is absolutely American, even if the real stuff is also regional.

Hotdog, bun, chili (only meat, no beans or veggies), mustard, onions = motherfucking American.[/quote]

You, sir, need to stop posting…fucking making me hungry over here.

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[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Chili is absolutely American, even if the real stuff is also regional.

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I guess I can just surrender to that logic.

I will ignore the fact that Spanish conquerors spread it around Europe and Asia where it was incorporated into their cuisine before USA even existed.[/quote]
Now you are just lying Edevus. They may have had meat stew but they sure as fuck didn’t have chili. I’m willing to bet you’ve never had chili though and can’t hold your ignorance against you.

If rice and meat plus seasonings popular in Spain make a dish Spanish then bread and sausage with toppings popular in America make hot dogs American. Ketchup and Mustard are ours, and I don’t care if the Mustard seed originates in India. They make curry and turmeric with it, not the full monty Mustard.

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[quote]benos4752 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:
You can put a sausage inside bread and it’s a hot dog.
If you mix meat and rice you don’t have paella…it’s just meat and rice.

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Yeah, yeah jazz up the meat and rice and you have Paella.

Put some yellow mustard, onions and ketchup on a bun wrapped sausage and it’s a hot dog.

Or better yet, have a chili dog. Chili is absolutely American, even if the real stuff is also regional.

Hotdog, bun, chili (only meat, no beans or veggies), mustard, onions = motherfucking American.[/quote]

You, sir, need to stop posting…fucking making me hungry over here.[/quote]

I’m very sorry. I noticed you are in California and can totally understand your Cajun withdrawals and a desire for real chili dogs too.

Here is another one though, chicken fried steak with a side of garlic mashed potatoes, fried okra and sweet tea. Steak and potatoes smothered in white gravy and possibly tobasco sauce. Totally American dish.

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[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Chili is absolutely American, even if the real stuff is also regional.

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I guess I can just surrender to that logic.

I will ignore the fact that Spanish conquerors spread it around Europe and Asia where it was incorporated into their cuisine before USA even existed.[/quote]

So if any country besides America takes a universal concept (rice and meat, meat stew, etc) and jazzs it up with a few different spices, it’s a cultural dish. If America does it, we’re just copying another culture, no matter how we do it?

Got it. Thanks for the clearity you pompous, European hypocrite.

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^ Pork chops, ham hocks, mustard or collard greens. Squirrel dumplings.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]benos4752 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:
You can put a sausage inside bread and it’s a hot dog.
If you mix meat and rice you don’t have paella…it’s just meat and rice.

[/quote]
Yeah, yeah jazz up the meat and rice and you have Paella.

Put some yellow mustard, onions and ketchup on a bun wrapped sausage and it’s a hot dog.

Or better yet, have a chili dog. Chili is absolutely American, even if the real stuff is also regional.

Hotdog, bun, chili (only meat, no beans or veggies), mustard, onions = motherfucking American.[/quote]

You, sir, need to stop posting…fucking making me hungry over here.[/quote]

I’m very sorry. I noticed you are in California and can totally understand your Cajun withdrawals and a desire for real chili dogs too.

Here is another one though, chicken fried steak with a side of garlic mashed potatoes, fried okra and sweet tea. Steak and potatoes smothered in white gravy and possibly tobasco sauce. Totally American dish.
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BISQUITS AND FREAKING GRAVY!!! AMERICAN

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[quote]biglifter wrote:
October girl is foaming at the mouth right now. Just sayin’.[/quote]

Yea she does not believe in tipping.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Chili is absolutely American, even if the real stuff is also regional.

[/quote]

I guess I can just surrender to that logic.

I will ignore the fact that Spanish conquerors spread it around Europe and Asia where it was incorporated into their cuisine before USA even existed.[/quote]
Now you are just lying Edevus. They may have had meat stew but they sure as fuck didn’t have chili. I’m willing to bet you’ve never had chili though and can’t hold your ignorance against you.

If rice and meat plus seasonings popular in Spain make a dish Spanish then bread and sausage with toppings popular in America make hot dogs American. Ketchup and Mustard are ours, and I don’t care if the Mustard seed originates in India. They make curry and turmeric with it, not the full monty Mustard. [/quote]

USA is a very, very young country compared to most European nations (who have changed names and stuff though), thus, things like culture (which includes food) is very pale compared to Spain, Italy, Great Britain (you were a former colony, remember?), etc.

[quote]benos4752 wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Chili is absolutely American, even if the real stuff is also regional.

[/quote]

I guess I can just surrender to that logic.

I will ignore the fact that Spanish conquerors spread it around Europe and Asia where it was incorporated into their cuisine before USA even existed.[/quote]

So if any country besides America takes a universal concept (rice and meat, meat stew, etc) and jazzs it up with a few different spices, it’s a cultural dish. If America does it, we’re just copying another culture, no matter how we do it?

Got it. Thanks for the clearity you pompous, European hypocrite. [/quote]

Paella is not rice and meat. To begin with, you can have a fish paella which has nor rice, nor meat. What you are missing is that “paella” is the pan where it is cooked, not the dish itself. The dish is named after the pan where it is cooked. A special pan.

I hope this helps you with the “clearity”, whatever that is.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]benos4752 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:
You can put a sausage inside bread and it’s a hot dog.
If you mix meat and rice you don’t have paella…it’s just meat and rice.

[/quote]
Yeah, yeah jazz up the meat and rice and you have Paella.

Put some yellow mustard, onions and ketchup on a bun wrapped sausage and it’s a hot dog.

Or better yet, have a chili dog. Chili is absolutely American, even if the real stuff is also regional.

Hotdog, bun, chili (only meat, no beans or veggies), mustard, onions = motherfucking American.[/quote]

You, sir, need to stop posting…fucking making me hungry over here.[/quote]

I’m very sorry. I noticed you are in California and can totally understand your Cajun withdrawals and a desire for real chili dogs too.

Here is another one though, chicken fried steak with a side of garlic mashed potatoes, fried okra and sweet tea. Steak and potatoes smothered in white gravy and possibly tobasco sauce. Totally American dish.
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You have no idea. You can find all that here, especially here in SF, but once you’ve eaten the real thing, they can never compete.

And you’re wrong. Steak, mashed potatoes and gravy can’t be American…it was made here, so we just stole it.

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[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Chili is absolutely American, even if the real stuff is also regional.

[/quote]

I guess I can just surrender to that logic.

I will ignore the fact that Spanish conquerors spread it around Europe and Asia where it was incorporated into their cuisine before USA even existed.[/quote]
Now you are just lying Edevus. They may have had meat stew but they sure as fuck didn’t have chili. I’m willing to bet you’ve never had chili though and can’t hold your ignorance against you.

If rice and meat plus seasonings popular in Spain make a dish Spanish then bread and sausage with toppings popular in America make hot dogs American. Ketchup and Mustard are ours, and I don’t care if the Mustard seed originates in India. They make curry and turmeric with it, not the full monty Mustard. [/quote]

USA is a very, very young country compared to most European nations (who have changed names and stuff though), thus, things like culture (which includes food) is very pale compared to Spain, Italy, Great Britain (you were a former colony, remember?), etc.

[quote]benos4752 wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Chili is absolutely American, even if the real stuff is also regional.

[/quote]

I guess I can just surrender to that logic.

I will ignore the fact that Spanish conquerors spread it around Europe and Asia where it was incorporated into their cuisine before USA even existed.[/quote]

So if any country besides America takes a universal concept (rice and meat, meat stew, etc) and jazzs it up with a few different spices, it’s a cultural dish. If America does it, we’re just copying another culture, no matter how we do it?

Got it. Thanks for the clearity you pompous, European hypocrite. [/quote]

Paella is not rice and meat. To begin with, you can have a fish paella which has nor rice, nor meat. What you are missing is that “paella” is the pan where it is cooked, not the dish itself. The dish is named after the pan where it is cooked. A special pan.

I hope this helps you with the “clearity”, whatever that is.[/quote]We may be young but our food is better, just like every thing else.

Especially better than British food. Fucking gross.

I don’t care where Paella gets it’s name. Just focus on ingredients. Rice and meat. Fish. Meat no rice. Rice no meat. Rice and Fish. All cultures eat the same thing, with their own twists.

Spanish food is not Spanish if American is not American by your own logic. How is that for “Clarity”?

I suppose it stands to reason that we have magical trees with special fruits and food sources no one has ever heard of outside of the US since we are so fucking awesome but we don’t. Just our own twists on the food sources every one recognizes. Fucking awesome twists.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]benos4752 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:
You can put a sausage inside bread and it’s a hot dog.
If you mix meat and rice you don’t have paella…it’s just meat and rice.

[/quote]
Yeah, yeah jazz up the meat and rice and you have Paella.

Put some yellow mustard, onions and ketchup on a bun wrapped sausage and it’s a hot dog.

Or better yet, have a chili dog. Chili is absolutely American, even if the real stuff is also regional.

Hotdog, bun, chili (only meat, no beans or veggies), mustard, onions = motherfucking American.[/quote]

You, sir, need to stop posting…fucking making me hungry over here.[/quote]

I’m very sorry. I noticed you are in California and can totally understand your Cajun withdrawals and a desire for real chili dogs too.

Here is another one though, chicken fried steak with a side of garlic mashed potatoes, fried okra and sweet tea. Steak and potatoes smothered in white gravy and possibly tobasco sauce. Totally American dish.
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BISQUITS AND FREAKING GRAVY!!! AMERICAN[/quote]I fucking love “shingles”.

Oh, and cheese grits with tabasco or my favorite, Cholula sauce.

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Dumping Hawaiian Ice cones and Sweat Potato Pie on this country for years and more to come.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Chili is absolutely American, even if the real stuff is also regional.

[/quote]

I guess I can just surrender to that logic.

I will ignore the fact that Spanish conquerors spread it around Europe and Asia where it was incorporated into their cuisine before USA even existed.[/quote]
Now you are just lying Edevus. They may have had meat stew but they sure as fuck didn’t have chili. I’m willing to bet you’ve never had chili though and can’t hold your ignorance against you.

If rice and meat plus seasonings popular in Spain make a dish Spanish then bread and sausage with toppings popular in America make hot dogs American. Ketchup and Mustard are ours, and I don’t care if the Mustard seed originates in India. They make curry and turmeric with it, not the full monty Mustard. [/quote]

USA is a very, very young country compared to most European nations (who have changed names and stuff though), thus, things like culture (which includes food) is very pale compared to Spain, Italy, Great Britain (you were a former colony, remember?), etc.

[quote]benos4752 wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Chili is absolutely American, even if the real stuff is also regional.

[/quote]

I guess I can just surrender to that logic.

I will ignore the fact that Spanish conquerors spread it around Europe and Asia where it was incorporated into their cuisine before USA even existed.[/quote]

So if any country besides America takes a universal concept (rice and meat, meat stew, etc) and jazzs it up with a few different spices, it’s a cultural dish. If America does it, we’re just copying another culture, no matter how we do it?

Got it. Thanks for the clearity you pompous, European hypocrite. [/quote]

Paella is not rice and meat. To begin with, you can have a fish paella which has nor rice, nor meat. What you are missing is that “paella” is the pan where it is cooked, not the dish itself. The dish is named after the pan where it is cooked. A special pan.

I hope this helps you with the “clearity”, whatever that is.[/quote]We may be young but our food is better, just like every thing else.

Especially better than British food. Fucking gross.

I don’t care where Paella gets it’s name. Just focus on ingredients. Rice and meat. Fish. Meat no rice. Rice no meat. Rice and Fish. All cultures eat the same thing, with their own twists.

Spanish food is not Spanish if American is not American by your own logic. How is that for “Clarity”?

I suppose it stands to reason that we have magical trees with special fruits and food sources no one has ever heard of outside of the US since we are so fucking awesome but we don’t. Just our own twists on the food sources every one recognizes. Fucking awesome twists.

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I agree with HoustonGuy

British food is fucking gross.

American eat better and we fuck better too! The reason we fuck better is because of our food that we grow in America.

In all seriousness there absolutely is “American” foods and cuisines depending on their regions. Also, American food does in fact take from different influences.

America was the home of the immigrants and when they came to this country they brought many ingredients with them.

It all depends on preparation, presentation, and the way you cook it that makes it '“American”

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
We may be young but our food is better, just like every thing else.

Especially better than British food. Fucking gross.

I don’t care where Paella gets it’s name. Just focus on ingredients. Rice and meat. Fish. Meat no rice. Rice no meat. Rice and Fish. All cultures eat the same thing, with their own twists.

Spanish food is not Spanish if American is not American by your own logic. How is that for “Clarity”?

I suppose it stands to reason that we have magical trees with special fruits and food sources no one has ever heard of outside of the US since we are so fucking awesome but we don’t. Just our own twists on the food sources every one recognizes. Fucking awesome twists.

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Again, I have to surrender to that logic. First you say something is not true, then you accuse me of lying, I show you the proof that you are wrong and…we go through the arrogance route.

And just because I’m feeling fine with this discussion :

I don’t care where Paella gets it’s name.

I’m sure you meant “its name”.

wink

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[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
We may be young but our food is better, just like every thing else.

Especially better than British food. Fucking gross.

I don’t care where Paella gets it’s name. Just focus on ingredients. Rice and meat. Fish. Meat no rice. Rice no meat. Rice and Fish. All cultures eat the same thing, with their own twists.
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Spanish food is not Spanish if American is not American by your own logic. How is that for “Clarity”?

I suppose it stands to reason that we have magical trees with special fruits and food sources no one has ever heard of outside of the US since we are so fucking awesome but we don’t. Just our own twists on the food sources every one recognizes. Fucking awesome twists.

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Again, I have to surrender to that logic. First you say something is not true, then you accuse me of lying, I show you the proof that you are wrong and…we go through the arrogance route.

And just because I’m feeling fine with this discussion :

I don’t care where Paella gets it’s name.

I’m sure you meant “its name”.

wink

[/quote]Yes I did mean its. Android fucks me often but, as I am American, if I say it’s it’s, it is and that’s that.