Understanding Tipping

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
It won’t matter what country I’m visiting/living. If I’m waiting for the food for too long, or the waiters/waitress take their time to come back to my table to get my order for drinks or food, they don’t smile, no eye contact, blah blah… well if the service is really not that great and the food taste like shit, they won’t get my money. [/quote]

10 bucks says you’ve never worked in a restaurant.

I’d say 9 times out of 10 I hear something like this it’s because people have never worked in a restaurant setting. I don’t know what you’ve been told growing up, but waiters and waitresses are not responsible for HOW the food is cooked, how FAST the food is cooked, and so many other things.

I love the people that believe the world is going to cater itself to you. Yes, the wait staff is supposed to do their job to their best ability, but their job is to keep your drinks coming and to basically ONLY relay orders between you and the cooking staff. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FOOD. So I understand the “quality” of wait service, but the rest is irrelevant and moot.

Again, it’s simply more justifications for being cheap/shitty people.

People sometimes.[/quote]

So tipping amount shouldn’t be representative of the quality of the food?
[/quote]

God no, why would you base your evaluation of your server on how the cook performed his job? If you take your car to a mechanic and he screws it up, do you blame the company that made the car?

If your food is shitty, you SHOULD say something. Tell your waiter or waitress what was wrong, and if it is a halfway decent business, they will do something to rectify the situation, or they will tell the manager, who will handle it personally. A tip is intended to reward good service, and, like many other people have already pointed out, servers do not prepare the food. Being too afraid to speak up, and instead just punishing the waiter who did nothing wrong, is a pussy move.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Wow, why are you so offended? Lol. Are you a waiter? Damn. Stop calling me cheap. You offend me :frowning:

Well if the food is taking long to come, I expect the staff to come to me and tells me what’s up. If they take my order and disappear for a good 40 mins and only turn up later with the food, they ain’t getting my money. And that has happened to me before.
Yes, I got it wrong with the food taking too long or tastes like crap, yes it has nothing to do with the waiter, but the rest you’ve quoted, I stand by it.

And by the way I waited tables when I was younger. I found it kinda boring, I must say. It was crap pocket money but at least I learnt a great deal about good customer service and how you wouldn’t want to be treated as a patron or as staff.

That’s why whenever I go to a restaurant, as soon as I enter the premises, I expect good service. You take too long to serve me, no eye contact, no communication and smile. Bam! No tip, mama!! I ain’t cheap but I don’t share my hard earned money with people who don’t deserve it.
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Haha, my apologies. I get so riled up about this for some reason, I have no idea why either.

Like I kinda mentioned, I definitely understand the criticisms against the actual service for wait staff. Some people just aren’t meant to do it, introverts, quiet/shy types and people who aren’t very confident definitely don’t seem to do well at the position. I don’t think it’s an excuse for bad service, but I think it’s a skill set that’s more inherent than a lot of other ones. In my (apparently not so humble) opinion, I guess I like to use kind of a template when tipping.

Like, I guess I’ll factor in time of day (strength of staff) vs how busy it is, how personable and unique the wait staff is, how many times we’ve been checked upon, etc. Helps me keep a mental model of the bare-bones that I should expect, what I should reasonably expect, and what really qualifies as excellent service. Again, I guess that’s just me though.

And wait staff jobs blow, I would never do it. Did work quite a few restaurant jobs for a while, so I saw a lot of good/bad shit first hand. Ah well.

Theraj, it’s tough to say. How good or bad food tastes is an extremely subjective quality. If you’re going to a big-chain restaurant and expect a 5-course meal I think it’s a little ridiculous. If food is going to affect my tipping in any way it’s probably because of shitty or small portions, if anything, haha.

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[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
It won’t matter what country I’m visiting/living. If I’m waiting for the food for too long, or the waiters/waitress take their time to come back to my table to get my order for drinks or food, they don’t smile, no eye contact, blah blah… well if the service is really not that great and the food taste like shit, they won’t get my money. [/quote]

10 bucks says you’ve never worked in a restaurant.

I’d say 9 times out of 10 I hear something like this it’s because people have never worked in a restaurant setting. I don’t know what you’ve been told growing up, but waiters and waitresses are not responsible for HOW the food is cooked, how FAST the food is cooked, and so many other things.

I love the people that believe the world is going to cater itself to you. Yes, the wait staff is supposed to do their job to their best ability, but their job is to keep your drinks coming and to basically ONLY relay orders between you and the cooking staff. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FOOD. So I understand the “quality” of wait service, but the rest is irrelevant and moot.

Again, it’s simply more justifications for being cheap/shitty people.

People sometimes.[/quote]

So tipping amount shouldn’t be representative of the quality of the food?
[/quote]

God no, why would you base your evaluation of your server on how the cook performed his job? If you take your car to a mechanic and he screws it up, do you blame the company that made the car?

If your food is shitty, you SHOULD say something. Tell your waiter or waitress what was wrong, and if it is a halfway decent business, they will do something to rectify the situation, or they will tell the manager, who will handle it personally. A tip is intended to reward good service, and, like many other people have already pointed out, servers do not prepare the food. Being too afraid to speak up, and instead just punishing the waiter who did nothing wrong, is a pussy move.
[/quote]

To answer your question, I would blame the car company if I was getting my car fixed at a dealership, and that’s the only way your analogy applies.

yes and no to the next part. I see what you’re saying in that it’s not the servers fault, but I think it’s unfair to ask the customer to compartmentalize their dining experience. If the patron wants to tip based solely on the performance of the waiter and bus boy (how clean the table was before being seated) that’s fine, but I don’t think you can fault a patron for tipping less than adequately due to poor food.

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Wow, why are you so offended? Lol. Are you a waiter? Damn. Stop calling me cheap. You offend me :frowning:

Well if the food is taking long to come, I expect the staff to come to me and tells me what’s up. If they take my order and disappear for a good 40 mins and only turn up later with the food, they ain’t getting my money. And that has happened to me before.
Yes, I got it wrong with the food taking too long or tastes like crap, yes it has nothing to do with the waiter, but the rest you’ve quoted, I stand by it.

And by the way I waited tables when I was younger. I found it kinda boring, I must say. It was crap pocket money but at least I learnt a great deal about good customer service and how you wouldn’t want to be treated as a patron or as staff.

That’s why whenever I go to a restaurant, as soon as I enter the premises, I expect good service. You take too long to serve me, no eye contact, no communication and smile. Bam! No tip, mama!! I ain’t cheap but I don’t share my hard earned money with people who don’t deserve it.
[/quote]

Haha, my apologies. I get so riled up about this for some reason, I have no idea why either.

Like I kinda mentioned, I definitely understand the criticisms against the actual service for wait staff. Some people just aren’t meant to do it, introverts, quiet/shy types and people who aren’t very confident definitely don’t seem to do well at the position. I don’t think it’s an excuse for bad service, but I think it’s a skill set that’s more inherent than a lot of other ones. In my (apparently not so humble) opinion, I guess I like to use kind of a template when tipping.

Like, I guess I’ll factor in time of day (strength of staff) vs how busy it is, how personable and unique the wait staff is, how many times we’ve been checked upon, etc. Helps me keep a mental model of the bare-bones that I should expect, what I should reasonably expect, and what really qualifies as excellent service. Again, I guess that’s just me though.

And wait staff jobs blow, I would never do it. Did work quite a few restaurant jobs for a while, so I saw a lot of good/bad shit first hand. Ah well.

Theraj, it’s tough to say. How good or bad food tastes is an extremely subjective quality. If you’re going to a big-chain restaurant and expect a 5-course meal I think it’s a little ridiculous. If food is going to affect my tipping in any way it’s probably because of shitty or small portions, if anything, haha.[/quote]

Point taken :slight_smile:

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Good Service = Good Tip. I usually tip well because I hate the sterotype that Black folks don’t tip (well). Self inflicted Reverse Racism at its best.

Also, when I have poor service, I will occasionally serve myself (refills). Doesn’t go over well with the establishment but who’s going to say something? lol - Once of the French benefits (said french on purp) of being abnormal. Take the benefits where you can guys, you work hard enough for it.

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I always tip if the service is good and pull no punches to not tip if service blew it.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
It won’t matter what country I’m visiting/living. If I’m waiting for the food for too long, or the waiters/waitress take their time to come back to my table to get my order for drinks or food, they don’t smile, no eye contact, blah blah… well if the service is really not that great and the food taste like shit, they won’t get my money. [/quote]

10 bucks says you’ve never worked in a restaurant.

I’d say 9 times out of 10 I hear something like this it’s because people have never worked in a restaurant setting. I don’t know what you’ve been told growing up, but waiters and waitresses are not responsible for HOW the food is cooked, how FAST the food is cooked, and so many other things.

I love the people that believe the world is going to cater itself to you. Yes, the wait staff is supposed to do their job to their best ability, but their job is to keep your drinks coming and to basically ONLY relay orders between you and the cooking staff. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FOOD. So I understand the “quality” of wait service, but the rest is irrelevant and moot.

Again, it’s simply more justifications for being cheap/shitty people.

People sometimes.[/quote]

So tipping amount shouldn’t be representative of the quality of the food?
[/quote]

God no, why would you base your evaluation of your server on how the cook performed his job? If you take your car to a mechanic and he screws it up, do you blame the company that made the car?

If your food is shitty, you SHOULD say something. Tell your waiter or waitress what was wrong, and if it is a halfway decent business, they will do something to rectify the situation, or they will tell the manager, who will handle it personally. A tip is intended to reward good service, and, like many other people have already pointed out, servers do not prepare the food. Being too afraid to speak up, and instead just punishing the waiter who did nothing wrong, is a pussy move.
[/quote]

To answer your question, I would blame the car company if I was getting my car fixed at a dealership, and that’s the only way your analogy applies.

yes and no to the next part. I see what you’re saying in that it’s not the servers fault, but I think it’s unfair to ask the customer to compartmentalize their dining experience. If the patron wants to tip based solely on the performance of the waiter and bus boy (how clean the table was before being seated) that’s fine, but I don’t think you can fault a patron for tipping less than adequately due to poor food.

[/quote]

Raj

Given some of your posts that I’ve read here and there, if we were ever to meet somehow, I think the first thing I would do is punch you right in the face. I wouldn’t even be mad or continue hitting/kicking or anything. It just seems like punching you in the face would be the appropriate way to say hello.

Regards,

HG.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
It won’t matter what country I’m visiting/living. If I’m waiting for the food for too long, or the waiters/waitress take their time to come back to my table to get my order for drinks or food, they don’t smile, no eye contact, blah blah… well if the service is really not that great and the food taste like shit, they won’t get my money. [/quote]

10 bucks says you’ve never worked in a restaurant.

I’d say 9 times out of 10 I hear something like this it’s because people have never worked in a restaurant setting. I don’t know what you’ve been told growing up, but waiters and waitresses are not responsible for HOW the food is cooked, how FAST the food is cooked, and so many other things.

I love the people that believe the world is going to cater itself to you. Yes, the wait staff is supposed to do their job to their best ability, but their job is to keep your drinks coming and to basically ONLY relay orders between you and the cooking staff. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FOOD. So I understand the “quality” of wait service, but the rest is irrelevant and moot.

Again, it’s simply more justifications for being cheap/shitty people.

People sometimes.[/quote]

So tipping amount shouldn’t be representative of the quality of the food?
[/quote]

God no, why would you base your evaluation of your server on how the cook performed his job? If you take your car to a mechanic and he screws it up, do you blame the company that made the car?

If your food is shitty, you SHOULD say something. Tell your waiter or waitress what was wrong, and if it is a halfway decent business, they will do something to rectify the situation, or they will tell the manager, who will handle it personally. A tip is intended to reward good service, and, like many other people have already pointed out, servers do not prepare the food. Being too afraid to speak up, and instead just punishing the waiter who did nothing wrong, is a pussy move.
[/quote]

To answer your question, I would blame the car company if I was getting my car fixed at a dealership, and that’s the only way your analogy applies.

yes and no to the next part. I see what you’re saying in that it’s not the servers fault, but I think it’s unfair to ask the customer to compartmentalize their dining experience. If the patron wants to tip based solely on the performance of the waiter and bus boy (how clean the table was before being seated) that’s fine, but I don’t think you can fault a patron for tipping less than adequately due to poor food.

[/quote]

Raj

Given some of your posts that I’ve read here and there, if we were ever to meet somehow, I think the first thing I would do is punch you right in the face. I wouldn’t even be mad or continue hitting/kicking or anything. It just seems like punching you in the face would be the appropriate way to say hello.

Regards,

HG.
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HG you should never hit the retarded, no matter how retarded they act. I know it sounds like a good idea, but you know God made them retarded so that is punishment enough.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
It won’t matter what country I’m visiting/living. If I’m waiting for the food for too long, or the waiters/waitress take their time to come back to my table to get my order for drinks or food, they don’t smile, no eye contact, blah blah… well if the service is really not that great and the food taste like shit, they won’t get my money. [/quote]

10 bucks says you’ve never worked in a restaurant.

I’d say 9 times out of 10 I hear something like this it’s because people have never worked in a restaurant setting. I don’t know what you’ve been told growing up, but waiters and waitresses are not responsible for HOW the food is cooked, how FAST the food is cooked, and so many other things.

I love the people that believe the world is going to cater itself to you. Yes, the wait staff is supposed to do their job to their best ability, but their job is to keep your drinks coming and to basically ONLY relay orders between you and the cooking staff. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FOOD. So I understand the “quality” of wait service, but the rest is irrelevant and moot.

Again, it’s simply more justifications for being cheap/shitty people.

People sometimes.[/quote]

So tipping amount shouldn’t be representative of the quality of the food?
[/quote]

God no, why would you base your evaluation of your server on how the cook performed his job? If you take your car to a mechanic and he screws it up, do you blame the company that made the car?

If your food is shitty, you SHOULD say something. Tell your waiter or waitress what was wrong, and if it is a halfway decent business, they will do something to rectify the situation, or they will tell the manager, who will handle it personally. A tip is intended to reward good service, and, like many other people have already pointed out, servers do not prepare the food. Being too afraid to speak up, and instead just punishing the waiter who did nothing wrong, is a pussy move.
[/quote]

To answer your question, I would blame the car company if I was getting my car fixed at a dealership, and that’s the only way your analogy applies.

yes and no to the next part. I see what you’re saying in that it’s not the servers fault, but I think it’s unfair to ask the customer to compartmentalize their dining experience. If the patron wants to tip based solely on the performance of the waiter and bus boy (how clean the table was before being seated) that’s fine, but I don’t think you can fault a patron for tipping less than adequately due to poor food.

[/quote]

Raj

Given some of your posts that I’ve read here and there, if we were ever to meet somehow, I think the first thing I would do is punch you right in the face. I wouldn’t even be mad or continue hitting/kicking or anything. It just seems like punching you in the face would be the appropriate way to say hello.

Regards,

HG.
[/quote]

HG you should never hit the retarded, no matter how retarded they act. I know it sounds like a good idea, but you know God made them retarded so that is punishment enough.
[/quote]

I suppose this is true. God can forgive me later however, I’m only human. One knuckle sandwich coming right up, no tipping expected.

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[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Really? You don’t think there are foods unique to the states or that were created here? Ever had a Coney dog? You know, named after Coney island.
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Which is a hot dog…and hot dogs are not American.

Next.[/quote]

Welllll, they kinda are American. The sausage has been around for years, ALL OVER THE WORLD. But its most likely a German immigrants that brought a version of the sausage and sauerkraut which was a staple in Germany to the US. And then intoduced the bread for the fast moving New Yorkers to eat and walk. So yes the Hot Dog is American.[/quote]

That’s hardly making it “American food”. Same with hamburgers.

I don’t know, compare it to Spanish cuisine. Thousands of dishes and the core of the Mediterranean cuisine.

I’m just making fun of HG and his “British food” comment anyways.
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Thats very American we are a mixed culture so our food is a mixture of every place and every one that shows up here with a twist. We take change until it becomes something diferent but the same. Like what we did to Hawaii.[/quote]

Yeah, that’s the thing. USA was a colony and it has a very young history of its own, which leads to having just a light culture, which includes food.

But when one thinks about “American food”, hot dogs and burgers come to mind…but they are not really American…[/quote]

Paella: widely recognized as an iconic Spanish dish. What it is: rice with meats and vegetables. I think we can agree that the Spanish did not originate that template, so by your logic then Paella is not a Spanish dish? Do you see how silly that is?

Also, anyone who equates American cuisine to hot dogs and hamburgers is completely ignorant of American culture and cuisine.

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[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
It won’t matter what country I’m visiting/living. If I’m waiting for the food for too long, or the waiters/waitress take their time to come back to my table to get my order for drinks or food, they don’t smile, no eye contact, blah blah… well if the service is really not that great and the food taste like shit, they won’t get my money. [/quote]

10 bucks says you’ve never worked in a restaurant.

I’d say 9 times out of 10 I hear something like this it’s because people have never worked in a restaurant setting. I don’t know what you’ve been told growing up, but waiters and waitresses are not responsible for HOW the food is cooked, how FAST the food is cooked, and so many other things.

I love the people that believe the world is going to cater itself to you. Yes, the wait staff is supposed to do their job to their best ability, but their job is to keep your drinks coming and to basically ONLY relay orders between you and the cooking staff. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FOOD. So I understand the “quality” of wait service, but the rest is irrelevant and moot.

Again, it’s simply more justifications for being cheap/shitty people.

People sometimes.[/quote]

So tipping amount shouldn’t be representative of the quality of the food?
[/quote]

God no, why would you base your evaluation of your server on how the cook performed his job? If you take your car to a mechanic and he screws it up, do you blame the company that made the car?

If your food is shitty, you SHOULD say something. Tell your waiter or waitress what was wrong, and if it is a halfway decent business, they will do something to rectify the situation, or they will tell the manager, who will handle it personally. A tip is intended to reward good service, and, like many other people have already pointed out, servers do not prepare the food. Being too afraid to speak up, and instead just punishing the waiter who did nothing wrong, is a pussy move.
[/quote]

The fuck you talking about?

Half the time that we say we wont tip because of shitty service, white knight wannabes bitch about how our tip is divided throughout the staff. Then when food quality/taste gets brought up, we are told we shouldn’t have it effect tip? How so? If my tip is going to be divided up and given to the kitchen staff, you better fucking believe I’m going to let taste and quality effect my tip.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

Paella: widely recognized as an iconic Spanish dish. What it is: rice with meats and vegetables. I think we can agree that the Spanish did not originate that template, so by your logic then Paella is not a Spanish dish? Do you see how silly that is?

Also, anyone who equates American cuisine to hot dogs and hamburgers is completely ignorant of American culture and cuisine.

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Agreed.

And anyone who states there is no such thing as American food is naive.
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I think turning up noses at American cuisine is the “cool thing to do” around the world. Don’t blame us because you guys like low-quality, cheap fried foods as much as we do. That doesn’t mean fast food represents the totality of American innovation in the culinary arts.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
It won’t matter what country I’m visiting/living. If I’m waiting for the food for too long, or the waiters/waitress take their time to come back to my table to get my order for drinks or food, they don’t smile, no eye contact, blah blah… well if the service is really not that great and the food taste like shit, they won’t get my money. [/quote]

10 bucks says you’ve never worked in a restaurant.

I’d say 9 times out of 10 I hear something like this it’s because people have never worked in a restaurant setting. I don’t know what you’ve been told growing up, but waiters and waitresses are not responsible for HOW the food is cooked, how FAST the food is cooked, and so many other things.

I love the people that believe the world is going to cater itself to you. Yes, the wait staff is supposed to do their job to their best ability, but their job is to keep your drinks coming and to basically ONLY relay orders between you and the cooking staff. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FOOD. So I understand the “quality” of wait service, but the rest is irrelevant and moot.

Again, it’s simply more justifications for being cheap/shitty people.

People sometimes.[/quote]

So tipping amount shouldn’t be representative of the quality of the food?
[/quote]

God no, why would you base your evaluation of your server on how the cook performed his job? If you take your car to a mechanic and he screws it up, do you blame the company that made the car?

If your food is shitty, you SHOULD say something. Tell your waiter or waitress what was wrong, and if it is a halfway decent business, they will do something to rectify the situation, or they will tell the manager, who will handle it personally. A tip is intended to reward good service, and, like many other people have already pointed out, servers do not prepare the food. Being too afraid to speak up, and instead just punishing the waiter who did nothing wrong, is a pussy move.
[/quote]

To answer your question, I would blame the car company if I was getting my car fixed at a dealership, and that’s the only way your analogy applies.

yes and no to the next part. I see what you’re saying in that it’s not the servers fault, but I think it’s unfair to ask the customer to compartmentalize their dining experience. If the patron wants to tip based solely on the performance of the waiter and bus boy (how clean the table was before being seated) that’s fine, but I don’t think you can fault a patron for tipping less than adequately due to poor food.

[/quote]

Raj

Given some of your posts that I’ve read here and there, if we were ever to meet somehow, I think the first thing I would do is punch you right in the face. I wouldn’t even be mad or continue hitting/kicking or anything. It just seems like punching you in the face would be the appropriate way to say hello.

Regards,

HG.
[/quote]

Put me on ignore if you don’t like my posts and go fuck yourself you worthless POS.

Don’t bother addressing a post to me again, I’m not going to respond.

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[quote]benos4752 wrote:

[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
It won’t matter what country I’m visiting/living. If I’m waiting for the food for too long, or the waiters/waitress take their time to come back to my table to get my order for drinks or food, they don’t smile, no eye contact, blah blah… well if the service is really not that great and the food taste like shit, they won’t get my money. [/quote]

10 bucks says you’ve never worked in a restaurant.

I’d say 9 times out of 10 I hear something like this it’s because people have never worked in a restaurant setting. I don’t know what you’ve been told growing up, but waiters and waitresses are not responsible for HOW the food is cooked, how FAST the food is cooked, and so many other things.

I love the people that believe the world is going to cater itself to you. Yes, the wait staff is supposed to do their job to their best ability, but their job is to keep your drinks coming and to basically ONLY relay orders between you and the cooking staff. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FOOD. So I understand the “quality” of wait service, but the rest is irrelevant and moot.

Again, it’s simply more justifications for being cheap/shitty people.

People sometimes.[/quote]

So tipping amount shouldn’t be representative of the quality of the food?
[/quote]

God no, why would you base your evaluation of your server on how the cook performed his job? If you take your car to a mechanic and he screws it up, do you blame the company that made the car?

If your food is shitty, you SHOULD say something. Tell your waiter or waitress what was wrong, and if it is a halfway decent business, they will do something to rectify the situation, or they will tell the manager, who will handle it personally. A tip is intended to reward good service, and, like many other people have already pointed out, servers do not prepare the food. Being too afraid to speak up, and instead just punishing the waiter who did nothing wrong, is a pussy move.
[/quote]

The fuck you talking about?

Half the time that we say we wont tip because of shitty service, white knight wannabes bitch about how our tip is divided throughout the staff. Then when food quality/taste gets brought up, we are told we shouldn’t have it effect tip? How so? If my tip is going to be divided up and given to the kitchen staff, you better fucking believe I’m going to let taste and quality effect my tip.[/quote]

So how do they know the food tasted bad /hence bad tip versus you’re just a cheap asshole?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
It won’t matter what country I’m visiting/living. If I’m waiting for the food for too long, or the waiters/waitress take their time to come back to my table to get my order for drinks or food, they don’t smile, no eye contact, blah blah… well if the service is really not that great and the food taste like shit, they won’t get my money. [/quote]

10 bucks says you’ve never worked in a restaurant.

I’d say 9 times out of 10 I hear something like this it’s because people have never worked in a restaurant setting. I don’t know what you’ve been told growing up, but waiters and waitresses are not responsible for HOW the food is cooked, how FAST the food is cooked, and so many other things.

I love the people that believe the world is going to cater itself to you. Yes, the wait staff is supposed to do their job to their best ability, but their job is to keep your drinks coming and to basically ONLY relay orders between you and the cooking staff. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FOOD. So I understand the “quality” of wait service, but the rest is irrelevant and moot.

Again, it’s simply more justifications for being cheap/shitty people.

People sometimes.[/quote]

So tipping amount shouldn’t be representative of the quality of the food?
[/quote]

God no, why would you base your evaluation of your server on how the cook performed his job? If you take your car to a mechanic and he screws it up, do you blame the company that made the car?

If your food is shitty, you SHOULD say something. Tell your waiter or waitress what was wrong, and if it is a halfway decent business, they will do something to rectify the situation, or they will tell the manager, who will handle it personally. A tip is intended to reward good service, and, like many other people have already pointed out, servers do not prepare the food. Being too afraid to speak up, and instead just punishing the waiter who did nothing wrong, is a pussy move.
[/quote]

To answer your question, I would blame the car company if I was getting my car fixed at a dealership, and that’s the only way your analogy applies.

yes and no to the next part. I see what you’re saying in that it’s not the servers fault, but I think it’s unfair to ask the customer to compartmentalize their dining experience. If the patron wants to tip based solely on the performance of the waiter and bus boy (how clean the table was before being seated) that’s fine, but I don’t think you can fault a patron for tipping less than adequately due to poor food.

[/quote]

Raj

Given some of your posts that I’ve read here and there, if we were ever to meet somehow, I think the first thing I would do is punch you right in the face. I wouldn’t even be mad or continue hitting/kicking or anything. It just seems like punching you in the face would be the appropriate way to say hello.

Regards,

HG.
[/quote]

Put me on ignore if you don’t like my posts and go fuck yourself you worthless POS.

Don’t bother addressing a post to me again, I’m not going to respond.

[/quote]

You Canadians are so sensitive?
Must be the frosty nipples???

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[quote]shorty_blitz wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Many sales people are on straight commission and 0 wage, retard. Tipping encourages better service just the same and is an expected form of compensation for service rendered as we do not include mandatory service charges.
[/quote]

0 wage hahahahaha WTF, is this really true wow
This would never happen here in the UK… and I’m the retard?![/quote]

If you are are proposing that the concept of commission sales does not exist in the UK, that question kind of answers itself.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Really? You don’t think there are foods unique to the states or that were created here? Ever had a Coney dog? You know, named after Coney island.
[/quote]

Which is a hot dog…and hot dogs are not American.

Next.[/quote]

Welllll, they kinda are American. The sausage has been around for years, ALL OVER THE WORLD. But its most likely a German immigrants that brought a version of the sausage and sauerkraut which was a staple in Germany to the US. And then intoduced the bread for the fast moving New Yorkers to eat and walk. So yes the Hot Dog is American.[/quote]

That’s hardly making it “American food”. Same with hamburgers.

I don’t know, compare it to Spanish cuisine. Thousands of dishes and the core of the Mediterranean cuisine.

I’m just making fun of HG and his “British food” comment anyways.
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Thats very American we are a mixed culture so our food is a mixture of every place and every one that shows up here with a twist. We take change until it becomes something diferent but the same. Like what we did to Hawaii.[/quote]

Yeah, that’s the thing. USA was a colony and it has a very young history of its own, which leads to having just a light culture, which includes food.

But when one thinks about “American food”, hot dogs and burgers come to mind…but they are not really American…[/quote]

Paella: widely recognized as an iconic Spanish dish. What it is: rice with meats and vegetables. I think we can agree that the Spanish did not originate that template, so by your logic then Paella is not a Spanish dish? Do you see how silly that is?

Also, anyone who equates American cuisine to hot dogs and hamburgers is completely ignorant of American culture and cuisine. [/quote]

Yet how many prepare it? How many dishes with jam�³n serrano are prepared outside Mediterranean area? Zero. Chorizo? Panceta? Mortadela?
They are “bacon” and “ham”, yet…

Plus, that’s not getting into the regional stuff, since paella is mostly from Valencia, like Galician Octopus is…from Galicia. It’s still Octopus though.

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[quote]Loudog75 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]eeu743 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
It won’t matter what country I’m visiting/living. If I’m waiting for the food for too long, or the waiters/waitress take their time to come back to my table to get my order for drinks or food, they don’t smile, no eye contact, blah blah… well if the service is really not that great and the food taste like shit, they won’t get my money. [/quote]

10 bucks says you’ve never worked in a restaurant.

I’d say 9 times out of 10 I hear something like this it’s because people have never worked in a restaurant setting. I don’t know what you’ve been told growing up, but waiters and waitresses are not responsible for HOW the food is cooked, how FAST the food is cooked, and so many other things.

I love the people that believe the world is going to cater itself to you. Yes, the wait staff is supposed to do their job to their best ability, but their job is to keep your drinks coming and to basically ONLY relay orders between you and the cooking staff. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FOOD. So I understand the “quality” of wait service, but the rest is irrelevant and moot.

Again, it’s simply more justifications for being cheap/shitty people.

People sometimes.[/quote]

So tipping amount shouldn’t be representative of the quality of the food?
[/quote]

God no, why would you base your evaluation of your server on how the cook performed his job? If you take your car to a mechanic and he screws it up, do you blame the company that made the car?

If your food is shitty, you SHOULD say something. Tell your waiter or waitress what was wrong, and if it is a halfway decent business, they will do something to rectify the situation, or they will tell the manager, who will handle it personally. A tip is intended to reward good service, and, like many other people have already pointed out, servers do not prepare the food. Being too afraid to speak up, and instead just punishing the waiter who did nothing wrong, is a pussy move.
[/quote]

To answer your question, I would blame the car company if I was getting my car fixed at a dealership, and that’s the only way your analogy applies.

yes and no to the next part. I see what you’re saying in that it’s not the servers fault, but I think it’s unfair to ask the customer to compartmentalize their dining experience. If the patron wants to tip based solely on the performance of the waiter and bus boy (how clean the table was before being seated) that’s fine, but I don’t think you can fault a patron for tipping less than adequately due to poor food.

[/quote]

Raj

Given some of your posts that I’ve read here and there, if we were ever to meet somehow, I think the first thing I would do is punch you right in the face. I wouldn’t even be mad or continue hitting/kicking or anything. It just seems like punching you in the face would be the appropriate way to say hello.

Regards,

HG.
[/quote]

Put me on ignore if you don’t like my posts and go fuck yourself you worthless POS.

Don’t bother addressing a post to me again, I’m not going to respond.

[/quote]

You Canadians are so sensitive?
Must be the frosty nipples???[/quote]

Hahahaha!!!

I said I wasn’t even mad! Now I’d punch him in the face to say hi and kick him in the nuts directly after for being a bitch.

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Me likey hamburgah!

Is there anything more American than that?