Uncooked Oatmeal

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Molsoman, in a little tiny defense of the forum regulars who were “trolling this thread” please remember that CT and Mike Mahler’s seminar is today and that all the references to the kettle bells were made by those who have gathered at Patricia and Ko’s home for that event. They were just goofing around and having a little fun at our expense. Try to picture it, all of them at one house, taking turns hijacking this thread. It’s silly, but if you were there it would be fun, don’t you think?

Just laugh at it and let it go.

The topic is minutia, but I’m interested in minutia sometimes. I thought the thread was interesting. I get off on tangents similar to this sometimes too. It doesn’t mean I’m not lifting! Nutrition is just a topic that interests me.

Lisa

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I wasnt trolling. I was weighing in on the subject. Thats it. No more fun for me. From now on im only gonna be serious Jay and not have fun at others expense on the internet Jay. Good Luck to all.

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do I see tears?

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Old fashioned oatmeal is steamed and rolled. As such I don’t think it falls under the raw unprocessed grain category even if eaten out of the box without further cooking.

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Ohhhh, so that’s why the Dog Pound has been so quiet. You’re all busy highjacking threads in the Training/Nutrition Forum.

Couldn’t give a shit about Kettlebells.

Dumbasses.

I mean Dudes.

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I luv u Rolbbbb!!!

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So sad.

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Lisasworksout: I’ll remember that the next time I have friends over and see a thread by the “regulars” that I don’t find interesting.

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Molsonmannn,

You and Stolen Jackets are rite. We r sorri abut everyfing.

J-mar

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Restless-"Phytate is a very good reason not to have a significant part of your caloric intake from oats. "

This is a valid point if you live in part of the world where grains are all you have to live on. But how many people on this forum survive on oats? I’d bet not very many. And it’s doubtful that a cup or 2 of oats a day are a significant part of your diet. If they are, then I’d think you’re taking that cutting phase way to seriously.

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Beowulf67

"This is a valid point if you live in part of the world where grains are all you have to live on. But how many people on this forum survive on oats? I’d bet not very many. And it’s doubtful that a cup or 2 of oats a day are a significant part of your diet. If they are, then I’d think you’re taking that cutting phase way to seriously. "

Right. It’s also a valid point if you’re a vegetarian eating a lot of whole grains, which is not the case of most here. The documented cases of serious mineral deficiency related to high cereal grains comsumption were in populations who had up to 75% of their caloric intake for this food group, so it’s fairly safe to say there’s little concern for most of us.

As a side note, there is this theory that one of the reasons asians are smaller in stature than most other populations is because of the early incorporation of large quantities of grains in their diets, as opposed to north europeans and other regions which had a latter adoption of these foods into their diets and have a much higher average height. The high antinutrient caontents of said foods is supposed to have contributed for mineral deficiencies that might have had some impact on bone development and stature.

Truth or not, it does make sense with archeological evidence about the beginning of the agricultural revolution and the earliest changes from the hunther gatherer life style and diet in the Middle east and Asia and the average heights of said populations.

Just some interesting (meaningless) stuff, in my opinion.

Personally, I couldn’t be less concerned about it since I don’t eat whole grains or oats, which I can’t stand, and I keep my grain intake below 30% of my caloric intake, and usually around my workouts or/and breakfast.

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At this point you just have to shake your head and laugh like you would at your drunk friend making an ass of themselves. As long as you guys are having fun, I guess.

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Why do messages keep not posting?

Restless, what grains do you consume? I thought you’d be on a no-grain diet…

-Zulu

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Zulu,

I usually have a large serving of white rice or pasta one hour after my workouts, plus 40 gr of maltodextrine before and after it with the whey. I am working out very frequently these days, since I’m on holidays.

I’m also using vinegar post workout since it was dicovered that it increases glycogen uptake by up to over 10% in the muscle after exercise in rats and simultaneously diminushes insulin response by up to 30%, though I’m not exactly sure about these numbers. Some people have neen reporting some noticeable changes in their bodycomposition after they started using it but in my case I changed so much stuff I can’t honestly tell. Vinegar is cheap anyway so it doesn’t hurt much to have one tablespoon of it before a high carb meal.

A search at pubmed by “acetic acid” and “glycogen” shoudl come up with some relevant abstracts, in case anyone’s interested.

I rotate these with boiled potatoes, beans and I eat a considerable amount of bananas every day (can’t help this.

I have a larger carb intake than I had in the past year or so and probably have higher insulin levels than I should most of the time. Muscle gains have been better though, and fat loss has been great also.

I’m also eating large amounts of vegetables or vegetable juices, because though the antioxidants might have a negative impact in hypertrophy, I’m actually more concerned than ever with health.

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Restless,

Are you of the opinion that the negative impact of grains (relating to insulin) are proportional to the amount you eat (assuming you don’t get addicted)? Which is to say: no grains is best, a few grains is not really a problem and lots of grains is bad. ? If you didn’t workout, would you use grains at all?

I’ll have a look about vinegar…the dimninueing of insulin response sounds extremely interesting. I believe the same can be achieved with lemon juice though which might be more palatable.

Why would antioxidants interfere with hypertrophy?

-Zulu

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"Restless,

Are you of the opinion that the negative impact of grains (relating to insulin) are proportional to the amount you eat (assuming you don’t get addicted)? Which is to say: no grains is best, a few grains is not really a problem and lots of grains is bad. ? If you didn’t workout, would you use grains at all? "

I probably would fallow a strick paleo diet if I didn’t workout, and probably will once I achive my desired muscularity level, which isn’t as huge as possible anymore.

About the grains, even someone as radical as Mercola states that to am healthy individual, 30% of your diet as grains shouldn’t disrupt health. I’m not sure any of us would qualify as healthy to him though, but anyway.

Lot’s of grains and chronically elevated levls of insulin are bad, and all the recent discoveries about the life extension properties of caloric restriction seem to indicate that there are mechanisms of action mediated by insulin we may not be aware of at this point.

So, yes, I’m the opinion that overcomsumption of grains is not an healthy thing to do.

“I’ll have a look about vinegar…the dimninueing of insulin response sounds extremely interesting. I believe the same can be achieved with lemon juice though which might be more palatable.”

You’ll grow to love the taste, seriously.

"Why would antioxidants interfere with hypertrophy?

-Zulu "

That I can not explain at this point but Bryan Haycock has said this numerous times in the HST boards.

One thing I think that happens is that some chemicals in vegetables (in brussel sprouts, for example) prevent cancer by blocking cells response to growth factors like testosterone. Since I don’t think these chemicals are “smart” enough to do this selectively in cancer cells only they might not exactly be bodybuilder friendly because they might block muscle cells response to it also. Maybe this is one of the reasons, I’ll try to find out.

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Interesting about the antioxidants. Won’t stop me from eating plenty of veggies and fruits though.

I had a look and I found a pubmed study about vinegar which confirms what you said. BTW, it also mentions the fermentation of foods which is something Sally Fallon talks a lot about.

-Zulu

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Wow…odd debate.

Far as i know uncooked oats are fine, apart from that the water soluable fibers havent had time to swell and come out of their casing with is what lowers the GI.

The “finer” and more processed oats alla have a higher GI than the oldfashioned kind too even after beeing cooked to porrige.

Oatmeal porrige cooked the oldfashioned way na dnot nuked has the lowest GI.

But then again GI isnt everything and there are ways to lower it, psyllium seeds(sorry not sure they are called
the same thing in the US as in sweden) for example added to the drink could make the GI real low.

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Rob,

Those were some of the most malicious posts I’ve ever seen.

Congratulations.

(It seems you have something up your arse. A kettlebell, perhaps.)

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And Ike, as we all know: those kettlebells are fucking heavy :wink: