I’ve found that a 1 - 1.5lbs of fatty brisket and 40oz of water will fill me up. No need for sides.
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This was unironically going to be my answer @simo74 . Cut the carbs, cut the insulin spike. Load up a BIG meal of fatty meat and wait until you’re hungry again. Repeat the process. It breaks the cycle.
Dr. Ted Naiman talks about the protein leveraging hypothesis in a similar manner. I dig the idea of nutritional modeling, but you may be able to make it work by doing something like having a protein shake or a bunch of egg whites BEFORE your meal.
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I’ll have to give that a read. Honestly think this has been the difference this year. Yesterday was 1.5lbs of brisket after ‘fasting’ all day. Today was 4 eggs and a 16oz ribeye. I also drink soda water, which has helped with feeling full.
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I basically eat mostly meat and eggs anyway. Ate close to a lb of lamb last night, 10 mins before that I ate 300g of greek yogurt and 30 mins before that half a lb of chicken. Only stopped eating the lamb becuase I got bored chewing it.
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Ah, I thought chili was a regular feature in the diet. Seasonings, spices, and carbs. Or is that phased out?
I can see that yogurt triggering hunger. Dairy is designed to make mammals fatter. We WANT to eat more of it.
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Chilli is still in, but its made with ground beef, tomatoes, kidney beans and some spices. There is 1 tin of beans 300g which is 180g of carbs split between 10 meals so less than 20g a meal. I am eating it with broccoli instead if rice on non training days. On training days my carbs is around 150g and around 80g on non training days.
I guess I could drop that even further but was keeping attempting to cycle them.
Not sure how spices and seasoning effect carbs or insulin ?
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This is what I see as the hunger generator in that situation. Spices and seasonings can have a small impact on insulin, but the big thing is that they increase the palatability of food which interferes with satiety signaling
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What about elevensies? (joking)
How’s the mirror look?
Scale?
Measurements?
For me, this was a lot more mental than I thought it was. I also get hungry far more often when I have carbs… literally eat more food (carbs) and feel more hungry within a couple hours as a result. This has stopped since I’ve turned protein into my main macronutrient.
A word of advice I got from an advisor: when you feel hungry, think:
- Am I bored? If no:
- Am I feeling negative emotions? If no:
- drink water and wait 20 mins. If still hungry:
- You’re actually hungry.
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I’d hope not, that’s most of a day’s calories in one sitting, dude.
Sorry, I don’t mean to call you out - I just fundamentally disagree with all of the high fat diet recommendations because if you added sides, you’d be in a surplus.
For people like me, following the exact advice you posted would lead me to eating entirely too many calories.
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These really could be an impact right now. Life is a little stressful.
Scale is down 1kg in two weeks. Work pants are loser at the waist. I am happy with it for now, just need to stop thinking about food. LOL
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That is an interesting idea that I have seen you write about before. Is this something you have concluded from your own diet or something more widely accepted. I deff get the enjoyment of certain food leading to greater hunger, especially where added sugar or fat is concerned. Heck that is the reason I used to eat 4 big macs for lunch in my twenties. Not sure if for me some spice and tomatoes would have the same impact. Only way to know would be to remove them I guess.
I’ve seen him write this too, and it’s challenged some of my thinking. I’m still skeptical, but maybe coming around a bit.
I know you absolutely can adjust the palatability of food with seasonings. The tomato in the chili can break down into sugars and acids, that especially when combined with the fat, can make the meat more palatable and “tasty”. Spices too, especially when it comes to traditional spice combinations (i.e., generations of people saying how good something tastes).
But whether it interferes with satiety signaling, I’m a bit skeptical.
Though there I’m pretty sure there are natural and artificial concentrates that do stuff like that. There’s many other food additives to make you eat and buy more.
So I don’t know. Maybe there’s something to that.
I’m just not sure with most people’s home cooking, they’ve managed to achieve that level of skill. A bit of salt, pepper, paprika, cinnamon, “curry powder”, “italian seasoning” probably isn’t going to do it.
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When most of your food looks like cat food, I promise you that a little bit of spices can increase hunger signaling comparatively.
Of course, most people aren’t at this point either, so yes and no.
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Yeah I guess the terms are weird.
I do think spices can increase “hunger signaling”. I’m less convinced that they affect “fullness signaling”. At least in normal usage.
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This one is a big winner for me too!
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Words mean things. I specifically do NOT say full here. I am not talking about impacting when you feel physically full of food; I am talking about impacting when you feel HUNGRY and a desire to eat more food.
When you make food tastier, you want to eat more of it. Thats WHY we make it tastier. There is a billion dollar junk food industry designed around that. When food tastes like food, we know when we don’t want more of it.
Hell, the fact “palate fatigue” is a thing is a pretty clear indicator that you can override your body’s natural state of being satiated by introducing new flavors
I say all of this simply to assist someone that spoke about an issue with hunger. As someone that has been perpetually hungry for 37 years and finally overcame it, this helped. Ya’ll are free to consider it: it’s not a mandate.
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I understood you well. But for me I am very disciplined with my meals. The portions are set so I can really eat more even if it is super tasty. I tend to still feel what I interpret as hunger no matter what. Not sure there is a way to stop that. That’s kinda why I have portions.
But tasty things do definitely make people eat more or get hunger again soon. I 100% agree with that.
I think just drinking more water will have to do for now.
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I will throw out, and I’m only about 3 weeks in, I have noticed a difference in hunger with the carnivore diet experiment akin to what @T3hPwnisher suggests.
I’m a carbs guy, and I do intend to reintroduce them at some point for a handful of reasons, but I think there’s a lot to the insulin spiking; this makes sense because even us carbs-loving meatheads have long thought timing them peri workout was the way to go.
One thing I will note, I was actually hungrier when eating a little higher fat with this. Now, it was earlier in my experiment, too, so this isn’t an absolute, but adding more egg whites (instead of just whole eggs) to my first meal was a huge difference maker… I don’t really get the same “urgent” hunger for the rest of the morning. Really I’m good until midafternoon, but I tend to eat midday, anyway, because I make poor choices if I get too hungry.
This is a little different than the V-Diet; I was a little hungrier then, to be quite honest, but I’m also not dumping weight as consistently now. I lost quite a bit the first two weeks, likely a lot of water and glycogen, but I’ve maintained that weight the last ~10 days or so. I’m not trying to lose anything and have been eating more than enough food, so that’s not a shock.
All that to say, I think there’s a lot to the insulin conversation and protein leveraging when it comes to hunger management. This would also go a long way toward explaining the delta between thermodynamics and human behavior in the insulin model of obesity.
I don’t know that this means we all have to go full carnivore, but low-insulinemic meals most of the time is probably a good principle. I am also coming around to the idea that if I’m to have any carbs, it should be for a purpose, rather than just having an allotment I can put anywhere in my day. Peri workout, there’s a purpose. Pre-bed, there’s a purpose. Mid-morning snack… unless I need some orange juice to make my work vodka socially acceptable, there’s probably not a great reason.
I also think all this comes down to “which shit you want to shovel.” At the end of the day, whichever version is more palatable (pun bravely intended) to hit your daily calories is the right one. So being able to eat tastier meals more frequently, while still managing that daily total, might be an easier trade off for you.
I wrote a long story to say “do whatever”!
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No,
I am enjoying the conversation. So good to share thoughts and hear how l others are or have tackled this. As long as the scale moves and I look better then I will just cope with feeling some hunger.
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