UN Gun Debate

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[quote]Spry wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
Spry wrote:
Sifu wrote:
What is sad is how you fail to see that the reason why he killed so many is because he was virtually unopposed and the fact that he had easy access to a firearm.

Is anyone else tempted just to go get a gun right now and kill a dozen people to prove a point that you shouldn’t be able to get guns so easily?

Oh Wait! I can’t do that. Lucky for those dozen people I might add because I’m crazy enough!

like it wouldn’t be easy as hell to kill 12 people with a knife before the police get you?

Don’t relate yourself to Crocodile Dundee again. At least the man knew how to use a knife.

It would not be as easy. Don’t be silly.

And it is unlawful to carry a knife (without good reason) as well.[/quote]

Oh that is just silly.

My kitchen knife is 25 cm of stainless steel and razor sharp.

If I jab this into someones main artery he is dead before he hits the ground.

There would be no struggling, no fighting, no nothing, just a dead person that looks mildly surprised.

A Russian serial killer killed dozens of people exactly that way before he got caught.

Then he put them in their driver seats, sat on them and cruised around for shits and giggles.

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[quote]AndyG wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
AndyG wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:

like it wouldn’t be easy as hell to kill 12 people with a knife before the police get you?

Maybe for you tough guy. I think most people would struggle. Haven’t heard of many knife massacres. By the way, I’m disturbed that you can buy knives over here that serve no purpose other than as a weapon.
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I am disturbed that you feel someone else has the right to tell you that you cannot buy a knife. What kind of sheep are you?

How do you take your government telling you you can’t snort cocaine? Baaa baaa

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As a serious violation of my rights that warrants disgust and repulsion?

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[quote]Spry wrote:

Maybe your government just sucks?
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There are governments that don´t?

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[quote]orion wrote:
Spry wrote:

Maybe your government just sucks?

There are governments that don´t?

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The Swiss government, I hear, sucks far less than others.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
orion wrote:
Spry wrote:

Maybe your government just sucks?

There are governments that don´t?

The Swiss government, I hear, sucks far less than others.[/quote]

The Prince of Liechtenstein has declared that everything above 6% taxes is practically tyranny and that he would not bow to German tax authorities.

I might have a moderate man crush for him.

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Jeez, I leave this thread alone for a single evening and all of a sudden there are pages and pages of agitation over my somewhat injudicious use of the word “pussy.”

Therefore, I hereby apologise (note spelling) to GCF in particular, and to the great majority of citizens of the great Southern Continent, for seeming to imply that all Australians are effeminate, weak and impotent poofters.

This was not my intention at all, I was merely amused at the similarity of the word “aussies” to the word “pussies,” and exploited this similarity in a cheap and, I realise (note spelling) now, insensitive statement.

In fact, I do not believe that proponents of gun-banning are effeminate, weak, and impotent poofters, but rather that they are the unfortunate victims of a mental affliction known as hoplophobia.

This is the irrational and perverse fear of inanimate objects, associated with the belief that these inanimate instruments are capable of independent and deleterious action, as can be deduced from statements such as “guns cause X number of deaths…”, “guns are responsible for X per cent of all homicides…”

Guns cause nothing, nor are they responsible for anything. They are inanimate pieces of metal, wood, and plastic. Even the Ancient Romans knew this: quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est (a sword is never a killer: it is a tool in a killer’s hand).

Clearly, however, victims of hoplophobia cannot be persuaded that guns in the hands of responsible adults are beneficial to society, any more than a victim of arachnophobia may be persuaded that most spiders are, in fact, not threatening at all… or, for that matter, than a victim of arachibutyrophobia may be persuaded that a peanut butter sandwich is, in fact a tasty treat.

A fear and loathing of weapons, according to Freud, is indicative of sexual and emotional immaturity. Because this fear and loathing is irrational and uncontrollable by the victim of this fear, however, we must not scorn the hoplophobe, but rather offer him or her our heartfelt pity.

Therefore, no matter how much the epithet “pussy” may seem to fit, I will no longer use it to apply to hoplophobes.

Peace.

V

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That’s not Crocodile Dundee. This is Crocodile Dundee.

Funny that the Aussies on this thread would bring up Crocodile Dundee.

Although Paul Hogan is famous for his use of the Bowie knife in the movie, remember that he killed his crocs with a bolt-action Remington .308 (note cartridge cases on deck of boat).

Rodney Ansell, the man on whose life the character “Crocodile Dundee” was based, probably carried some kind of knife, but he certainly carried a rifle with him everywhere. When his boat was capsized by a crocodile, he dived back into the drink to retrieve his dogs and his rifle. It was his rifle that kept him alive for the next two months alone in the uninhabited outback of the Northern Territory, allowing him to shoot wild cattle for food.

Sadly, Ansell was killed in 1999 in a shootout with police, who were trying to take away his guns. He was carrying two rifles at the time, but was not wearing shoes. It is my contention that had he been wearing shoes, and was carrying only one rifle, he might have been able to outflank them and win.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz48.html

“In Australia today, police can enter your house and search for guns, copy the hard drive of your computer, seize records, and do it all without a search warrant,” Dr. Faria reports. “It’s the law that police can go door to door searching for weapons that have not been surrendered in their much publicized gun buy-back program. They have been using previous registration and firearm license lists to check for lapses and confiscate non-surrendered firearms.”

Rodney Ansell was a fair dinkum Aussie and a T-Man. He is an inspiration to free men everywhere, and is sorely missed.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
AndyG wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:

like it wouldn’t be easy as hell to kill 12 people with a knife before the police get you?

Maybe for you tough guy. I think most people would struggle. Haven’t heard of many knife massacres. By the way, I’m disturbed that you can buy knives over here that serve no purpose other than as a weapon.
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I am disturbed that you feel someone else has the right to tell you that you cannot buy a knife. What kind of sheep are you?

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They’ll find out as their Muslim population continues to grow. A madrassa here, a madrassa there, and pretty soon you’ve got a real problem on your hands.

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[quote]AndyG wrote:
Another school shooting in Finland, a country with one of the highest rates of gun ownership.

But wait, it only happened because there weren’t enough people with guns to stop him earlier.[/quote]

If this is a sarcastic remark it misses the mark. Guns will be accessible to anyone who wants them, regardless of laws. Somebody planning a massacre with the audacity to carry it through certainly doesn’t stop at the illegality of purchasing a restricted weapon.

And if school officials were trained and carrying, yes, this and any massacre could be minimized.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
GCF wrote:
You think that was an attack you big baby? Anyway I have since addressed your post but let me point out that I believe your posts are premised on a mistaken conclusion you have drawn about my own feelings on gun control.

I don’t care about your positions on gun control.

Big Baby? LMAO!!!

I was stating a fact. Your entire post was an ad hominem attack. I don’t really care if you want to do that, but like I said in my last post - maybe start a thread about it since you are so easily lead off topic. [/quote]

Ad Hominem…Poodle Nuts found a dictionary! Congrats! For Christmas, request a thesaurus. It will absolutely blow your mind.

I’m sorry you are in support of my opinion on this matter though. Makes me look bad.

What have you been up to old chap? Still body slamming washers on your wife and sucking off bulls?

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[quote]AndyG wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
AndyG wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:

like it wouldn’t be easy as hell to kill 12 people with a knife before the police get you?

Maybe for you tough guy. I think most people would struggle. Haven’t heard of many knife massacres. By the way, I’m disturbed that you can buy knives over here that serve no purpose other than as a weapon.
…

I am disturbed that you feel someone else has the right to tell you that you cannot buy a knife. What kind of sheep are you?

How do you take your government telling you you can’t snort cocaine? Baaa baaa

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Mind conditioning is interesting. It’s cool and scary how a person can be influenced as to what they truly believe right and wrong.

There is a difference though.

  • Guns = self protection against aggressors, oppressive gov’t and even foreign invasions.

  • Cocaine = a short lived euphoric high followed by a deep crash.

Not really apples to apples.

But for the record, gov’t should not tell people what they can and can’t snort up their own noses.

The real issue is that you support your govt’s gun ban.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Jeez, I leave this thread alone for a single evening and all of a sudden there are pages and pages of agitation over my somewhat injudicious use of the word “pussy.”

Therefore, I hereby apologise (note spelling) to GCF in particular, and to the great majority of citizens of the great Southern Continent, for seeming to imply that all Australians are effeminate, weak and impotent poofters.

This was not my intention at all, I was merely amused at the similarity of the word “aussies” to the word “pussies,” and exploited this similarity in a cheap and, I realise (note spelling) now, insensitive statement.

In fact, I do not believe that proponents of gun-banning are effeminate, weak, and impotent poofters, but rather that they are the unfortunate victims of a mental affliction known as hoplophobia.

This is the irrational and perverse fear of inanimate objects, associated with the belief that these inanimate instruments are capable of independent and deleterious action, as can be deduced from statements such as “guns cause X number of deaths…”, “guns are responsible for X per cent of all homicides…”

Guns cause nothing, nor are they responsible for anything. They are inanimate pieces of metal, wood, and plastic. Even the Ancient Romans knew this: quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est (a sword is never a killer: it is a tool in a killer’s hand).

Clearly, however, victims of hoplophobia cannot be persuaded that guns in the hands of responsible adults are beneficial to society, any more than a victim of arachnophobia may be persuaded that most spiders are, in fact, not threatening at all… or, for that matter, than a victim of arachibutyrophobia may be persuaded that a peanut butter sandwich is, in fact a tasty treat.

A fear and loathing of weapons, according to Freud, is indicative of sexual and emotional immaturity. Because this fear and loathing is irrational and uncontrollable by the victim of this fear, however, we must not scorn the hoplophobe, but rather offer him or her our heartfelt pity.

Therefore, no matter how much the epithet “pussy” may seem to fit, I will no longer use it to apply to hoplophobes.

Peace.

V[/quote]

Great post V. Strong words well written.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

Sadly, Ansell was killed in 1999 in a shootout with police, who were trying to take away his guns. He was carrying two rifles at the time, but was not wearing shoes. It is my contention that had he been wearing shoes, and was carrying only one rifle, he might have been able to outflank them and win.
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That’s awesome, and funny and sad all at once.

Cheers to Rodney Ansell, and shame on the rest of you Aussies who let shit like that go down in your country.

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This is stupid and should not even be a debate. Let me spell it out: Gun laws only affect those people who follow the law. Criminals, by definition, break the law. Therefore, gun laws are useless against them. End of story.

BTW, a knife can be even more deadly than a gun in many cases. Use of a knife doesn’t require careful aim or any real training to use. A 7 year old little girl can use a knife against an unarmed 6 foot tall, 230 lb man and be quite deadly to him. It is even effective against someone with a gun because of the 21 foot rule. The 21 foot rule is the minimum distance that someone can draw, aim and shoot a gun at someone coming at them with a knife and not get touched. This is not an absolute, but what it says that knives are very dangerous and should not be underestimated. I have trained with them and helped teach many classes on knife safety and knife defensive tactics. They are no joke.

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[quote]Spry wrote:

It would not be as easy. Don’t be silly.

And it is unlawful to carry a knife (without good reason) as well.[/quote]

Wait, what?? Seriously? Fucking what? They’re the most useful implements ever. Fuck that. I’m sorry for you guys. And the brits who have that same damned stupid law.

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[quote]ALDurr wrote:
This is stupid and should not even be a debate. Let me spell it out: Gun laws only affect those people who follow the law. Criminals, by definition, break the law. Therefore, gun laws are useless against them. End of story.

BTW, a knife can be even more deadly than a gun in many cases. Use of a knife doesn’t require careful aim or any real training to use. A 7 year old little girl can use a knife against an unarmed 6 foot tall, 230 lb man and be quite deadly to him.

It is even effective against someone with a gun because of the 21 foot rule. The 21 foot rule is the minimum distance that someone can draw, aim and shoot a gun at someone coming at them with a knife and not get touched.

This is not an absolute, but what it says that knives are very dangerous and should not be underestimated. I have trained with them and helped teach many classes on knife safety and knife defensive tactics. They are no joke.[/quote]

Are you coming out in support of the 2nd amendment?

What the hell?

You need to find a topic we disagree on. This is the second time we have gotten along. That’s not right.

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[quote]AndyG wrote:
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I’ll accept that if everyone is carrying a gun then a massacre such as this may be stopped earlier. However, can anyone imagine the consequences of this? Guns being at the ready every time someone gets pissed off, depressed or on drugs. Shoot outs in public places. More crazy Texans shooting at people committing property crimes and getting away with murder. More street justice.

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Are you really serious? Man I’ve heard a lot of crazy things from you. You should try living in an area that has lax gun laws first. Crazily enough, high noon shoot-outs in public places like those damn saloons don’t happen. Hell, in many places in the South nobody even cares if they see a guy packing a pistol walk into a store.

There was an interesting documentary done a while back where an extremely anti-gun woman went to live for 30 days in the southern gun culture. Her host persuaded her to carry a (mock) gun in holster around for a day.

She went into the store, was looking at stuff, asked the teller “don’t you think it’s scary that I have a gun here? I mean, I could just take it out and rob or shoot you guys”.

You know what the girls response was? It was " You’ve never carried a gun before? you’ve never seen someone carry a gun before? It doesn’t bother me in the slightest. We get them all the time. I have on just like it, I carry mine around when I go out sometimes too."

As much as it may seem crazy to you, in areas where guns are accepted as “normal” there’s low crime, and no one’s scared of a guy walking around with one on his hip.

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[quote]FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
AndyG wrote:
Another school shooting in Finland, a country with one of the highest rates of gun ownership.

But wait, it only happened because there weren’t enough people with guns to stop him earlier.

If this is a sarcastic remark it misses the mark. Guns will be accessible to anyone who wants them, regardless of laws. Somebody planning a massacre with the audacity to carry it through certainly doesn’t stop at the illegality of purchasing a restricted weapon.

And if school officials were trained and carrying, yes, this and any massacre could be minimized. [/quote]

I would fucking struggle to buy a gun over here. Anyway, perhaps the massacarists (not sure if that’s a word) wouldn’t be so tempted if the availability of guns wasn’t so obvious. A bit like showing kiddy porn to a paedophile.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Spry wrote:

It would not be as easy. Don’t be silly.

And it is unlawful to carry a knife (without good reason) as well.

Wait, what?? Seriously? Fucking what? They’re the most useful implements ever. Fuck that. I’m sorry for you guys. And the brits who have that same damned stupid law.[/quote]

So when a dropkick is carrying a large knife through a nightclub district this is fine?

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
AndyG wrote:
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I’ll accept that if everyone is carrying a gun then a massacre such as this may be stopped earlier. However, can anyone imagine the consequences of this? Guns being at the ready every time someone gets pissed off, depressed or on drugs. Shoot outs in public places.

More crazy Texans shooting at people committing property crimes and getting away with murder. More street justice.

Are you really serious? Man I’ve heard a lot of crazy things from you. You should try living in an area that has lax gun laws first. Crazily enough, high noon shoot-outs in public places like those damn saloons don’t happen. Hell, in many places in the South nobody even cares if they see a guy packing a pistol walk into a store.

There was an interesting documentary done a while back where an extremely anti-gun woman went to live for 30 days in the southern gun culture. Her host persuaded her to carry a (mock) gun in holster around for a day.

She went into the store, was looking at stuff, asked the teller “don’t you think it’s scary that I have a gun here? I mean, I could just take it out and rob or shoot you guys”.

You know what the girls response was? It was " You’ve never carried a gun before? you’ve never seen someone carry a gun before? It doesn’t bother me in the slightest. We get them all the time. I have on just like it, I carry mine around when I go out sometimes too."

As much as it may seem crazy to you, in areas where guns are accepted as “normal” there’s low crime, and no one’s scared of a guy walking around with one on his hip. [/quote]

Well then why is the homocide rate in Texas 3 times higher than Australia?