[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
I want to “12-6” Dana White/Joe Silva for matching Liddell and Ortiz for a third time(BUT they will make awesome coaches for TUF).
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LOL, me too. Great coaches, no doubt, but man there are few fights that I could care less about than to see those two fight again. I’d rather have seen Randy vs Tito 2 than to see this fight.
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
[quote]Valor wrote:
Fallin on your back is the equal to a hail mary in football. If it fails, your done.[/quote]
And like I said, I’ve never rolled (and only been training MT for about 4 months) before, so I’m legitimately curious as to what the recommended escape for that is. I just saw that Brammer was clearly still conscious when he tapped, so he could’ve done something. I’ve never seen a guy get tapped on a standing RNC before so I was curious about that.[/quote]
It was an awkward position that isn’t really trained that often unless it happens while sparring. Honestly it can seem like leaning into the cage offers a bit of respite as you can get pressure on the guy on your back and potentially turn into him, but really it is better (in my opinion) to use the ground, your bodyweight, and gravity to pin the guys hips while turning, rather than attempting to remain standing and leaning on the cage…I can’t remember who used the escape, but I have seen a guy tripod a little bit, get the guy high on his back, then jump head first towards the ground letting the guy on his back hit his head on the mat and get out that way. maybe urijah did it?
[quote]drewh wrote:
The LHW picture looks like this.
Machida vs Shogun rematch
Thiago Silva vs Rashad (Rampage fights winner).
Lidell vs Ortiz.
From here I see a few things happening
I’m thinking Forrest will fight Nog.
Cane is interested in fighting Rich Franklin (I think the catchweight fights are over).
Bader vs. Jardine
Krystof vs. Bonnar
So Jones vs Brandon Vera?
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Jones vs Vera would be interesting, though I don’t think that’s a good match-up for Vera. How about Jones vs. Randy? That could be very interesting.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
[quote]Valor wrote:
Fallin on your back is the equal to a hail mary in football. If it fails, your done.[/quote]
And like I said, I’ve never rolled (and only been training MT for about 4 months) before, so I’m legitimately curious as to what the recommended escape for that is. I just saw that Brammer was clearly still conscious when he tapped, so he could’ve done something. I’ve never seen a guy get tapped on a standing RNC before so I was curious about that.[/quote]
It was an awkward position that isn’t really trained that often unless it happens while sparring. Honestly it can seem like leaning into the cage offers a bit of respite as you can get pressure on the guy on your back and potentially turn into him, but really it is better (in my opinion) to use the ground, your bodyweight, and gravity to pin the guys hips while turning, rather than attempting to remain standing and leaning on the cage…I can’t remember who used the escape, but I have seen a guy tripod a little bit, get the guy high on his back, then jump head first towards the ground letting the guy on his back hit his head on the mat and get out that way. maybe urijah did it?[/quote]
Sounds like something Urijah would do.
First thing that you want to do though is to get your damn chin to your chest. Sure it can still be uncomfortable to have someone squeezing on your face, but you aren’t going to go unconscious (or at the very least it’s going to take quite a bit longer). That will buy you time to do whichever escape you choose.
[quote]Reef wrote:
Why would Jones get DQ’d when the elbow didn’t cause the shoulder injury? Should’ve been a no-contest.[/quote]
Fight was stopped from the cut, not the shoulder. Strike was deliberate hence can’t be a no contest. Was the right decision but a shame for Jones. He will learn from it.
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
And Bocek with the standing sub was sweet!!![/quote]
I’ve never rolled before, but…
If somebody was performing that spidermonkey piggyback RNC on you, would you:
a.) Press back against the cage, allowing him to get more leverage on the choke until you tapped out.
or
b.) Spin around and at least fall on your back, allowing for the possibility that his grip will loosen and you will be able to escape.[/quote]
Stay upright and shake them off, once you are on your back on the ground it is harder to defend the choke. Normally if you stay upright they touch down with one leg giving you a chance to turn into them.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
It looked like Alexander threw that fight to me. Both of those dudes aren’t known for their ability to take a punch, but they are known for their willingness to bang and Alexander just cartwheeled around the cage for 15 minutes. GAY. Jon Jones got robbed and Hammil knew it. I stepped out for 10 minutes and missed the Nelson fight. Mitrione has hands and Darkness can’t take a punch. Franky Edgar is fun to watch, and Veach looks like pocket Hurcules. [/quote]
I agree, it looked like Alexander threw that fight.[/quote]
No way he threw the fight and fuck you for even suggesting it. He was working a good gameplan that actually was working. Yes it might have been boring to watch but I could easily have seen that fight scored 29-28 to Houston.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
[quote]Valor wrote:
Fallin on your back is the equal to a hail mary in football. If it fails, your done.[/quote]
And like I said, I’ve never rolled (and only been training MT for about 4 months) before, so I’m legitimately curious as to what the recommended escape for that is. I just saw that Brammer was clearly still conscious when he tapped, so he could’ve done something. I’ve never seen a guy get tapped on a standing RNC before so I was curious about that.[/quote]
It was an awkward position that isn’t really trained that often unless it happens while sparring. Honestly it can seem like leaning into the cage offers a bit of respite as you can get pressure on the guy on your back and potentially turn into him, but really it is better (in my opinion) to use the ground, your bodyweight, and gravity to pin the guys hips while turning, rather than attempting to remain standing and leaning on the cage…I can’t remember who used the escape, but I have seen a guy tripod a little bit, get the guy high on his back, then jump head first towards the ground letting the guy on his back hit his head on the mat and get out that way. maybe urijah did it?[/quote]
From the way you describte that it sounds like an intentional spike to top of the head which is a banned technique. I think I remember the fight you are talking about.
Anyway, like most situations there are several ways to attempt to escape but starting from having an experienced BJJ Black belt on your back the most likely outcome to any of them is you getting choked.
It’s like trying to slam out of a triangle, yes, sometimes it can work but if it doesn’t you are fucked.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]slimjim wrote:
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
[quote]Valor wrote:
Fallin on your back is the equal to a hail mary in football. If it fails, your done.[/quote]
And like I said, I’ve never rolled (and only been training MT for about 4 months) before, so I’m legitimately curious as to what the recommended escape for that is. I just saw that Brammer was clearly still conscious when he tapped, so he could’ve done something. I’ve never seen a guy get tapped on a standing RNC before so I was curious about that.[/quote]
It was an awkward position that isn’t really trained that often unless it happens while sparring. Honestly it can seem like leaning into the cage offers a bit of respite as you can get pressure on the guy on your back and potentially turn into him, but really it is better (in my opinion) to use the ground, your bodyweight, and gravity to pin the guys hips while turning, rather than attempting to remain standing and leaning on the cage…I can’t remember who used the escape, but I have seen a guy tripod a little bit, get the guy high on his back, then jump head first towards the ground letting the guy on his back hit his head on the mat and get out that way. maybe urijah did it?[/quote]
Sounds like something Urijah would do.
First thing that you want to do though is to get your damn chin to your chest. Sure it can still be uncomfortable to have someone squeezing on your face, but you aren’t going to go unconscious (or at the very least it’s going to take quite a bit longer). That will buy you time to do whichever escape you choose.[/quote]
I agree. And control that hand on top of your head if you can. If you can turn your face into the bend of the elbow around your neck you can get enough space to hold on…maybe let the guy tire then try to turn into him?
Really though…unless you’re Urijah or someother freak…if the guy on your back knows his stuff…you’re in trouble. Real world… i bite. 
[quote]Valor wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]slimjim wrote:
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
[quote]Valor wrote:
Fallin on your back is the equal to a hail mary in football. If it fails, your done.[/quote]
And like I said, I’ve never rolled (and only been training MT for about 4 months) before, so I’m legitimately curious as to what the recommended escape for that is. I just saw that Brammer was clearly still conscious when he tapped, so he could’ve done something. I’ve never seen a guy get tapped on a standing RNC before so I was curious about that.[/quote]
It was an awkward position that isn’t really trained that often unless it happens while sparring. Honestly it can seem like leaning into the cage offers a bit of respite as you can get pressure on the guy on your back and potentially turn into him, but really it is better (in my opinion) to use the ground, your bodyweight, and gravity to pin the guys hips while turning, rather than attempting to remain standing and leaning on the cage…I can’t remember who used the escape, but I have seen a guy tripod a little bit, get the guy high on his back, then jump head first towards the ground letting the guy on his back hit his head on the mat and get out that way. maybe urijah did it?[/quote]
Sounds like something Urijah would do.
First thing that you want to do though is to get your damn chin to your chest. Sure it can still be uncomfortable to have someone squeezing on your face, but you aren’t going to go unconscious (or at the very least it’s going to take quite a bit longer). That will buy you time to do whichever escape you choose.[/quote]
I agree. And control that hand on top of your head if you can. If you can turn your face into the bend of the elbow around your neck you can get enough space to hold on…maybe let the guy tire then try to turn into him?
Really though…unless you’re Urijah or someother freak…if the guy on your back knows his stuff…you’re in trouble. Real world… i bite. :)[/quote]
If the arm is under your chin it is pretty tough to bite it (unless you have buggs bunny front teeth)
Interesting. Obviously a guy like Bocek would choke me out no matter what I tried to do, I was just curious as to what the “textbook” escape was as I’ve never seen somebody end a fight like that before.
[quote]drewh wrote:
The LHW picture looks like this.
Machida vs Shogun rematch
Thiago Silva vs Rashad (Rampage fights winner).
Lidell vs Ortiz.
From here I see a few things happening
I’m thinking Forrest will fight Nog.
Cane is interested in fighting Rich Franklin (I think the catchweight fights are over).
Bader vs. Jardine
Krystof vs. Bonnar
So Jones vs Brandon Vera?
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I know Patrick Cote has expressed interest in fighting Franklin at 185 the next UFC event in Montral to, which could be a title eliminator now, seeing how Henderson has signed with Strikeforce now officialy. Kimbo says today he would think about fighting at 205 to ha ha. And tito versus chuck again? Maybe it is time to scrap the whole ultimate fighter idea. enough is enough already.
How about Jones versus Nog, winner gets Title Shot?
Forrest versus Vera…
Evans and Silva well…Evans fights Rampage after, and I do not think you can have Silva come up to fight title holder coming off wins of two Jackson camp light heavies in Jardine and Evans. Or have silva take on winner of Nog and Jones? Silva is fighting at 108, and there is no announced date for Rua and Machida yet. Jones and Nog could probably fight fairly soon, therefore timing pretty well for the winner of that to get the next shot at 205 belt.
lol, i’m pretty sure it isn’t an illegal technique as you aren’t controlling the guy when you jump, he’s riding you around. no obligation for him to get spiked into the ground if he lets go.
if your back gets taken no-gi, the guy on your back should be able to finish you. there are some pretty uncomfortable ways to get a dudes chin up in order to sink the choke…they all suck when applied at full force.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]Valor wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]slimjim wrote:
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
[quote]Valor wrote:
Fallin on your back is the equal to a hail mary in football. If it fails, your done.[/quote]
And like I said, I’ve never rolled (and only been training MT for about 4 months) before, so I’m legitimately curious as to what the recommended escape for that is. I just saw that Brammer was clearly still conscious when he tapped, so he could’ve done something. I’ve never seen a guy get tapped on a standing RNC before so I was curious about that.[/quote]
It was an awkward position that isn’t really trained that often unless it happens while sparring. Honestly it can seem like leaning into the cage offers a bit of respite as you can get pressure on the guy on your back and potentially turn into him, but really it is better (in my opinion) to use the ground, your bodyweight, and gravity to pin the guys hips while turning, rather than attempting to remain standing and leaning on the cage…I can’t remember who used the escape, but I have seen a guy tripod a little bit, get the guy high on his back, then jump head first towards the ground letting the guy on his back hit his head on the mat and get out that way. maybe urijah did it?[/quote]
Sounds like something Urijah would do.
First thing that you want to do though is to get your damn chin to your chest. Sure it can still be uncomfortable to have someone squeezing on your face, but you aren’t going to go unconscious (or at the very least it’s going to take quite a bit longer). That will buy you time to do whichever escape you choose.[/quote]
I agree. And control that hand on top of your head if you can. If you can turn your face into the bend of the elbow around your neck you can get enough space to hold on…maybe let the guy tire then try to turn into him?
Really though…unless you’re Urijah or someother freak…if the guy on your back knows his stuff…you’re in trouble. Real world… i bite. :)[/quote]
If the arm is under your chin it is pretty tough to bite it (unless you have buggs bunny front teeth)[/quote]
Yeah, biting wouldn’t be a very appropriate strategy from that position.
i doubt Ace will go down in weight, and it’s a little quick to throw Jones in with lil Nog. I foresee a ko loss in jones future.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
lol, i’m pretty sure it isn’t an illegal technique as you aren’t controlling the guy when you jump, he’s riding you around. no obligation for him to get spiked into the ground if he lets go.
if your back gets taken no-gi, the guy on your back should be able to finish you. there are some pretty uncomfortable ways to get a dudes chin up in order to sink the choke…they all suck when applied at full force.[/quote]
You are not shititng.
lol
Roy “The Belly” Nelson can fight, now how would he fair against Brock?
[quote]50_Caliber wrote:
Roy “The Belly” Nelson can fight, now how would he fair against Brock?[/quote]
Brock would get side control and either rip Nelson’s arm off or break his face. Just my opinion.
Well Nog is going to fight Vera at 109, along with Couture versus Coleman.