Ed lost, what a stupid show. That skinny prick had nothing but one rear choke(WHICH ED SURVIVED BTW) and Ed had the rest of the fight.
What was also interesting when Ed had him in that sub and Kendal (imo) tapped…but i guess for a split second, it wasnt clear enough and seemed to get back into it. Was very weird. Imo Ed was thrashing the shit outa him and was being very agressive, I really can’t see how they gave that to Kendal.
I mean the rounds go 5:00, not 5:15. You cant just go “well i think ill give the round to kendal because he wouuldve tapped him out”…thats like saying “well you know ed couldve got out of his guard and smashed his face and got the ko”…
Judge the fight by what happens not what couldve happened.
If you watch the fight again you may see why they gave it to Kendall. I thought they both were fantastic and I thought the fight itself was damn good.
I was surprised in Ed, because the whole season he talked and talked and when it came time for him to fight he wasn’t impressive during the show much at all, but he showed up last night.
I have to say no one has lost on the UFC show more times than Jesse Forbes, I really don’t think its a sport he will excell in.
Matt looked much more well-rounded this time, he had his hands up and was exchanging much better blows than when he fought on the show. He was so much stronger than Jesse.
Michael Bisping is a very great fighter to watch, his movements look fluid and intelligent.
[quote]allNatural wrote:
? the undercard is the matt hammill/jesse forbes fight…silly. I’m glad bisping won but josh was one tough motherfucker[/quote]
He was one, tough…punching bag.
Fat boys are made to take hits. He came down from 300, and it showed. He’s a completely worthless fighter. Was flopping around like a jellyfish even before he started getting the shit kicked out of him by Bisping.
As for that mentally challenged guy, Matt, he’s obviously going to have his tard strength as one of his major advantages. Also probably has a very high pain threshold. A fiercesome opponent. The best fighter of the entire lot.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
As for that mentally challenged guy, Matt, he’s obviously going to have his tard strength as one of his major advantages. Also probably has a very high pain threshold. A fiercesome opponent. The best fighter of the entire lot.[/quote]
I assume you are joking with this comment. Matt is not mentally challenged, he simply can’t hear. Big difference.
[quote]Rookie21 wrote:
What was also interesting when Ed had him in that sub and Kendal (imo) tapped…but i guess for a split second, it wasnt clear enough and seemed to get back into it. Was very weird. Imo Ed was thrashing the shit outa him and was being very agressive, I really can’t see how they gave that to Kendal.
I mean the rounds go 5:00, not 5:15. You cant just go “well i think ill give the round to kendal because he wouuldve tapped him out”…thats like saying “well you know ed couldve got out of his guard and smashed his face and got the ko”…
Judge the fight by what happens not what couldve happened.[/quote]
Uh what happened is Kendall won the fight on the scorecards.
Realistically it could have been called for either fighter so I’m sick of hearing about how Ed got robbed; Kendall stole the last round by virtue of finishing stronger. If that had gone another round, I don’t know if Ed would’ve had anything left to give, he was spent.
Finally we get judges who don’t score takedowns as controlling the fight and we get all this whining…being on top does not necessarily mean you are in the dominate position if you are in the other guys guard.
This bullshit about the tapping needs to end as well…unless you tap three times it does not signify you giving up. Kendall and Ed both appeared to tap, but they were only twice apiece, not legit tap outs.
[quote]nptitim wrote:
I assume you are joking with this comment. Matt is not mentally challenged, he simply can’t hear. Big difference.[/quote]
Wasn’t a joke. He’s deaf? I only saw/heard him once, and he was talkin’ like a 'tard. But if he’s only deaf, then scratch what I wrote.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
nptitim wrote:
I assume you are joking with this comment. Matt is not mentally challenged, he simply can’t hear. Big difference.
Wasn’t a joke. He’s deaf? I only saw/heard him once, and he was talkin’ like a 'tard. But if he’s only deaf, then scratch what I wrote.
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did you see him moving his hands around? that’s called sign language.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Wasn’t a joke. He’s deaf? I only saw/heard him once, and he was talkin’ like a 'tard. But if he’s only deaf, then scratch what I wrote.
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Dear Lord… Have you never heard a deaf person talk before? That’s how they sound, being that they can’t really hear the noises they are producing…
I’d find this misunderstanding far more amusing if you called Matt a 'tard to his face…
Yeah, I definitely wouldn’t mess with the guy that tips cows for a “good workout”.
I was happy with the TUF 3 Finale…except that it dragged on too long. Too much time inbetween fights.
The opener was good and Jardine deserved to get the win, as he dominated round 2 and also controlled the last half of round 3. Still doesn’t make up for his bogus loss to Bonnar, though.
Grove-Herman was razor-thin…I had Grove winning only b/c his submission attempts looked they had a better chance of stopping Herman than Herman’s submissions did on Grove. But, I wouldn’t have been mad had the judges scored it for Grove. Good to see him get a contract, though.
Bisping has a bright future in the UFC. I see him being a contender at either 205 or 185 with some more seasoning. Josh Haynes showed a lot of heart in a losing effort.
Ken-Flo (terrible nickname) surprised me with how fast he was able to submit Stout. I knew Stout would have trouble on the ground, but I thought he’d at least be able to keep it standing longer than he did. Still don’t buy Florian being able to hang with a returning Jens Pulver, though.
Matt (Tito Jr.) Hamill looked good…although I wish they’d have shown Mike Nickels’ fight instead…he pulled what was considered a big upset in his fight (name is escaping me right now).
The card for Wednesday’s Ultimate Fight Night 5 looks to be really good…hopefully the fights will deliver.
If the big deaf guy works on his hands he’ll be a monster. He’s sicko strong.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
nptitim wrote:
I assume you are joking with this comment. Matt is not mentally challenged, he simply can’t hear. Big difference.
Wasn’t a joke. He’s deaf? I only saw/heard him once, and he was talkin’ like a 'tard. But if he’s only deaf, then scratch what I wrote.
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Just so you know saying words like “'tard” in a passive cynical manner in no way makes you sly, cool, or edgy, it just makes you look like a sorry attempt at being a moron. As said a deaf person has no auditory input so hence their speech is massively different as they have never heard the pronounciation of sounds by others.
It would be much funnier if you would run that internet mouth in front of either of those guys, even Josh would go right through you.
Kendall’s improvement is pretty damn surprising, I see good things for Team Punishment.
Shrug. As I said, I saw him only once, and he looked/sounded retarded. Do I enjoy sayin’ the word, “tard”? Why, yes, I do, to be honest. I think it’s a clever term. However, if he’s only deaf, then so be it. I never knocked his fighting skill.
If I said to his face that he was retarded and got my ass kicked, would that repudiate my claim? No, it wouldn’t. Two seperate issues. I would gladly take Haynes the jellyfish on…that guy is a joke.
Matt would be difficult to fight, no doubt, but why shy away from a challenge? Easy fights are not good fights.
How do I think I’d fare against a “pro fighter”? Let me put it this way:
All “sports fighters” are performers. There is no such thing as a combat sport which duplicates a real fight. In a real fight, the winner lives and the loser either gets killed or crippled. For obvious reasons, you cannot turn this into a “sport”. Thus, all “fighting sports” are weak imitations of true combat. The fact that I have not been conditioned to fight under a strict set of rules would GREATLY work to my advantage in a legitimate combat situation.
The shit you see on TV…it’s bullshit. Fun to watch, yes. “Real”, in the sense of being non-staged and dynamic, yes. But you’re not watching a true fight. You’re watching a pro wrestling match with slightly different rules in which the outcome isn’t determined from the start. The things they do on TV would never happen in real life…they are strictly a product of the rulesets of their respective “combat sports”.
I firmly believe that 95% of all true fights are mental, and no amount of “training” can change this. In fact, physical training is so irrelevant to the outcome of a real fight that it is hardly worth bothering with. It is all in your head, and for most people, it’s something they are born with. Very few individuals are capable of strengthening themselves MENTALLY and EMOTIONALLY. The most physically strong men tend to be intellectual and emotional weaklings. This is nature’s way of preserving balance.
With that said, I think I’d have a fighting chance against just about anybody. There’s nothing more important to me than my own wellbeing.
[quote]EmperialChina wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
nptitim wrote:
I assume you are joking with this comment. Matt is not mentally challenged, he simply can’t hear. Big difference.
Wasn’t a joke. He’s deaf? I only saw/heard him once, and he was talkin’ like a 'tard. But if he’s only deaf, then scratch what I wrote.
Just so you know saying words like “'tard” in a passive cynical manner in no way makes you sly, cool, or edgy, it just makes you look like a sorry attempt at being a moron.
It would be much funnier if you would run that internet mouth in front of either of those guys, even Josh would go right through you.
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I’d say it was a very effective attempt at being a moron.
and yes, josh was a very tough…punching bag, and yes, he would probably still go through this guy easily
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
physical training is so irrelevant to the outcome of a real fight that it is hardly worth bothering with.[/quote]
Quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read on T-Nation.
[quote]Steve4192 wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
physical training is so irrelevant to the outcome of a real fight that it is hardly worth bothering with.
Quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read on T-Nation.
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i second that. I don’t mind stupid people (this being a very severe case), but I do mind when they choose to spread it around where (judging by this quote), they don’t belong anyway. Physical training hardly worth bothering with? estrogen nation is -------> way!
[quote]allNatural wrote:
Steve4192 wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
physical training is so irrelevant to the outcome of a real fight that it is hardly worth bothering with.
Quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read on T-Nation.
i second that. I don’t mind stupid people (this being a very severe case), but I do mind when they choose to spread it around where (judging by this quote), they don’t belong anyway. Physical training hardly worth bothering with? estrogen nation is -------> way!
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C’mon now, nobody said physical training is hardly worth bothering with. Do you really think anyone who visits this site believes that?? That statement was strictly relating to the outcome of a fight. And although some people may not want to beleive it, in many cases, it’s true!!!
Obviously you dont need to be able to run a 4 minute mile or have a 300lb bench press in order to knock someone out.
[quote]adamkn wrote:
allNatural wrote:
Steve4192 wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
physical training is so irrelevant to the outcome of a real fight that it is hardly worth bothering with.
Quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read on T-Nation.
i second that. I don’t mind stupid people (this being a very severe case), but I do mind when they choose to spread it around where (judging by this quote), they don’t belong anyway. Physical training hardly worth bothering with? estrogen nation is -------> way!
C’mon now, nobody said physical training is hardly worth bothering with. Do you really think anyone who visits this site believes that?? That statement was strictly relating to the outcome of a fight. And although some people may not want to beleive it, in many cases, it’s true!!!
Obviously you dont need to be able to run a 4 minute mile or have a 300lb bench press in order to knock someone out.
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I know what it was relating to.
[quote]adamkn wrote:
Obviously you dont need to be able to run a 4 minute mile or have a 300lb bench press in order to knock someone out.
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He wasn’t talking about weight training. He was talking about ALL the physical training that fighters undertake in preparation for a fight.
If you really believe that fighters are wasting their time on:
- refining fighting skills/techniques
- full-contact sparring
- flexibility/strength/cardio training
Then you too are an idiot.
If you believe that a world class muay thai fighter with black belt in BJJ is at a disadvantange in a street fight because he is used to fighting with rules, then you are freaking delusional. That was the premise of the post I was referring to as ‘dumbest ever’.