Was a nice win by Florian but I don’t think he deserves another shot yet, there is Tyson Griffin, George Sotiropilis and Gray Maynard all waiting.
Nelson looked good I think he should fight Mir. Miguel Torres called Struve Powder on steroids lmao.
[quote]drewh wrote:
Was a nice win by Florian but I don’t think he deserves another shot yet, there is Tyson Griffin, George Sotiropilis and Gray Maynard all waiting.
Nelson looked good I think he should fight Mir. Miguel Torres called Struve Powder on steroids lmao. [/quote]
I foresee ANY of those three being next for Florian. Sotiropoulos looked great against Stevenson…would love to see how he does against Florian or Maynard next.
[quote]drewh wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]BigBartDawg66 wrote:
this is the problem with talking about sports. great is so overused. everything is a “great” play, everyone is a “great” fighter/player. i take great to mean someone or something that is outstanding. if those guys you listed are great, how do you describe AS, BJ, GSP, Fedor? Great too? They’re in the same category? KenFlo and BJ? Faber is in the same category as GSP? For the record, i like the guys you mentioned (minus rampage). I love the Diaz Bros as fighters. but not everyone who has a good record or even has a few great fights is great. great is the upper echelon. if everybody is great, no one stands out. no one is outstanding. and isn’t that what great is?[/quote]
While I agree with your main point, I’d actually say that Faber should be considered in the same class as BJ, GSP, and AS. He was just as dominant for a period there at his weight class as any of those guys and is still right up there as one of the best featherweights of all time. His record is also comparable to any of those guys (other than Fedor, who IMO is in a class by himself).[/quote]
Miguel Torres too, I hope he can get back on track.[/quote]
Yup.
Hey gang, this might actually be a better topic for a new thread, but figured I’d toss it here since it seemed semi-relevant:
What would we say is Carwin’s weakness?
I’m trying to look at him without bias, but I really can’t see it. Redonkulous striking power, solid wrestling pedigree, solid chin from what I can recall. So… thoughts? Has he been tested on the ground, in terms of BJJ defense? Cardio maybe? He hasn’t needed to go beyond the first round, so it isn’t clear.
Any insights?
Striking, he has poor head movement, has shown he can be takendown, and has been rocked. imo Valasquez can win that fight so can JDS depending on his ground game.
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Hey gang, this might actually be a better topic for a new thread, but figured I’d toss it here since it seemed semi-relevant:
What would we say is Carwin’s weakness?
I’m trying to look at him without bias, but I really can’t see it. Redonkulous striking power, solid wrestling pedigree, solid chin from what I can recall. So… thoughts? Has he been tested on the ground, in terms of BJJ defense? Cardio maybe? He hasn’t needed to go beyond the first round, so it isn’t clear.
Any insights?[/quote]
this is a very good question. i personally have not seen him in any situation where he needed to use his BJJ at all, let alone defensively.
I think a good technical striker could do very well against him. Mir was able to defend his takedown attempt against the cage so if someone was able to control the fight on the feet they could keep it there. I think Mir’s standup has become overrated lately due to his performance against Nogueira, a more technically sound striker may have fared better.
Bottom line, his striking is powerful enough to cause probelms for anyone. I do think someone like Brock or Cain would have the upper hand with their wrestling and could potentially take him down and Ground and Pound. I am not saying his TDD sucks, I am just thinking of possible strategies that could be used against him.
To neutralize his striking I think you would need someone who can use their jab effectively to disrupt his rhythm and timing. I do not think anyone wants to trade with him.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]BigBartDawg66 wrote:
this is the problem with talking about sports. great is so overused. everything is a “great” play, everyone is a “great” fighter/player. i take great to mean someone or something that is outstanding. if those guys you listed are great, how do you describe AS, BJ, GSP, Fedor? Great too? They’re in the same category? KenFlo and BJ? Faber is in the same category as GSP? For the record, i like the guys you mentioned (minus rampage). I love the Diaz Bros as fighters. but not everyone who has a good record or even has a few great fights is great. great is the upper echelon. if everybody is great, no one stands out. no one is outstanding. and isn’t that what great is?[/quote]
While I agree with your main point, I’d actually say that Faber should be considered in the same class as BJ, GSP, and AS. He was just as dominant for a period there at his weight class as any of those guys and is still right up there as one of the best featherweights of all time. His record is also comparable to any of those guys (other than Fedor, who IMO is in a class by himself).[/quote]
i checked out faber’s record after reading this and i agree with you. i guess i didnt realize his record was that impressive and now he looks like he’s going to make a run at getting the title back. thanks
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Hey gang, this might actually be a better topic for a new thread, but figured I’d toss it here since it seemed semi-relevant:
What would we say is Carwin’s weakness?
I’m trying to look at him without bias, but I really can’t see it. Redonkulous striking power, solid wrestling pedigree, solid chin from what I can recall. So… thoughts? Has he been tested on the ground, in terms of BJJ defense? Cardio maybe? He hasn’t needed to go beyond the first round, so it isn’t clear.
Any insights?[/quote]
He doesn’t have a very good defense from the feet, he is very straight forward. But since he is able to take as well as he gives he has not needed one yet.
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Hey gang, this might actually be a better topic for a new thread, but figured I’d toss it here since it seemed semi-relevant:
What would we say is Carwin’s weakness?
I’m trying to look at him without bias, but I really can’t see it. Redonkulous striking power, solid wrestling pedigree, solid chin from what I can recall. So… thoughts? Has he been tested on the ground, in terms of BJJ defense? Cardio maybe? He hasn’t needed to go beyond the first round, so it isn’t clear.
Any insights?[/quote]
If by weaknesses you mean attributes, then I’d say maybe cardio, and maybe experience (at least in later rounds). But, like you said, he hasn’t needed to really rely on these because his other attributes are so strong.
If by weaknesses you mean holes in his game, then from what I’ve seen:
-very little (in fact almost no) lateral or angular movement when striking
-fairly weak/inactive jab (doesn’t really use it to control distance, just kind of throws it as a precursor to his straight right)
-head hunter (never seen him go to the body)
-predictable combinations (only ever really throws the 1+2, and never really uses any kind of broken rhythm or other deception to throw off opponent’s timing)
-not much head movement (though he seemed like he’s been working on slipping more in the Mir fight)
-Not great takedowns (though not bad either)
-Not great (and by great I mean elite) takedown defense (though again, not bad either)
-untested submission defense
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Hey gang, this might actually be a better topic for a new thread, but figured I’d toss it here since it seemed semi-relevant:
What would we say is Carwin’s weakness?
I’m trying to look at him without bias, but I really can’t see it. Redonkulous striking power, solid wrestling pedigree, solid chin from what I can recall. So… thoughts? Has he been tested on the ground, in terms of BJJ defense? Cardio maybe? He hasn’t needed to go beyond the first round, so it isn’t clear.
Any insights?[/quote]
If by weaknesses you mean attributes, then I’d say maybe cardio, and maybe experience (at least in later rounds). But, like you said, he hasn’t needed to really rely on these because his other attributes are so strong.
If by weaknesses you mean holes in his game, then from what I’ve seen:
-very little (in fact almost no) lateral or angular movement when striking
-fairly weak/inactive jab (doesn’t really use it to control distance, just kind of throws it as a precursor to his straight right)
-head hunter (never seen him go to the body)
-predictable combinations (only ever really throws the 1+2, and never really uses any kind of broken rhythm or other deception to throw off opponent’s timing)
-not much head movement (though he seemed like he’s been working on slipping more in the Mir fight)
-Not great takedowns (though not bad either)
-Not great (and by great I mean elite) takedown defense (though again, not bad either)
-untested submission defense[/quote]
I think it’s safe to take “cardio” off the list of weaknesses. I don’t know of any collegiate wrestling champions who have weak cardio. In fact, they are mostly known for their great cardio. The fact that he hasn’t gone beyond the first round is a strong testimony to his ability. But, don’t let that fool you into thinking that he can’t go 3-5 rounds.
Carwin’s weakness is a good technical boxer who can pick him apart while avoiding his power and who’s defensive grappling is good enough to keep the feet standing. Like Junior dos Santos, right Zeb? 
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Carwin’s weakness is a good technical boxer who can pick him apart while avoiding his power and who’s defensive grappling is good enough to keep the feet standing. Like Junior dos Santos, right Zeb? ;)[/quote]
I don’t see that happening. I don’t think Dos Santos would give Carwin much of a fight, sorry.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Hey gang, this might actually be a better topic for a new thread, but figured I’d toss it here since it seemed semi-relevant:
What would we say is Carwin’s weakness?
I’m trying to look at him without bias, but I really can’t see it. Redonkulous striking power, solid wrestling pedigree, solid chin from what I can recall. So… thoughts? Has he been tested on the ground, in terms of BJJ defense? Cardio maybe? He hasn’t needed to go beyond the first round, so it isn’t clear.
Any insights?[/quote]
If by weaknesses you mean attributes, then I’d say maybe cardio, and maybe experience (at least in later rounds). But, like you said, he hasn’t needed to really rely on these because his other attributes are so strong.
If by weaknesses you mean holes in his game, then from what I’ve seen:
-very little (in fact almost no) lateral or angular movement when striking
-fairly weak/inactive jab (doesn’t really use it to control distance, just kind of throws it as a precursor to his straight right)
-head hunter (never seen him go to the body)
-predictable combinations (only ever really throws the 1+2, and never really uses any kind of broken rhythm or other deception to throw off opponent’s timing)
-not much head movement (though he seemed like he’s been working on slipping more in the Mir fight)
-Not great takedowns (though not bad either)
-Not great (and by great I mean elite) takedown defense (though again, not bad either)
-untested submission defense[/quote]
I think it’s safe to take “cardio” off the list of weaknesses. I don’t know of any collegiate wrestling champions who have weak cardio. In fact, they are mostly known for their great cardio. The fact that he hasn’t gone beyond the first round is a strong testimony to his ability. But, don’t let that fool you into thinking that he can’t go 3-5 rounds. [/quote]
yeah this really isn’t true at all
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Carwin’s weakness is a good technical boxer who can pick him apart while avoiding his power and who’s defensive grappling is good enough to keep the feet standing. Like Junior dos Santos, right Zeb? ;)[/quote]
I don’t see that happening. I don’t think Dos Santos would give Carwin much of a fight, sorry.[/quote]
I should’ve added a [/messing with zeb] tag…
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Carwin’s weakness is a good technical boxer who can pick him apart while avoiding his power and who’s defensive grappling is good enough to keep the feet standing. Like Junior dos Santos, right Zeb? ;)[/quote]
I don’t see that happening. I don’t think Dos Santos would give Carwin much of a fight, sorry.[/quote]
I should’ve added a [/messing with zeb] tag…[/quote]
I just wanted to let you know that I was reading 