UFC 91 - Couture vs. Lesnar

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Tyrant wrote:
edit: and CLaw, just because your wife is pregnant is no reason to stay with her if you were going to leave her anyway. I’ll never let myself have a marriage that I hate because she got pregnant.

Please, please do not try to justify leaving a pregnant woman for another chick. a) there are far better things to argue about, especially on a mma forum b)if you’re really so uncertain about the relationship that you mey very well be leaving her within the next nine months, knocking her up is probably not a good idea

I was just pissed because the fight got stopped on these stupid flurry punches. I honestly dont believe they were causing much damage. watching the replays about a third didnt land, and none of them were really wound up, just rapid fire from short distance.[/quote]

Randy was out. He stayed down for awhile.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
One more thing:
Lesnar isn’t a phantom anymore.
His next opponent will have a good idea of what to expect now. [/quote]

An ass beating?

I love wrestling and and have lived in MN my entire life, so I am a bit of a Brock nuthugger, but here is my assesment.

  1. Somebody work with him on key locks. When he had Randy down, he was doing whatever he wanted with Randy’s arm. There may not be many people that can defend against a key lock from Brock.

  2. Bring in a huge Judo or Greco Roman champion to work with him. He should be able to toss anyone from the clinch, but only seems to like the double-leg.

  3. Someone work with him on his Muay Tie clinch. If he gets the plumb he’s either going to break your jaw or your arms if you try and block his knees.

  4. He should work with one of the Gillinghams here in MN. Get rid of all the machines and start training strongman-style.

The guy is genetic freak and has the potential to be unstoppable if works with the right people.

As much as I wanted to think that he wasn’t ready for Randy, I just couldn’t force myself to beleive he was going to lose this fight. I am feeling the same way about the possibility of Nog or Mir. To be frank, I think he would have more problems with Carwin or Gonzaga. Both are better strikers and should be able to defend the takedown reasonably well.

Lesnar is just the start of things to come. As we start to see salaries go up, we will continue to see world-class atheletes come to MMA. MMA still has nowhere near the class of atheletes that other major sports do, but will start to see this change.

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[quote]dhickey wrote:
MMA still has nowhere near the class of atheletes that other major sports do, but will start to see this change.[/quote]

I agree with everything you said, except for that line.

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[quote]ProfessorCHAOS96 wrote:
dhickey wrote:
MMA still has nowhere near the class of atheletes that other major sports do, but will start to see this change.

I agree with everything you said, except for that line.

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Maybe I should clarify. Not knocking dedication or hardwork. Really just speaking to guys that are genetic freaks like lesnar. MMA doesn’t have the physical specimens or atheletes that the NFL has. Not even close. Especially true in the HW division.

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[quote]Burst wrote:
Did anyone else hear Brock thank God, and then say “God bless you”… to God?

This was after he said God gave him his mind, and his body, implying that both were supernatural.[/quote]

Supernatural? I think he was thanking God for giving him the genetics he has…

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I think crocop would do good agaisnt brock, but crocop just needs to learn how to fight on the defense, which is why he’s lost his last two fights.

But brock I think has the same problem, he seems so “flustered” i guess when someones pushing him, but the SECOND someone backs up he charges them like a bull. Which I think is going to get him headkicked one day.

edit: and i forgot who posted that one brock got cut he wouldnt know how to act, man he didnt give two shits about bleeding.

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[quote]djsoil wrote:
Burst wrote:
Did anyone else hear Brock thank God, and then say “God bless you”… to God?

This was after he said God gave him his mind, and his body, implying that both were supernatural.

Supernatural? I think he was thanking God for giving him the genetics he has…
[/quote]

x2

God did give him his mind and his body. That doesn’t imply both are supernatural. God gave me my mind and my body… but that doesn’t mean I’m saying I’m supernatural. He’s just thankful. :slight_smile:

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Maia is a choke pimp. He is gonna tear up 185 and will probably pick up the belt after Anderson retires(though I would love to see these two go at it).

The main event wasn’t much of a surprise. Randy is just too old to be much of a threat against someone like Brock.

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[quote]dhickey wrote:
ProfessorCHAOS96 wrote:
dhickey wrote:
MMA still has nowhere near the class of atheletes that other major sports do, but will start to see this change.

I agree with everything you said, except for that line.

Maybe I should clarify. Not knocking dedication or hardwork. Really just speaking to guys that are genetic freaks like lesnar. MMA doesn’t have the physical specimens or atheletes that the NFL has. Not even close. Especially true in the HW division.[/quote]

Right on, I catch your drift now. For some reason the NFL didn’t cross my mind when I thought about what you said. MMA’s HW class right now IMHO is a joke.

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[quote]Tyrant wrote:
I think crocop would do good agaisnt brock, but crocop just needs to learn how to fight on the defense, which is why he’s lost his last two fights.

But brock I think has the same problem, he seems so “flustered” i guess when someones pushing him, but the SECOND someone backs up he charges them like a bull. Which I think is going to get him headkicked one day.

edit: and i forgot who posted that one brock got cut he wouldnt know how to act, man he didnt give two shits about bleeding.[/quote]

Woo crocop is a badass. Did he ever fight couture? They are both awesome.

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[quote]dhickey wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Tyrant wrote:
edit: and CLaw, just because your wife is pregnant is no reason to stay with her if you were going to leave her anyway. I’ll never let myself have a marriage that I hate because she got pregnant.

Please, please do not try to justify leaving a pregnant woman for another chick. a) there are far better things to argue about, especially on a mma forum b)if you’re really so uncertain about the relationship that you mey very well be leaving her within the next nine months, knocking her up is probably not a good idea

I was just pissed because the fight got stopped on these stupid flurry punches. I honestly dont believe they were causing much damage. watching the replays about a third didnt land, and none of them were really wound up, just rapid fire from short distance.

Randy was out. He stayed down for awhile.
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Randy was responding to punches and moving about to change his defense - that’s why brock switched to the flurry of elbows. He didnt get up either becuase they didnt let him, or because he knew it was over and would do no good, not because he was out cold.

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Fucking audience booing at Lesnar even after the fight, seriously retarded in my opionion… He showed Randy Couture the appropriate respect, especially after the fight.

Couture simply didn’t have usefull offensive weapons… I thought he would have worked the submission angle more since that seems to be prettymuch “all” that one can do to Lesnar at this point(?), but his defense was still a lot better than what I personally expected it to be against someone as explosive and strong as Brock Lesnar.

It was a great fight and I doubt this was the last we see of Randy Couture.

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I was impressed by Couture for staying alive as well as he did, until he didn’t. I don’t get all the Lesnar hate.

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[quote]R@NE wrote:
Fucking audience booing at Lesnar even after the fight, seriously retarded in my opionion… He showed Randy Couture the appropriate respect, especially after the fight.[/quote]

I agree, you may not like Brocks past, or the fact that he’s gotten promoted so much and got to skip much of what most fighters go through to make it to the top, but there is no reason to boo him after that fight.

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So who actually watched the fight that knows anything, Randy was in his game until, the elbow, which he recovered nicely giving up probably about 60 pounds, and then a punch he just didn’t roll enough on, lesnar is a tool did nothing to improve himself,

he was gassed after the first round, and technically the punch that knocked randy down was behind his ear, supposedly illegal in unified rules for mma, kind of the like the knee he hit keith hearring with while he was on the ground after he pushed him over backwards.

I hope they let randy fight him again, that retard was trapped against the fence by someone much older and much smaller, he couldn’t hold him down, and he wasn’t control randy’s if you know anything you would realize randy was using wrist control from the bottom to create space for an escape.

This set MMA back so far, I hope he fights Mir or Nog, and gets something broke just welcome him to the sport, for real.

He is not just a genetic freak, it is chemical enhancement, he is a disrespectful. SOB.

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[quote]Tattoo85 wrote:
R@NE wrote:
Fucking audience booing at Lesnar even after the fight, seriously retarded in my opionion… He showed Randy Couture the appropriate respect, especially after the fight.

I agree, you may not like Brocks past, or the fact that he’s gotten promoted so much and got to skip much of what most fighters go through to make it to the top, but there is no reason to boo him after that fight.[/quote]

Because he is an idiot and set this sport back not pushed it forward.

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[quote]R@NE wrote:
Fucking audience booing at Lesnar even after the fight, seriously retarded in my opionion… He showed Randy Couture the appropriate respect, especially after the fight.

Couture simply didn’t have usefull offensive weapons… I thought he would have worked the submission angle more since that seems to be prettymuch “all” that one can do to Lesnar at this point(?), but his defense was still a lot better than what I personally expected it to be against someone as explosive and strong as Brock Lesnar.

It was a great fight and I doubt this was the last we see of Randy Couture. [/quote]

idiot, completely dismanteld lesnar’s offense, that was the point.

probably the plan, wear him down and then win. To bad Brock got lucky. And if you think it was anything more than that, congratulations, your an idiot.

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[quote]Tattoo85 wrote:
R@NE wrote:
Fucking audience booing at Lesnar even after the fight, seriously retarded in my opionion… He showed Randy Couture the appropriate respect, especially after the fight.

I agree, you may not like Brocks past, or the fact that he’s gotten promoted so much and got to skip much of what most fighters go through to make it to the top, but there is no reason to boo him after that fight.[/quote]

I have to say in his UFC debut against Mir, I was seriously hoping he would lose. I wanted exactly what happened to happen. I felt he needed a kick in the ass at first to show him (and the world) that MMA isnt some sport that any big dude who thinks he’s badass can just walk right into and become good at simply because hes huge.

Plus if you look at Brock punch in that first fight, its extremely mechanical - his punches have no where near the power they potentially could have. The Herring fight was ok - he definitely showed improvement.

Now I actually believe he has earned his place in the UFC - and look forward to seeing him fight more. I don’t think it’ll be a straight winning streak for him for awhile though. There are still people better than him. Fedor would still beat him I believe.

Now to go slightly off topic I’m going to make some future predictions. -

In boxing they say styles make fights. I don’t think Randy is down and out. What was demonstrated in this fight merely showed that experience only takes you so far. Randy is old, he ain’t as strong as a 30 year old. When you put him up against a physical specimen the caliber of Lesnar, it’s apparent you can’t make up the difference with experience alone.

However you put Randy up against Fedor, Randy might have a shot. Ya Fedor is an animal - but physically he isnt at Lesnar’s level. Randy’s experience can play more of a factor in that fight as they are closer in terms of strength and conditioning.

By the same token you put Fedor up against Brock, they are roughly the same age. Fedor is not as physical as Brock but I think more so than Randy - and Fedor is able to use his experience. - Hope you got the point I was trying to make

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:
R@NE wrote:
Fucking audience booing at Lesnar even after the fight, seriously retarded in my opionion… He showed Randy Couture the appropriate respect, especially after the fight.

Couture simply didn’t have usefull offensive weapons… I thought he would have worked the submission angle more since that seems to be prettymuch “all” that one can do to Lesnar at this point(?), but his defense was still a lot better than what I personally expected it to be against someone as explosive and strong as Brock Lesnar.

It was a great fight and I doubt this was the last we see of Randy Couture.

idiot, completely dismanteld lesnar’s offense, that was the point.

probably the plan, wear him down and then win. To bad Brock got lucky. And if you think it was anything more than that, congratulations, your an idiot.[/quote]

Really? Randy was quite frankly out of his league last night…I had hopes that Brock might gas due to the adrenaline pump, but he managed to settle in and completely dominate the fight. I don’t know how you could have seen that fight any other way.