there is nothing disrespective about that statement. Hughes didn’t perform well and GSP was citing his opinion. ig Hughes isn’t able to man up and admit he wasn’t impressive in that fight then ignorance is bliss i guess.
I expect GSP to take the title.
Did you find GSP’s performance all that impressive against Penn?
I didnt’ actually. Although I think by points GSP did beat Penn but it certainly wasn’t an impressive victory.
I don’t like Penn all that much but I give him props for being able to not fall into the strength of his opponent.
GSP vs Hughes will be a good fight. Although Hughes won by the arm bar, up to the point that happened I think GSP was ahead.[/quote]
I like Hughes and Penn, but as stated wanted Hughes to win this time to gaurentee a third. GSP is a great fighter but I really don’t care for him so much. He very well could take the belt from Hughes, but I hope not. If so, I’m sure Penn wouldn’t be far behind to challenge GSP if he becomes champ. Then Penn can even the score and leave GSP beltless in the first year of his championship.
BJ Penn should have won, plain and simple. He is just a better fighter in every sense of the word. He’s a better striker, better grappler, and has inhuman takedown defense. He would have destroyed Hughes if it weren’t for the rib injury.
Did you guys forget that BJ Penn took this fight on short notice? Also, in a post fight interview he said that he might have broken a rib during the second round. He says he had been training 5-6 rounds no problem prior to the fight and the ribs is what got to him, not his stamina.
BJ has never made excuses before and even says in this interview that he congratuates Hughes on his victory, so I have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he did suffer an injury. I don’t know how he decided to answer the bell entering the 3rd round, I’ve seen a guy suffer a seperated rib in a tourney, and he couldn’t even pick himself up off the mat, painful.
Disappointing way to lose nonetheless, but I hope he comes back with a renewed vigor for fighting. So much potential to be the best fighter ever, but lack of drive could be his undoing.
I’d hate to see what would happen if he came in and fought Sanchez unprepared, the potential for Sanchez to lay a beating on him by just relentlessly attacking him would be bad. However, BJ could kick his ass in the first round and end it, so who knows…I just don’t like that matchup.
As for a rubber match, I don’t know if Hughes would want to face BJ again. I know if I were him, I wouldn’t…totally outclassed for two rounds until BJ was injured? I’d start thinking about retirement if I were him.
What about when Penn popped Hughes in the eye hard and Hughes got the ref to break the fight because he couldn’t see. He was totally defenseless at that point and the only reason he didn’t lose right there was he because of his acting skills.
I watched the replay many, many times and what I saw was that Hughes just took a really hard but clean shot to the eye. There was no need for the ref to step in. Total BS.
there is nothing disrespective about that statement. Hughes didn’t perform well and GSP was citing his opinion. ig Hughes isn’t able to man up and admit he wasn’t impressive in that fight then ignorance is bliss i guess.
I expect GSP to take the title.
Did you find GSP’s performance all that impressive against Penn?
I didnt’ actually. Although I think by points GSP did beat Penn but it certainly wasn’t an impressive victory.
I don’t like Penn all that much but I give him props for being able to not fall into the strength of his opponent.
GSP vs Hughes will be a good fight. Although Hughes won by the arm bar, up to the point that happened I think GSP was ahead.[/quote]
All Hughes had to do was take the microphone away from GSP and say…“likewise…I wasn’t impressed with your performance when you beat BJ…” and the crowd would have erupted and Hughes could have gotten the last laugh! Nuff said.
It really was a great fight, the first two rounds anyway. The last one wasn’t really a fight because Penn didn’t do anything, just taking the shots from Hughes. The ribb seperation gives a new view to things, and I’m glad to hear that Bj doesn’t have that crappy cardio.
But the really scary thing is that Hughes couldn’t ko Bj even though he hit him both standing and when he had him pinned. Those punches didn’s seem to hurt him at all, Hughes dream of his first ko in UFC seems like it will never come.
Holy Moly It seems for anyone to get fair comments when fighting BJ is to just loose. The first 2 rounds were great, The poke in the eye , yep GSP got the same thing from BJ. Cardio problem well yes he has one , all this i love to fight live to fight and my ilfe is training crap and still gassed against GSP , I love the fights but damn give the man his proper respect.
The standup knockout and submission master couldnt take Matt out , A lessor fighter would have tapped. Oh thats right Bj lost because of his ribs and thats right he didnt loose to GSP either… I like my fav fighter to win too but wow is this T nation sight or Bj excuse web page !!
[quote]glb323 wrote:
Holy Moly It seems for anyone to get fair comments when fighting BJ is to just loose. The first 2 rounds were great, The poke in the eye , yep GSP got the same thing from BJ. Cardio problem well yes he has one , all this i love to fight live to fight and my ilfe is training crap and still gassed against GSP , I love the fights but damn give the man his proper respect.
The standup knockout and submission master couldnt take Matt out , A lessor fighter would have tapped. Oh thats right Bj lost because of his ribs and thats right he didnt loose to GSP either… I like my fav fighter to win too but wow is this T nation sight or Bj excuse web page !![/quote]
I agree most people aren’t giving Hughes enough props, myself included, but this is pretty mild compared to the discussion on most MMA sites.
Everybody has to look into the fighters heart, not his natural talent, not his strenght but his heart.
The way Hughes didn’t give up on the triangle/armbar for 30 seconds shows his fighting spirit.
Same thing went on with GSP vs Penn. George got thumbed in the eye (just like Hughes) but he kept fighting even if i he didn’t see much of Penn’s punch coming after that.
[quote]glb323 wrote:
Holy Moly It seems for anyone to get fair comments when fighting BJ is to just loose. The first 2 rounds were great, The poke in the eye , yep GSP got the same thing from BJ. Cardio problem well yes he has one , all this i love to fight live to fight and my ilfe is training crap and still gassed against GSP , I love the fights but damn give the man his proper respect.
The standup knockout and submission master couldnt take Matt out , A lessor fighter would have tapped. Oh thats right Bj lost because of his ribs and thats right he didnt loose to GSP either… I like my fav fighter to win too but wow is this T nation sight or Bj excuse web page !![/quote]
An injury is an injury. A shift from dominating a fight to being completely annihilated in one round begs the question of what happened in that off period.
If BJ gased, then yes, Hughes’ superior training gained him the victory. If BJ was injured, then Hughes benefitted from an unfortunate circumstance. Either way, Hughes won, but you can’t say that a win is just a win.
[quote]Hekk wrote:
Everybody has to look into the fighters heart, not his natural talent, not his strenght but his heart.
The way Hughes didn’t give up on the triangle/armbar for 30 seconds shows his fighting spirit.
Same thing went on with GSP vs Penn. George got thumbed in the eye (just like Hughes) but he kept fighting even if i he didn’t see much of Penn’s punch coming after that.[/quote]
Are you questioning Penn’s heart when he continued to fight even though he was defenseless?
If BJ was injured, then Hughes benefitted from an unfortunate circumstance. Either way, Hughes won, but you can’t say that a win is just a win.[/quote]
Sure I can.
Why was BJ injured? Because Matt Hughes put him in a bad position where BJ was forced to torque his body in an unnatural manner in order to escape. IF Penn separated a rib, Matt Hughes had a LOT to do with it. If Hughes hadn’t taken BJ down and stuffed him up against the fence, BJ would never have separated his rib.
This whole discussion reminds me of the constant wailing and moaning of Shogun Rua’s fans after he blew out an elbow trying to avoid a Marc Coleman takedown. The fact is, both Coleman and Hughes put their opponent in a bad position, causing that opponent to hurt himself in an effort to escape. End of story.
If BJ was injured, then Hughes benefitted from an unfortunate circumstance. Either way, Hughes won, but you can’t say that a win is just a win.
Sure I can.
Why was BJ injured? Because Matt Hughes put him in a bad position where BJ was forced to torque his body in an unnatural manner in order to escape. IF Penn separated a rib, Matt Hughes had a LOT to do with it. If Hughes hadn’t taken BJ down and stuffed him up against the fence, BJ would never have separated his rib.
This whole discussion reminds me of the constant wailing and moaning of Shogun Rua’s fans after he blew out an elbow trying to avoid a Marc Coleman takedown. The fact is, both Coleman and Hughes put their opponent in a bad position, causing that opponent to hurt himself in an effort to escape. End of story.[/quote]
Yeah, thats how you win a fight, freak injuries. Hughes sure has added to his extensive repetoire.
[quote]Mr90210 wrote:
If your the UFC what do you do next with the 170 lbs division?
Personally I’d book Penn/Sanchez and have the winner take on the winner of Hughes/GSP and the loser take on the loser.
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I’d like to see them do an 8-man tourney with the winner getting a shot at the title, whether its GSP or Hughes holding it. Its their best division and would be a nice way to change things up.
You could have any of these guys or include some up and coming unknowns:
Hughes/GSP depending on who loses in December
Penn
Sanchez
Karo
Nick Diaz
Joe Riggs
Neer
Jake Shields
Drew Ficket
etc etc
where do they go ,?/ great question , Hughes , GSP and Penn Three of the top fighters in the world , I prob would have to give the edge to GSP facing Hughes , Penn now , havent seen him in top shape and healthy in awhile so it is tough to gauge him right now, Those three are close almost a coin toss. Love to see it all again. Those three fighting anyone else in that weight class is sending the lamb to the slaughter house I would watch just to see what area in their fight game they have been working on.
Franklin vs swick , all i can say is poor swick , the crow gave him to much respect and should have came at him like he did with franklin ,
I like BJ. He is a great fighter but I am calling bullshit on the the rib injury. If you have broken or seperated ribs you do not hold onto a reverse triangle/armbar while smashed up against the cage for like 45 seconds then casually walk back your corner, never once grimacing in pain while your corner massages your shoulder. Neither did BJ never once show any pain when Matt was punching him in the side from his guard or half guard in the 3rd. You want to see what happens with an accute rib injury look at Ryan Gracie in Pride. He went down like a rock.
Although BJ one the first 2 rounds Matt pushed the pace of the fight. He made BJ fight at a pace that he could not maintain and he gased. Why do BJ’s fans have such a hard time accepting this. He ALMOST defeated the welterwight champion of the world but you don’t win fights in 2 rounds unless you KO, TKO or submit somebody. That’s like saying Miami didn’t deserve to win the NBA championship because Dallas whooped up on them the first to games of the finals. You have to finish win and BJ couldn’t do that on Saturday. Matt could.
As for BJ not being hurt. Dude he was slumped over in his corner for like 3 minutes after the fight. Some of Matt’s punches were love taps but some of those shots were connecting hard. I think BJ’s condition after the fight was a combination of the punches and being completely fatigued.
