UFC 143 - Diaz v Condit

Training
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I was never a Nick Diaz fan until his last few fights…he won me over with insane recovery and gritty work ethic, high work rate and suprisingly lucid and insightful comments when calm and relaxed.
However, I LOVED that Carlos did that to him. STuck to the plan and refused to fall into the Stockton Trap. The taunting and come and get me , let’s throwdown attitude etc.

BTW. Humble has a very good grasp of what footwork is and the rest should listen more.
Those leg kicks worked. Nick was wobbly on the lead leg by the 4th and he started getting hit because his mobility was slowed from that abuse (no matter how light). If you don’t believe me, try this next time you go to the gym. Get warmed up then have a buddy pop you with fast leg slaps to the thigh just above the knee. Space them by 10 seconds. Do a set of 10. Then take a 2 minute rest and box a light round of sparring. Good luck.

C’mon y’all, at one point late in the fight Condit hit Nick with a Left jab-left leg kick- right high kick combo …and then smoothly rolled out of the way. That’s being a superior striker…it’s fighting even if it’s not standing and slugging.

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[quote]Robert A wrote:
SIDETRACK/Derail:

DarkNinjaa,

Are you competing in figure or doing modeling? That looks like a “photo shoot” type avatar (lights/pose/suit/different hair). You look amazing, not that you don’t look amazing normally.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Yes, that’s a photo shoot avi :slight_smile: But I aint the woman there. I’m a ‘‘man’’ around these parts :wink:

These days I do some modelling, yea, but I’m not a competitor.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Anything short of getting completely KTFO, Diaz would bitch about he thought he didn’t really lose.

Anything short of getting completely dominated, Diaz nuthuggers would bitch about he really shouldn’t have lost, or the other guy is a pussy etc.

Hell even if he did get completely dominated, someone would make an excuse for him. If this had been GSP vs Diaz, it would’ve been GSP dominating the fight with takedowns all night, yet it would still be the same thing: Diaz bitching about how he’s not hurt and that GSP is a pussy for not standing in front of him, and Diaz nuthuggers bitching about how GSP is a pussy for not letting Diaz do his thing???

Ridiculous.

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Hell fucking yeah.

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:
I have a hard time seeing Diaz as a top-level MMA fighter at this point.

His victory over Penn is his real only top-10, and BJ is really a 155er.

What’s really got me to this point is how limited Nick’s game seems to have become.

He essentially does two things:

#1 March forward, attempt to back opponent into cage, stand in pocket, and unload devastating volume punches.

#2 If #1 fails taunt opponent and try to get them off their game plan and lure them into standing in front of Diaz/in the pocket. If successful return to #1

He seems not only to have no answer to anyone who doesn’t want to play this game (strikers being elusive, or wrestlers who take him down and pound him), he doesn’t seem INTERESTED in developing in answer.

He gets this look on his face like “WTF are you doing? Come back here and stand in front of me so I can hit you!”

I can’t see a fighter with that kind of attitude ever becoming one of the elite.

Most fighters are proud of their ability to evolve and diversify their games. Nick reminds me more and more of those first gen MMA guys who could do one thing really well, and had no respect for anything else.

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Great post.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:
SIDETRACK/Derail:

DarkNinjaa,

Are you competing in figure or doing modeling? That looks like a “photo shoot” type avatar (lights/pose/suit/different hair). You look amazing, not that you don’t look amazing normally.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Yes, that’s a photo shoot avi :slight_smile: But I aint the woman there. I’m a ‘‘man’’ around these parts :wink:

These days I do some modelling, yea, but I’m not a competitor.
[/quote]
I bet the cock and balls are behind your big left leg.

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[quote]Grimlorn wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:
SIDETRACK/Derail:

DarkNinjaa,

Are you competing in figure or doing modeling? That looks like a “photo shoot” type avatar (lights/pose/suit/different hair). You look amazing, not that you don’t look amazing normally.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Yes, that’s a photo shoot avi :slight_smile: But I aint the woman there. I’m a ‘‘man’’ around these parts :wink:

These days I do some modelling, yea, but I’m not a competitor.
[/quote]
I bet the cock and balls are behind your big left leg.[/quote]

Hallowed and I are masters of cock tucking.

/thread hijack

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Grimlorn wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:
SIDETRACK/Derail:

DarkNinjaa,

Are you competing in figure or doing modeling? That looks like a “photo shoot” type avatar (lights/pose/suit/different hair). You look amazing, not that you don’t look amazing normally.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Yes, that’s a photo shoot avi :slight_smile: But I aint the woman there. I’m a ‘‘man’’ around these parts :wink:

These days I do some modelling, yea, but I’m not a competitor.
[/quote]
I bet the cock and balls are behind your big left leg.[/quote]

Hallowed and I are masters of cock tucking.

[/quote]

There’s no way Hallowed is a dude.

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Kidding DN, just kidding.

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REMATCH

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:

Most fighters are proud of their ability to evolve and diversify their games. Nick reminds me more and more of those first gen MMA guys who could do one thing really well, and had no respect for anything else.

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You make very valid points, but don’t forget nick isn’t just a brawler. He has submitted guys too. But I agree that he focuses on brawling too much. However he excites the crowd and viewers. This is important. If the UFC’s fanbase was stripped down to only those who can appreciate a technical fight, there probably wouldn’t be enough interest to get the event televised.

People want to see bone crunching against bone. They don’t want to watch a guy bet bumf**ked for 15 mins. They want to see him get smashed in the face and come back to win. They want to see heroic battles. This whole ‘game of chess’ approach simply isn’t marketable to most people.

And I mean if you look at where this sport comes from, you can see a lot of the original competitors were fighting out the back of bars in their free time. Some of them were genuinely scary characters. This whole image is what kick-started MMA and got people interested. The polishing up of the organisation and the fighters themselves was clearly and understandably profit driven, and in some cases, it does make the fights boring.

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A lot of good points in here. And once again, echoing Humble and GnP, Diaz had no footwork. And I’m ecstatic GnP highlighted that sick combo Condit hit Diaz with!

Yarni, while there is merit to your words, I still don’t buy into the whole, “bar-room brawler” mentality, of America. There are some really exciting, albeit technical, fights that have taken place. For this reason, I am really looking forward to the UFC show in Japan. Now those folks can truly appreciate a technical fight!

DN, if you were truly tucking, then all would just have to call me gay. I’d still hit that like the fist of an angry god!!! Same goes for Hallowed.

Oh, and a possible rematch may be in the works between Condit and Diaz.

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Yarni is right though. You take out all the trash talking, hyping of fights, and turn them into respectable fights that are all technical you’ll lose probably half the audience pretty quick.

But I think as MMA evolves and gets better you’ll see fans become more knowledgeable about what’s going on and appreciate it. People use to boo guys on the ground that were actually working just 5-7 years ago. Now when someone passes guard they’re cheering. Hell, I train and I don’t think I understand the chess match of striking. Grappling is also so technical that you really have to do it to understand how effective it is and appreciate how it works. MMA just has a lot of room to grow to become a really technical sport.

I’m surprised about a rematch. I don’t think there needs to be one. Although, I do wonder what Diaz would do differently.

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[quote]yarni wrote:
And I mean if you look at where this sport comes from, you can see a lot of the original competitors were fighting out the back of bars in their free time. Some of them were genuinely scary characters. This whole image is what kick-started MMA and got people interested. The polishing up of the organisation and the fighters themselves was clearly and understandably profit driven, and in some cases, it does make the fights boring. [/quote]

I’d actually argue that the exact opposite is true.

MMA was originally a very fringe sport, only really appreciated (or even known about) by people who themselves trained in combat sports. The mainstream audience looked upon it as barbaric, crude, and unmarketable. It was only after the “polishing up of the organization” as you put it that MMA became a marketable sport and gained mainstream recognition and fanbase.

That doesn’t mean that I disagree with you though that most mainstream fans don’t really understand the technical aspects of the sport (especially the ground game) and instead want to see slug fests like Forrest vs Bonner or the recent Shogun vs Henderson fights (and admittedly those were two very exciting fights).

But IMO, if people just want to see striking matches then they should go watch boxing of Muay Thai/K-1 fights. If they’re gonna watch MMA, then they have to realize that grappling is a part of the sport and they should learn more about it so they can appreciate it.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]yarni wrote:
And I mean if you look at where this sport comes from, you can see a lot of the original competitors were fighting out the back of bars in their free time. Some of them were genuinely scary characters. This whole image is what kick-started MMA and got people interested. The polishing up of the organisation and the fighters themselves was clearly and understandably profit driven, and in some cases, it does make the fights boring. [/quote]

I’d actually argue that the exact opposite is true.

MMA was originally a very fringe sport, only really appreciated (or even known about) by people who themselves trained in combat sports. The mainstream audience looked upon it as barbaric, crude, and unmarketable. It was only after the “polishing up of the organization” as you put it that MMA became a marketable sport and gained mainstream recognition and fanbase.

That doesn’t mean that I disagree with you though that most mainstream fans don’t really understand the technical aspects of the sport (especially the ground game) and instead want to see slug fests like Forrest vs Bonner or the recent Shogun vs Henderson fights (and admittedly those were two very exciting fights).

But IMO, if people just want to see striking matches then they should go watch boxing of Muay Thai/K-1 fights. If they’re gonna watch MMA, then they have to realize that grappling is a part of the sport and they should learn more about it so they can appreciate it.[/quote]

Actually this kind of supports your argument, if people just wanted to see non stop action and two guys beating the ever living shit out of eachother why isn’t K1 more popular in the west?

K-1 MAX is really deserving of a western audience, some of the most exciting and action packed fights I’ve seen were in K-1 MAX, and it’s even less well known than K1 Heavyweight GPs are in the west.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

[quote]yarni wrote:
And I mean if you look at where this sport comes from, you can see a lot of the original competitors were fighting out the back of bars in their free time. Some of them were genuinely scary characters. This whole image is what kick-started MMA and got people interested. The polishing up of the organisation and the fighters themselves was clearly and understandably profit driven, and in some cases, it does make the fights boring. [/quote]

I’d actually argue that the exact opposite is true.

MMA was originally a very fringe sport, only really appreciated (or even known about) by people who themselves trained in combat sports. The mainstream audience looked upon it as barbaric, crude, and unmarketable. It was only after the “polishing up of the organization” as you put it that MMA became a marketable sport and gained mainstream recognition and fanbase.

That doesn’t mean that I disagree with you though that most mainstream fans don’t really understand the technical aspects of the sport (especially the ground game) and instead want to see slug fests like Forrest vs Bonner or the recent Shogun vs Henderson fights (and admittedly those were two very exciting fights).

But IMO, if people just want to see striking matches then they should go watch boxing of Muay Thai/K-1 fights. If they’re gonna watch MMA, then they have to realize that grappling is a part of the sport and they should learn more about it so they can appreciate it.[/quote]

Actually this kind of supports your argument, if people just wanted to see non stop action and two guys beating the ever living shit out of eachother why isn’t K1 more popular in the west?

K-1 MAX is really deserving of a western audience, some of the most exciting and action packed fights I’ve seen were in K-1 MAX, and it’s even less well known than K1 Heavyweight GPs are in the west.
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Yup. Muay Thai is also a sport where toughness, and attrition are highly prized and there tends to be a lot of standing toe to toe style fights, yet it’s pretty much completely missing from the US combat sports market. If all people wanted to watch was people seeing who could take more punishment and KO their opponent you’d think that Muay Thai would be hugely popular.

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diaz is going to be suspened due to marijuana use for at least a year, what a dumb shit!

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Fuck. Seriously Nick. God damn it.

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[quote]bartonmlee wrote:
diaz is going to be suspened due to marijuana use for at least a year, what a dumb shit![/quote]

That is the most unsurprising thing he has done in the last year. Oh well. He wanted to “retire” anyway. Now he can workout/bitch and then mount a comeback in a year if he wants. Isn’t a year suspension a bit heavy?

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]bartonmlee wrote:
diaz is going to be suspened due to marijuana use for at least a year, what a dumb shit![/quote]

That is the most unsurprising thing he has done in the last year. Oh well. He wanted to “retire” anyway. Now he can workout/bitch and then mount a comeback in a year if he wants. Isn’t a year suspension a bit heavy?

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Second offense, he got six months last time and didn’t learn.

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[quote]devildog_jim wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]bartonmlee wrote:
diaz is going to be suspened due to marijuana use for at least a year, what a dumb shit![/quote]

That is the most unsurprising thing he has done in the last year. Oh well. He wanted to “retire” anyway. Now he can workout/bitch and then mount a comeback in a year if he wants. Isn’t a year suspension a bit heavy?

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Second offense, he got six months last time and didn’t learn.[/quote]

ohh wow a year for a little weed is ridiculous just let Diaz smoke .its obvious all he does is train and then smoke in his small amount of down time and not to mention he has his doctor prescribed medical marijuana card

its not like marijuana is going to enhance his fighting ability like some of the fighters who are on test .

Let us see the rematch!!