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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]Hyena wrote:
Man, why are you guys hating on zeb so much? He is making legitimate, intelligent arguments for what he believes, whereas you guys, with no intelligent response of your own, come up zingers like “the brock love from zeb is bordering on ridiculous” Wow. I bet that hurt his feelings.

Also, as far as who is right, and who is wrong, there is no fucking right or wrong when you are arguing opinions. you have your opinions, zeb has his, and he is just better at arguing them than you.

As for the imaginary fights that you guys are making up, skills vs. skills doesn’t always play out the way it should. Like zeb said, nobody would be stupid enough to argue that brock is a better fighter than cotour, but guess what, brock won. it really doesn’t matter who has the most training, or what kind of training, it just doesn’t. What matters is who wins. You can have all the training in the world, but if one brawler they threw 100 bucks at to have him fight you that night, lands a lucky flying knee on your chin, guess what? you’re gonna lose. Its better to be lucky than good. this is true in mma as it is in any sport.

You remember back when the patriots were going to the super bowl just about every year, here a couple years back? Well you know who usually beat them, pretty consistently back in those days? The dolphins. Yes. the miami dolphins. the 14-2 patriots, and one of those losses was to the dolphins. The 3-13 dolphins, and one of those wins, was over the super bowl champions, the patriots. Why am I telling you this? because it is the exact same principle. It doesn’t matter who is the better team, it matters who has the most points on the board when the clock runs out.

You can plan, and train all you want, but like Forrest said: “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.”[/quote]

Anybody who thinks Cain Velasquez has less wrestling ability than Carwin and Lesnar is void of intelligent opinions,imo(joking…slightly). He has all rights to his opinions and convictions…but they need to have some factual basis. ZEB…like you said…just knows how to argue. That is it. Present him with an intelligent argument/question(which I and others have done on numerous occasions)…he deflects and twists.

Basically,it’s not his opinions alone that people give him hell for. [/quote]

Oh stop it, really.

I’ve presented numerous factual arguments as to why I think Brock Lesnar would beat Fedor (and others). I’ve even explained the reason why so many people think Lesnar is an inferior fighter. I have twisted and deflected nothing. I’ve tried to add a degree of intelligence to this forum (not difficult) that is sometimes missing.

By the way, Shane Carwin is a three time NCAA Division II National finalist. NCAA DII runner-up in 96’ & 97’. National champion in 1999. (Carwins web site). Cain Velasquez is not quite as decorated a wrestler as Carwin, but then again Carwin was DII, Velasquez highest place in the NCAA’s was 5th, DI. (information from Arizona State web site). Given the striking ability of both men, in addition to their wreslting prowess I feel that they would give anyone in the HW division a good fight.

Oh wait, now what did I just do? I brought more facts to the forum, you hate that.

Hold on.

Okay try this: “Carwin and Velasquez are both freakin animals man they’d maul the piss out of udder guys…um…yea they wood”

There you go, your place is secure, you don’t have to feel threatened by my alleged argumentation skills, go back to sleep.

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LOL…good job,sport. You didn’t have to feel insecure and resort to stating what we already know about everyone’s wrestling credentials. Or was that done to amuse me?? Now wake up and address my previous post to you.

:wink:

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]Hyena wrote:
Man, why are you guys hating on zeb so much? He is making legitimate, intelligent arguments for what he believes, whereas you guys, with no intelligent response of your own, come up zingers like “the brock love from zeb is bordering on ridiculous” Wow. I bet that hurt his feelings.

Also, as far as who is right, and who is wrong, there is no fucking right or wrong when you are arguing opinions. you have your opinions, zeb has his, and he is just better at arguing them than you.

As for the imaginary fights that you guys are making up, skills vs. skills doesn’t always play out the way it should. Like zeb said, nobody would be stupid enough to argue that brock is a better fighter than cotour, but guess what, brock won. it really doesn’t matter who has the most training, or what kind of training, it just doesn’t. What matters is who wins. You can have all the training in the world, but if one brawler they threw 100 bucks at to have him fight you that night, lands a lucky flying knee on your chin, guess what? you’re gonna lose. Its better to be lucky than good. this is true in mma as it is in any sport.

You remember back when the patriots were going to the super bowl just about every year, here a couple years back? Well you know who usually beat them, pretty consistently back in those days? The dolphins. Yes. the miami dolphins. the 14-2 patriots, and one of those losses was to the dolphins. The 3-13 dolphins, and one of those wins, was over the super bowl champions, the patriots. Why am I telling you this? because it is the exact same principle. It doesn’t matter who is the better team, it matters who has the most points on the board when the clock runs out.

You can plan, and train all you want, but like Forrest said: “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.”[/quote]

Anybody who thinks Cain Velasquez has less wrestling ability than Carwin and Lesnar is void of intelligent opinions,imo(joking…slightly). He has all rights to his opinions and convictions…but they need to have some factual basis. ZEB…like you said…just knows how to argue. That is it. Present him with an intelligent argument/question(which I and others have done on numerous occasions)…he deflects and twists.

Basically,it’s not his opinions alone that people give him hell for. [/quote]

Oh stop it, really.

I’ve presented numerous factual arguments as to why I think Brock Lesnar would beat Fedor (and others). I’ve even explained the reason why so many people think Lesnar is an inferior fighter. I have twisted and deflected nothing. I’ve tried to add a degree of intelligence to this forum (not difficult) that is sometimes missing.

By the way, Shane Carwin is a three time NCAA Division II National finalist. NCAA DII runner-up in 96’ & 97’. National champion in 1999. (Carwins web site). Cain Velasquez is not quite as decorated a wrestler as Carwin, but then again Carwin was DII, Velasquez highest place in the NCAA’s was 5th, DI. (information from Arizona State web site). Given the striking ability of both men, in addition to their wreslting prowess I feel that they would give anyone in the HW division a good fight.

Oh wait, now what did I just do? I brought more facts to the forum, you hate that.

Hold on.

Okay try this: “Carwin and Velasquez are both freakin animals man they’d maul the piss out of udder guys…um…yea they wood”

There you go, your place is secure, you don’t have to feel threatened by my alleged argumentation skills, go back to sleep.

[/quote]

LOL…good job,sport. You didn’t have to feel insecure and resort to stating what we already know about everyone’s wrestling credentials. Or was that done to amuse me?? Now wake up and address my previous post to you.

:wink:

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You put such a high premium on facts I wanted to give you just a few more. You can send some my way anytime now, go ahead, let em rip. By the way, who is “we”? Do you speak for everyone on the combat forum now, or are you using the royal syntax “we”? One more point before we move on. I only reported briefly on two HW wrestlers, not on “everyone’s wrestling credentials.” A minor point, but I know you’re stickler for detail (no not really).

Also, I’ve already addressed your (Coleman) post at least once. If you would like further clarification regarding my answer be specific with your question. And above all do not ask anything that I have already answered, as that gets rather tedious- Thanks.

This is fun, but is it what you really want to do with your time?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]Hyena wrote:
Man, why are you guys hating on zeb so much? He is making legitimate, intelligent arguments for what he believes, whereas you guys, with no intelligent response of your own, come up zingers like “the brock love from zeb is bordering on ridiculous” Wow. I bet that hurt his feelings.

Also, as far as who is right, and who is wrong, there is no fucking right or wrong when you are arguing opinions. you have your opinions, zeb has his, and he is just better at arguing them than you.

As for the imaginary fights that you guys are making up, skills vs. skills doesn’t always play out the way it should. Like zeb said, nobody would be stupid enough to argue that brock is a better fighter than cotour, but guess what, brock won. it really doesn’t matter who has the most training, or what kind of training, it just doesn’t. What matters is who wins. You can have all the training in the world, but if one brawler they threw 100 bucks at to have him fight you that night, lands a lucky flying knee on your chin, guess what? you’re gonna lose. Its better to be lucky than good. this is true in mma as it is in any sport.

You remember back when the patriots were going to the super bowl just about every year, here a couple years back? Well you know who usually beat them, pretty consistently back in those days? The dolphins. Yes. the miami dolphins. the 14-2 patriots, and one of those losses was to the dolphins. The 3-13 dolphins, and one of those wins, was over the super bowl champions, the patriots. Why am I telling you this? because it is the exact same principle. It doesn’t matter who is the better team, it matters who has the most points on the board when the clock runs out.

You can plan, and train all you want, but like Forrest said: “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.”[/quote]

Anybody who thinks Cain Velasquez has less wrestling ability than Carwin and Lesnar is void of intelligent opinions,imo(joking…slightly). He has all rights to his opinions and convictions…but they need to have some factual basis. ZEB…like you said…just knows how to argue. That is it. Present him with an intelligent argument/question(which I and others have done on numerous occasions)…he deflects and twists.

Basically,it’s not his opinions alone that people give him hell for. [/quote]

Oh stop it, really.

I’ve presented numerous factual arguments as to why I think Brock Lesnar would beat Fedor (and others). I’ve even explained the reason why so many people think Lesnar is an inferior fighter. I have twisted and deflected nothing. I’ve tried to add a degree of intelligence to this forum (not difficult) that is sometimes missing.

By the way, Shane Carwin is a three time NCAA Division II National finalist. NCAA DII runner-up in 96’ & 97’. National champion in 1999. (Carwins web site). Cain Velasquez is not quite as decorated a wrestler as Carwin, but then again Carwin was DII, Velasquez highest place in the NCAA’s was 5th, DI. (information from Arizona State web site). Given the striking ability of both men, in addition to their wreslting prowess I feel that they would give anyone in the HW division a good fight.

Oh wait, now what did I just do? I brought more facts to the forum, you hate that.

Hold on.

Okay try this: “Carwin and Velasquez are both freakin animals man they’d maul the piss out of udder guys…um…yea they wood”

There you go, your place is secure, you don’t have to feel threatened by my alleged argumentation skills, go back to sleep.

[/quote]

LOL…good job,sport. You didn’t have to feel insecure and resort to stating what we already know about everyone’s wrestling credentials. Or was that done to amuse me?? Now wake up and address my previous post to you.

:wink:

[/quote]

You put such a high premium on facts I wanted to give you just a few more. You can send some my way anytime now, go ahead, let em rip. By the way, who is “we”? Do you speak for everyone on the combat forum now, or are you using the royal syntax “we”? One more point before we move on. I only reported briefly on two HW wrestlers, not on “everyone’s wrestling credentials.” A minor point, but I know you’re stickler for detail (no not really).

Also, I’ve already addressed your (Coleman) post at least once. If you would like further clarification regarding my answer be specific with your question. And above all do not ask anything that I have already answered, as that gets rather tedious- Thanks.

This is fun, but is it what you really want to do with your time?

[/quote]

Actually,I am a stickler for detail…which is why I pointed out the FACT that you said Cain has less wrestling ABILITY than Carwin or Lesnar.

Is that less ability only because he wasn’t a champ? IF so,you should have known better…and should have been more clear. - You’re welcome.

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Oh…and ZEB. Forgive me for asking,but where did you address the scenario of Lesnar doing what Coleman could not against Fedor??? I asked a specific question…which you required. So what’s the problem??

The only thing that I could find is you beating the “bigger-stronger-faster” argument to death. I hope that’s not what you’re settling with.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Oh…and ZEB. Forgive me for asking,but where did you address the scenario of Lesnar doing what Coleman could not against Fedor??? I asked a specific question…which you required. So what’s the problem??

The only thing that I could find is you beating the “bigger-stronger-faster” argument to death. I hope that’s not what you’re settling with. [/quote]

I am not Zeb but let me give it a shot.

Brock could chest to chest him very well, and he could also put him up against the cage and unleash bombs on him. Brock is also what 40lbs heavier then him and is a great wrestler. I think the fight would end like the frank mir fight, with brock on top Raining down bombs.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Oh…and ZEB. Forgive me for asking,but where did you address the scenario of Lesnar doing what Coleman could not against Fedor??? I asked a specific question…which you required. So what’s the problem??

The only thing that I could find is you beating the “bigger-stronger-faster” argument to death. I hope that’s not what you’re settling with. [/quote]

I gave a fairly detailed answer to your question. Which by the way was not that good of a question. In fact, the answer was obvious on its face and really did not need to be asked. But, in good faith I took the time to answer it, not realizing at the time that you were going to play the part of a clown. I should have seen this coming from your foaming at the mouth hatred of Brock Lesnar.

Your comments such as, [quote]Many fans didn’t expect him (Lesnar)to turn ass and ball up from Carwin. That wasn’t heart…that was survivial[/quote]

Uh huh.

Then there was this gem, accusing me of actually never being a Lesnar fan and only backing him AFTER he beat Carwin:

There are even more beauties of yours, but I don’t have the time or inclination to post them. Your arguments are as weak as your posting style. You’re easy, you hate Lesnar and you can’t get beyond that hate to really fully understand why he’s winning and will most likely continue to win regardless of who the UFC puts against him. Therefore, you attack anyone who tells you precisely why Lesnar is good and will remain champion. How’s that Boss man?

Finally, (I can’t let this go)showing either more of your baffoonery, or shear stupidity, can’t tell which. You claim you can’t understand that one fighter has a good opportunity to beat his opponent because that first fighter is bigger, stronger, faster, and I also said younger and has a better takedown. All of this eludes your understanding? I vote buffoon, again, no one is that dumb, are they?

IN case you are, (say it isn’t so Boss-I thought you were the resident mma expert on this forum, no?)

Okay I’ll walk you through it like I did when I first introduced my young son to mma:

You see Boss that’s why they have weight classes, so that the fighters can be at least as close to physically matched as possible. If one man had a distinct size difference over another that would be unfair…JUNIOR.

This is a very rudimentary point that should not even have to be addressed, especially to someone like you Boss because you are certainly da man, or at least used to be. No?

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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Oh…and ZEB. Forgive me for asking,but where did you address the scenario of Lesnar doing what Coleman could not against Fedor??? I asked a specific question…which you required. So what’s the problem??

The only thing that I could find is you beating the “bigger-stronger-faster” argument to death. I hope that’s not what you’re settling with. [/quote]

I am not Zeb but let me give it a shot.

Brock could chest to chest him very well, and he could also put him up against the cage and unleash bombs on him. Brock is also what 40lbs heavier then him and is a great wrestler. I think the fight would end like the frank mir fight, with brock on top Raining down bombs.[/quote]

Good post, but I think Boss might want to ask some detailed questions. Hate is a very nasty thing, it eats you up inside.

:wink:

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Oh…and ZEB. Forgive me for asking,but where did you address the scenario of Lesnar doing what Coleman could not against Fedor??? I asked a specific question…which you required. So what’s the problem??

The only thing that I could find is you beating the “bigger-stronger-faster” argument to death. I hope that’s not what you’re settling with. [/quote]

I gave a fairly detailed answer to your question. Which by the way was not that good of a question. In fact, the answer was obvious on its face and really did not need to be asked. But, in good faith I took the time to answer it, not realizing at the time that you were going to play the part of a clown. I should have seen this coming from your foaming at the mouth hatred of Brock Lesnar.

Your comments such as, [quote]Many fans didn’t expect him (Lesnar)to turn ass and ball up from Carwin. That wasn’t heart…that was survivial[/quote]

Uh huh.

Then there was this gem, accusing me of actually never being a Lesnar fan and only backing him AFTER he beat Carwin:

There are even more beauties of yours, but I don’t have the time or inclination to post them. Your arguments are as weak as your posting style. You’re easy, you hate Lesnar and you can’t get beyond that hate to really fully understand why he’s winning and will most likely continue to win regardless of who the UFC puts against him. Therefore, you attack anyone who tells you precisely why Lesnar is good and will remain champion. How’s that Boss man?

Finally, (I can’t let this go)showing either more of your baffoonery, or shear stupidity, can’t tell which. You claim you can’t understand that one fighter has a good opportunity to beat his opponent because that first fighter is bigger, stronger, faster, and I also said younger and has a better takedown. All of this eludes your understanding? I vote buffoon, again, no one is that dumb, are they?

IN case you are, (say it isn’t so Boss-I thought you were the resident mma expert on this forum, no?)

Okay I’ll walk you through it like I did when I first introduced my young son to mma:

You see Boss that’s why they have weight classes, so that the fighters can be at least as close to physically matched as possible. If one man had a distinct size difference over another that would be unfair…JUNIOR.

This is a very rudimentary point that should not even have to be addressed, especially to someone like you Boss because you are certainly da man, or at least used to be. No?

[/quote]

LOL…looks who’s resorting to mockery instead of keeping an intelligent argument. Tsk…tsk.

You might want to go back and read again the posts you’re quoting me on. I’m disappointed that an intelligent man as yourself twisted the context of those comments. Especially,in relation to the posts I addressed with those comments.

I don’t hate Lesnar anymore than you’re riding his nuts. Fair enough?? I give Lesnar plenty of credit where it is due. Moving on…what’s the point of stating the obvious(again) about weight classes. This is a discussion of fighters in the same class,no? I’m not going to resort to your court jester routine…but can’t help but notice how you’re making yourself look like a simpleton.

So…now you’re making the case for the younger,bigger,faster, and stronger fighter always trumping even those in their own weight class. Please. I have yet to see ANY intelligent backing from you of how those things by themselves trump skill…NOR have I seen any factual backing of Lesnar having better MMA takedowns than Coleman(even past prime Coleman). Ok…your turn. Yes,this is fun…

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Oh…and ZEB. Forgive me for asking,but where did you address the scenario of Lesnar doing what Coleman could not against Fedor??? I asked a specific question…which you required. So what’s the problem??

The only thing that I could find is you beating the “bigger-stronger-faster” argument to death. I hope that’s not what you’re settling with. [/quote]

I am not Zeb but let me give it a shot.

Brock could chest to chest him very well, and he could also put him up against the cage and unleash bombs on him. Brock is also what 40lbs heavier then him and is a great wrestler. I think the fight would end like the frank mir fight, with brock on top Raining down bombs.[/quote]

Good post, but I think Boss might want to ask some detailed questions. Hate is a very nasty thing, it eats you up inside.

:wink:
[/quote]

Definitely better than the “running around the same tree for hours” responses I keep getting from you :wink:

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

LOL…looks who’s resorting to mockery instead of keeping an intelligent argument. Tsk…tsk.[/quote]

I like that tsk…tsk you do, but be careful not to over use it. Anyway, I could have sworn that you posted that I was “…void of intelligent opinions…” and “have been exposed.” What would that be called in the world that you live in, a compliment? You have to learn to take em if you dish em pal.

I like when you fall back on your generic “twisting” attack. That shows a total void of even a semblance of an argument. There are some good posters on the combat thread. But, I think you actually get away with this stuff with many of the kiddies who post here, and that’s a shame. Let me put it in a manner that is more fitting to this forum: I think you’re intellectually soft from so many easy fights.

No, not fair at all. I wonder why when someone puts forth a fairly compelling argument (whether you agree with it or not), and truly believes in a particular fighter he has to hear metaphors like “riding his nuts” or some of the other nonsensical comparisons that you made earlier. Such verbiage is only used to demean the poster who is actually trying, in an intelligent manner to explain whey one fighter is better than the other. Granted you are not the only one who does this. But, to what end does it serve? On the one hand you seem to be asking for logical debate (which I like), yet on the other hand you use demeaning terms to cap such debate. You can’t have it both ways.

Funny, I’ve never read anything by you in this thread that gives Lesnar any credit.Granted I might have missed it. (would you ilke to post something complimentary right now?). I did read your post where instead of actually giving him credit for either ducking, blocking or taking Carwin’s many blows you accused him of crawling up in fetal position. Not exactly a compliment where I come from. But then I think you may have a problem discerning a compliment from say an off the cuff, put down. I know that seems odd to me too.

Did you just get off a carnival ride? You seem a bit turned around. A better word would be confused. I fully explained why I thought that Lesnar would do a far better job vs Fedor than Coleman. Your reply was silly at best and made you look the part of a simpleton. I’m just guessing, but I think everyone else on the forum who read my response (even the many Lesnar haters) probably fully understood it, even if they disagreed. I didn’t field any other asinine question such as what you asked.

I believe I said something to the effect that the bigger, stronger, faster man who has better endurance will usually win, not “always.” Naturally, this would play out more in the HW division because of the sometimes disparity in weight between the two fighters. Care to show me where I said “always”? No, I don’t think you do (you’ll let this one slide and not respond to it). I never say “always” when it comes to mma. But seriously, you’re not in school anymore, this is life, you have to start paying attention.

That’s because I never said that in general these things trump skill. Do you see most things in black and white? That is a serious question. You need to take what I wrote in the context of where it was written. Would Lesnar’s size, speed, power, endurance and ability to take Fedor down be enough to win the fight? Yes! Or, you can go back and reread the post one more time.

Actually, I think you’re confused. In comparing Fedor to Lesnar I said this: “He’s the younger, faster, stronger, larger better conditioned athlete with the far superior takedown.” There’s been a lot said regarding Lesnar fighting many other opponents, so this is an easy mistake to make, I’ve done it before too.

Does masochism run in your family, or is it just you?

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I feel like if this thread were a movie this is the part where the whitty sidekick friend who is very intuitive would say

“why don’t you two just fuck already and get it over with”

.greg.

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too bad your not witty

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^^hahaha oh drew you make me laugh

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Oh…and ZEB. Forgive me for asking,but where did you address the scenario of Lesnar doing what Coleman could not against Fedor??? I asked a specific question…which you required. So what’s the problem??

The only thing that I could find is you beating the “bigger-stronger-faster” argument to death. I hope that’s not what you’re settling with. [/quote]

I am not Zeb but let me give it a shot.

Brock could chest to chest him very well, and he could also put him up against the cage and unleash bombs on him. Brock is also what 40lbs heavier then him and is a great wrestler. I think the fight would end like the frank mir fight, with brock on top Raining down bombs.[/quote]

Good post, but I think Boss might want to ask some detailed questions. Hate is a very nasty thing, it eats you up inside.

:wink:
[/quote]

Definitely better than the “running around the same tree for hours” responses I keep getting from you :wink:
[/quote]

fyi, coleman-fedor 1 and 2 were both fought in a ring…i dunno how lesnar would smash fedor up against the cage in such a scenario

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
I have not read all of the posts so forgive me if some of this has already been said.

It’s time for the Brock haters to suck it up and give him the credit he deserves.

He took everything that Carwin had to offer in the first round (and it was plenty) and came back to win. Moreover, did anyone notice how Lesnar came out smiling at the beginning of the 2nd round? Do any of you realize what it takes to come back from such a beating in the first round and come back smiling in teh second? That shows character and heart. He can dish it out and now we know that he can take it!

To those who say that Carwin would have won had he paced himself my question is how? He gave Lesnar his very best for 5:00 and could not stop him, how could he have stopped him had he scaled that effort down? Was he going to outbox him for 5 rounds? Not only is that not Carwins style, but Lesnar would have taken him down just as he did in the 2nd and the outcome would have been the same. Carwin fought the best fight that he could in a style that drove him to the very top of the game with a 12-0 record. Up to Lesnar (as you all know) Carwin had never been out of the first round, or even into the latter part of the first round.

To those who say Cain Velasquez will beat Lesnar I don’t see it happening. Velasquez is a good fighter and no disrespect to him. But, how is a less experienced, shorter, lighter guy with far less wrestling ability than either Carwin or Lesnar going to dethrone the champion? Is this magically supposed to happen because you don’t like Lesnar?

It’s time for Lesnar haters to give Brock Lesnar his due. He’s not just the champion because he’s bi. He can strike, (ask Couture and Herring who both hit the ground from one Lesnar punch). He’s by far the best wrestler in the HW division, and he has now shown his ability to be more than a (frank) mere (pun intended) ground and pounder, he’s grown by showing his submission of Shane Carwin!

We saw two things during that fight that were untested before regarding Lesnar: His heart which passed with flying colors. And his ability to use submissions effectively.

On top of all that I heard a different Brock Lesnar after the fight. He seemed a bit more humble thanking the people who helped him from his family and training partners to the doctors at the Mayo Clinic who helped him through his illness.

Brock Lesnar is going to be the UFC heavyweight champion for as long as he wants to, whether some of you like or not.

Zeb[/quote]

Agreed, Lesner is a physical beast.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Zeb’s Brock loving is bordering on ridiculous. Carwin gassed himself, and like Boss said if he connected a clean right [or anything other than that uppercut, really] Lesnar would still be out. But, I will say that Lesnar impressed me with his ability to hang tough and sink the sub. Sinking the sub had a lot more to do with Carwin being completely exhausted than Lesnar’s awesome jiu-jitsu, but he still got it. But if - and think it’s safe to say it’ll happen - they fight again Lesnar’s getting ko’d in the 1st. I think even he knows he barely snuck outta that one.[/quote]

If means nothing. If we didn’t fumble, or if we didn’t get hit on the chin, or if I connected, but I didn’t.

Carwin couldn’t finish him and got submitted. That is the thing we call reality.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Zeb’s Brock loving is bordering on ridiculous. Carwin gassed himself, and like Boss said if he connected a clean right [or anything other than that uppercut, really] Lesnar would still be out. But, I will say that Lesnar impressed me with his ability to hang tough and sink the sub. Sinking the sub had a lot more to do with Carwin being completely exhausted than Lesnar’s awesome jiu-jitsu, but he still got it. But if - and think it’s safe to say it’ll happen - they fight again Lesnar’s getting ko’d in the 1st. I think even he knows he barely snuck outta that one.[/quote]

If means nothing. If we didn’t fumble, or if we didn’t get hit on the chin, or if I connected, but I didn’t.

Carwin couldn’t finish him and got submitted. That is the thing we call reality.[/quote]

Of course it’s reality if you watched the fight. It wasn’t make-believe before our eyes…lol. But there are details of the fight that are also “reality” and worthy of a discussion on either side of the spectrum…on a discussion forum…about combat sports.

Like…for example…“what if” Lesnar had decent stand-up?? Tell me that means nothing for his match against Velasquez…and a possible rematch against Carwin.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Zeb’s Brock loving is bordering on ridiculous. Carwin gassed himself, and like Boss said if he connected a clean right [or anything other than that uppercut, really] Lesnar would still be out. But, I will say that Lesnar impressed me with his ability to hang tough and sink the sub. Sinking the sub had a lot more to do with Carwin being completely exhausted than Lesnar’s awesome jiu-jitsu, but he still got it. But if - and think it’s safe to say it’ll happen - they fight again Lesnar’s getting ko’d in the 1st. I think even he knows he barely snuck outta that one.[/quote]

If means nothing. If we didn’t fumble, or if we didn’t get hit on the chin, or if I connected, but I didn’t.

Carwin couldn’t finish him and got submitted. That is the thing we call reality.[/quote]

Of course it’s reality if you watched the fight. It wasn’t make-believe before our eyes…lol. But there are details of the fight that are also “reality” and worthy of a discussion on either side of the spectrum…on a discussion forum…about combat sports.

Like…for example…“what if” Lesnar had decent stand-up?? Tell me that means nothing for his match against Velasquez…and a possible rematch against Carwin. [/quote]

And Lesner will pound Cain Velasquez. He is tougher and bigger and stronger and can fight well enough.

This is one thing you fighting dorks miss. Some guys are just tougher and stronger and will pound your ass no matter “your skill” level.

Lesner is one of those guys. And he also is a great athlete and great wrestler. Mike Tyson has a saying, " everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face".

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[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Zeb’s Brock loving is bordering on ridiculous. Carwin gassed himself, and like Boss said if he connected a clean right [or anything other than that uppercut, really] Lesnar would still be out. But, I will say that Lesnar impressed me with his ability to hang tough and sink the sub. Sinking the sub had a lot more to do with Carwin being completely exhausted than Lesnar’s awesome jiu-jitsu, but he still got it. But if - and think it’s safe to say it’ll happen - they fight again Lesnar’s getting ko’d in the 1st. I think even he knows he barely snuck outta that one.[/quote]

If means nothing. If we didn’t fumble, or if we didn’t get hit on the chin, or if I connected, but I didn’t.

Carwin couldn’t finish him and got submitted. That is the thing we call reality.[/quote]

Of course it’s reality if you watched the fight. It wasn’t make-believe before our eyes…lol. But there are details of the fight that are also “reality” and worthy of a discussion on either side of the spectrum…on a discussion forum…about combat sports.

Like…for example…“what if” Lesnar had decent stand-up?? Tell me that means nothing for his match against Velasquez…and a possible rematch against Carwin. [/quote]

And Lesner will pound Cain Velasquez. He is tougher and bigger and stronger and can fight well enough.

This is one thing you fighting dorks miss. Some guys are just tougher and stronger and will pound your ass no matter “your skill” level.

Lesner is one of those guys. And he also is a great athlete and great wrestler. Mike Tyson has a saying, " everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face".[/quote]
Oh God fight it guys, don’t feed him.

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