[quote]slimjim wrote:
cmon zeb, who else besides lesnar and carwin (who would probably be considered ‘even’ in terms of oddsmaking) would be favored to beat fedor in the ufc?
it is a little ridiculous that the example you cite in displaying fedor’s vulnerability was a win for him, over a distinguished record while previously saying that lesnar’s first round does not show weakness, but a display of his grit. i mean the bias is insane, sometimes i honestly do not understand how you connect the dots in your arguments.
fedor beat an accomplished ncaa wrestler and a man who was physically larger and stronger than him, yet you point to some perception that coleman was in control of that fight until he got subbed, insinuating that lesnar - fedor would go down in similar fashion except that lesnar’s size and athletic ability would be the proving point? this is the first time i think ive heard the mmath logic applied towards someone’s victory.
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ZEB has been exposed! He’s no longer Top 5. If he had used some unbiased logic instead of ducking,deflecting,and running…it would not have happened.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
cmon zeb, who else besides lesnar and carwin (who would probably be considered ‘even’ in terms of oddsmaking) would be favored to beat fedor in the ufc?
it is a little ridiculous that the example you cite in displaying fedor’s vulnerability was a win for him, over a distinguished record while previously saying that lesnar’s first round does not show weakness, but a display of his grit. i mean the bias is insane, sometimes i honestly do not understand how you connect the dots in your arguments.
fedor beat an accomplished ncaa wrestler and a man who was physically larger and stronger than him, yet you point to some perception that coleman was in control of that fight until he got subbed, insinuating that lesnar - fedor would go down in similar fashion except that lesnar’s size and athletic ability would be the proving point? this is the first time i think ive heard the mmath logic applied towards someone’s victory.
ration,do you speak it? (homiey?)[/quote]
I was gonna reply to Zeb’s response to me, but this “sometimes i honestly do not understand how you connect the dots in your arguments.” sums up my thoughts perfectly.
could Fedor beat the guys in the UFC top 5? yes. could the UFC top heavies beat Fedor, hell yes.
could Cain take lesnar out? Yep, he could. Lesnar also has a good chance of beating him too though. MMA has a lot more variables than boxing. IMHO it is harder to play defence an entire MMA fight and play not to lose rather than to win than in boxing. For example…there is a reason the Klitschkos often have late round knockouts, when there opponents taste the power of the jabs and occasional straight rights they tend to go into a defensive shell and not take any chances that would allow them to get clipped.
the Klit haters would say that they(the Klits) are the ones playing it safe, i say yes that is correct, but so do their opponents! Once they get hit with those jackhammer jabs, they know that if they charge in with their guard down swinging wild hooks, they will get KTFO, LOL
I find the Brock hate similar to the Klit hate. Wladimir Klit. could knock out God and people would still say "well, God did not come into the fight in top shape…God would have won only if he had not done this…etc. "
Haha…
here is a serious question though…what weight did Carwin wrestle at? I think I heard once that is was like at 175??? in that case, it might have been just as much as Carwin not having the experience of a super heavy wrestler on top of him in the second round as he was gassed out?
here is a serious question though…what weight did Carwin wrestle at? I think I heard once that is was like at 175??? in that case, it might have been just as much as Carwin not having the experience of a super heavy wrestler on top of him in the second round as he was gassed out?
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Think that was his highschool weight. He was drafted as a linebacker, so doubt he was that light. Anyway, I think his biggest strength [going after the finish no matter what] was his biggest weakness here. He obviously had Lesnar hurt, but should’ve realized that the ref wasn’t gonna call it and stood back up. After that first uppercut Lesnar literally turned and ran. The only thing that stopped him from still going was the cage. If it had been anyone else there taking that many uncontested hits they would’ve called it, but they let Lesnar lay there. As others have pointed out he may have been briefly out with one f those 'bows, but no way to tell. I will say that even though I feel like he got away with one there, Lesnar did impress me with his willingness to not give up. And the wink from Carwin and double high five in the center of the cage was a pretty cool moment.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
could Fedor beat the guys in the UFC top 5? yes. could the UFC top heavies beat Fedor, hell yes.
could Cain take lesnar out? Yep, he could. Lesnar also has a good chance of beating him too though. MMA has a lot more variables than boxing. IMHO it is harder to play defence an entire MMA fight and play not to lose rather than to win than in boxing. For example…there is a reason the Klitschkos often have late round knockouts, when there opponents taste the power of the jabs and occasional straight rights they tend to go into a defensive shell and not take any chances that would allow them to get clipped.
the Klit haters would say that they(the Klits) are the ones playing it safe, i say yes that is correct, but so do their opponents! Once they get hit with those jackhammer jabs, they know that if they charge in with their guard down swinging wild hooks, they will get KTFO, LOL
I find the Brock hate similar to the Klit hate. Wladimir Klit. could knock out God and people would still say "well, God did not come into the fight in top shape…God would have won only if he had not done this…etc. "
Haha…
here is a serious question though…what weight did Carwin wrestle at? I think I heard once that is was like at 175??? in that case, it might have been just as much as Carwin not having the experience of a super heavy wrestler on top of him in the second round as he was gassed out?
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I have to disagree stalling in boxing is much much harder. In mma you can stall via clinch, takedowns, counterpunch ala Machida. Do the Frankie Edgar hop. The very nature of boxing (hit other guy in face) makes it harder to stall.
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
Dude watch the Fedor Arlovski fight if Andre wouldn’t have thrown that flying knee he woulda won. Watch the Randleman fight if Kevin woulda been more composed he woulda won too. Look at the Lindland fight he got Fedor down and he’s only a MW. Cain is a small HW and top 3 in the UFC explain that please.[/quote]
Cain Velesquez is 6’ 2" and 245 pounds fairly solid, that’s smaller weight wise than the two big guys in the UFC by about 20 pounds. But, Fedor at 6 foot even and a frumpy 239 is small.
You don’t understand that an old washed up, beat up smaller wrestler had Fedors back, and that if that position were held by a larger, younger, stronger wrestler of equal or greater skill he wouldn’t have won the fight? Is that what you don’t understand? I can’t believe that, as you are not a stupid person. So just think about it a while and then get back to me.
Fedor not going to the UFC to begin with makes perfect sense. Why would he want to make more money, have more fame, and beat the very best in the world when he can fight second rate fighters in an inferior league?
Yea, he’s the best in the world. (cough)
Fedor is not the best HW fighter in the world, but he is probably one of the smartest.
I don’t think I will ever meet a person like ZEB in real life… you’re just mind blowing. You would make an interesting case study… I just… I don’t even know.
[quote]Amiright wrote:
I don’t think I will ever meet a person like ZEB in real life… you’re just mind blowing. You would make an interesting case study… I just… I don’t even know. [/quote]
Here’s where you begin to “know” my friend, prove me wrong in just one thing that I’ve posted on this thread. If you don’t like that I don’t go along with the crowd, fair enough. I’m certainly not right all the time and I’ve never claimed to be. However, what I believe to be true I am passionate about. If I’m wrong about any of this I’ll be glad to say so on this forum. I have in the past.
You don’t understand that an old washed up, beat up smaller wrestler had Fedors back, and that if that position were held by a larger, younger, stronger wrestler of equal or greater skill he wouldn’t have won the fight? Is that what you don’t understand? I can’t believe that, as you are not a stupid person. So just think about it a while and then get back to me.
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i’m not sure which wrestler had his back? the only one i can think of is randleman. further, smaller guys play smaller games - just because randleman got to fedor’s back, does not mean lesnar would be able to accomplish the same feat. in my opinion it would be much harder for lesnar to take fedor’s back than it would be for randleman to do the same.
[quote]Amiright wrote:
I don’t think I will ever meet a person like ZEB in real life… you’re just mind blowing. You would make an interesting case study… I just… I don’t even know. [/quote]
Here’s where you begin to “know” my friend, prove me wrong in just one thing that I’ve posted on this thread. If you don’t like that I don’t go along with the crowd, fair enough. I’m certainly not right all the time and I’ve never claimed to be. However, what I believe to be true I am passionate about. If I’m wrong about any of this I’ll be glad to say so on this forum. I have in the past.
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How are you gonna realize you’re wrong when you argue everything that’s said? Several people here have tried to tell you you’re wrong but you put your fingers in your ears and just talk louder. It’s almost fascinating to watch how devoted you are to Lesnar. Logic and reason have no place in your camp.
You don’t understand that an old washed up, beat up smaller wrestler had Fedors back, and that if that position were held by a larger, younger, stronger wrestler of equal or greater skill he wouldn’t have won the fight? Is that what you don’t understand? I can’t believe that, as you are not a stupid person. So just think about it a while and then get back to me.
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i’m not sure which wrestler had his back? the only one i can think of is randleman. further, smaller guys play smaller games - just because randleman got to fedor’s back, does not mean lesnar would be able to accomplish the same feat. in my opinion it would be much harder for lesnar to take fedor’s back than it would be for randleman to do the same.[/quote]
Coleman had his back, if it had been Lesnar, different outcome.
[quote]Amiright wrote:
I don’t think I will ever meet a person like ZEB in real life… you’re just mind blowing. You would make an interesting case study… I just… I don’t even know. [/quote]
Here’s where you begin to “know” my friend, prove me wrong in just one thing that I’ve posted on this thread. If you don’t like that I don’t go along with the crowd, fair enough. I’m certainly not right all the time and I’ve never claimed to be. However, what I believe to be true I am passionate about. If I’m wrong about any of this I’ll be glad to say so on this forum. I have in the past.
Zeb[/quote]
How are you gonna realize you’re wrong when you argue everything that’s said? Several people here have tried to tell you you’re wrong but you put your fingers in your ears and just talk louder. It’s almost fascinating to watch how devoted you are to Lesnar. Logic and reason have no place in your camp.
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You can “tell” me I’m wrong, but keep in mind at this point we are pretty much debating opinions. You have not stated anything factually inaccurate, and neither have I. As far as logic and reason, does not the bigger stronger, faster, more skilled man usually win?
I’m kind of late to the argument… are we arguing about whether Lesnar right now would beat Fedor or in his prime, or Lesnar right now would beat Fedor right now?
I think Fedor in his prime would be a favorite over Lesnar. But I think it’s pretty obvious that, at this moment in time, Lesnar is the better fighter. Is that really under debate?
You don’t understand that an old washed up, beat up smaller wrestler had Fedors back, and that if that position were held by a larger, younger, stronger wrestler of equal or greater skill he wouldn’t have won the fight? Is that what you don’t understand? I can’t believe that, as you are not a stupid person. So just think about it a while and then get back to me.
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i’m not sure which wrestler had his back? the only one i can think of is randleman. further, smaller guys play smaller games - just because randleman got to fedor’s back, does not mean lesnar would be able to accomplish the same feat. in my opinion it would be much harder for lesnar to take fedor’s back than it would be for randleman to do the same.[/quote]
Coleman had his back, if it had been Lesnar, different outcome.
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