I posted rapidly in the pre-fight thread when Lesnar and Carwin were supposed to fight the first time. The people that believe that Lesnar is going to railroad Carwin are simply sucking the giant cock on Lesnar’s chest. Lesnar beats people because he is so much fucking bigger than them that it’s unrealistic for them to compete. Watch him fight Randy. He looked awful. If randy had weighed 15 pounds more, I feel like Lesnar would still be sleeping it off on the mat. Brock is a champion wrestler. SO IS CARWIN. Brock will not be able to throw Carwin around the way that he has to his previous opponents. It’s very well plausible that carwin could be a BETTER wrestler. Lesnar sucks at punching. Carwin doesn’t. Carwin definitely has the stand up advantage, so Lesnar is going to try to get on top of him. Carwin has stated that 80% of his training is in Brazilian Jujitsu-he just never gets to use it because no one has ever gotten on top of him!!
this is too hard to call.
I have not seen enough of either fighter.
I’m no fan of Lesnar, but I will say he is one athletic large fuck.
couple that his speed and a serious work ethic it’s allot
yet he has only had one fight camp to rehab, it takes more then that to be ready.
I am more interested in leben vs akiyama, akiyama is no slouch , but leben is great at
luring people into his style of brawl
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
He trains Kenny Florian.
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Well good for him. He didn’t make Florian into the striker that he is though, much of that credit goes to Delegrotte (sp?). Again, I’m not saying that he’s incompetent, just that I think Lesnar could do better. And I doubt that Florian is in the same financial situation as Lesnar to be able to bring in coaches to train him. He likely has to pretty much make due with who’s in his area, which Welch is.
Again, Paulson is no chump but I still think that he could do better. And “BJJ black belts” is pretty ambiguous. What level BJJ black belts are we talking? And under who? If I were Brock I’d be bringing in Rickson Gracie, Marcelo Garcia, Roger Gracie, Eddie Bravo, basically one of the great or former great jiu-jitsu players still alive today.
Uh ok bud, I think Rodrigo Medeiros is plenty good at bjj unless 7 world titles suck, oh and the short hook that dropped Guida Florian credited Welch, the jab against Gomi again Welch. Same financial situation??? No fighter is going to get some superfriends of coaches to all come together and train one guy. And by the way Kenny trains with Zahabi now in Montreal he coaches this one guy named GSP I hear he’s pretty good but I think of he worked with Roger Gracie and Freddie Roach he’d be better right?
It’s not like Roach would make him Tyson on the feet. Brock and his trainers are smart enough to know his wrestling is what makes him win fights, it’s the style of fighting that allows his size and athleticism to shine. Sure he wants to improve his striking but in order to let his wrestling shine through. You think Roach or Mayweather would have Brock switch to Southpaw to help his td’s NO because they do not train mma fighters.
Oh and Welch is the one that switched Brock to southpaw.
I’m gonna make a bold prediction and say that when they first come out, Carwin dances around with Brock, fakes a few punches and then shoots in on Brock.
If he gets Brock down he will attempt to soften him up with G n P and then when they do get back on their feet, he will be in a better position to KO him ( a la GSP vs Penn).
Even if Brock stuffs Carwin’s take down attempt, it will suddenly give him a surprise and something else to worry about, rather than just Carwin’s fists. I only say this because I can see that crafty fucker Jackson coming up with this game plan.
Carwin by KO or TKO in the 2 round.
[quote]BrownTrout wrote:
I posted rapidly in the pre-fight thread when Lesnar and Carwin were supposed to fight the first time. The people that believe that Lesnar is going to railroad Carwin are simply sucking the giant cock on Lesnar’s chest. Lesnar beats people because he is so much fucking bigger than them that it’s unrealistic for them to compete. Watch him fight Randy. He looked awful. If randy had weighed 15 pounds more, I feel like Lesnar would still be sleeping it off on the mat. Brock is a champion wrestler. SO IS CARWIN. Brock will not be able to throw Carwin around the way that he has to his previous opponents. It’s very well plausible that carwin could be a BETTER wrestler. Lesnar sucks at punching. Carwin doesn’t. Carwin definitely has the stand up advantage, so Lesnar is going to try to get on top of him. Carwin has stated that 80% of his training is in Brazilian Jujitsu-he just never gets to use it because no one has ever gotten on top of him!! [/quote]
jesus, im highlighting this post simply because you went out of your way to say anyone who thinks lesnar is going to win is sucking his dick while you’re busy blowing carwin.
anyone who thinks they have seen something in previous fights that will allow them to predict this fight, anyone who thinks they heard something from one of the guys in one of the camps that will allow them to predict this fight, anyone who thinks they know how this fight is going to go down, is simply a blowhard running with their emotions on this one. lesnar might blow out carwin, carwin might blow out lesnar - but anyone saying they know for sure that one guy is going to beat the shit out of the other guaranteed is not being objective.
did lesnar look like shit knocking the crap out of couture? i dunno, not really, but he beat the shit out of randy. carwin may train the hell out of jiu jitsu, but he isn’t going to be roger gracie off of his back. heavyweights rarely have good guards unless they are from a strong jiu jitsu background - and no, while carwin is an elite level mma competitor and an accomplished wrestler, he does not want to be fighting off of his back. it will be his wrestling that allows him to get out from under lesnar if he gets taken down, probably sliding to half guard and turning in or bumping, bellying down and trying to get up and disengage - that brotha aint throwing up no armbars or triangles from the bottom with those big ass legs against lesnars big ass shoulders and neck.
on the other hand, carwin’s standup advantage might prove key. carwin’s gas tank might be better. carwin might even be stronger. the point is we dont know, there are entirely too many variables (training, illness, injury, size, gas tank, skillsets) and that is why this is one of the most intriguing heavyweight matches the ufc has put together since mir fought carwin.
I will maintain my opinion that Carwin will win.
I demand a rematch!
yeah. lesnar sure sucks. obviously has no heart, no skills, and no standup - anyone who thought he could win is just sucking his cock…but damn, his jiu jitsu must be unreal to stop a guy who trains it 80 percent of the time but never gets to show it
Cool post bro. Carwin gassed and Brock showed vulnerability in striking. he showed he has a good chin though. Cain Lesnar should be interesting.
And does anyone else generally not like most HW matchups these guys plod and gas like it’s nobodies business.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
We don’t really know how good Brock’s chin is[/quote]
About that chin… think we got a decent idea now.
How does a guy like Carwin, with a HW title shot, not get prepared enough in his training camp two go even TWO rounds, nevermind five?? If he didn’t gas out, Brock would have been utterly destroyed at some point in the second round, if not the first.
On a related note, skill-level-wise, that was a pretty pathetic display. Does anyone REALLY think a guy like Fedor (yes, the guy who just lost due to stupid mistake) wouldn’t put on an utter clinic against these guys?
Especially if Lesnar or Carwin didn’t have a 40-pound weight advantage over him, but even with that weight advantage . . . I’d lay down big money on Fedor. Size and strength they have, yes, but the discrepancy in skill level between Fedor and those two is a complete joke.
Damn shame we’ll probably NEVER get to see those matchups now though. Dana ran his mouth about Fedor to such a degree over the past week that, no matter what happens or how he bounces back, he’ll never, ever fight for the UFC.
Damn shame for all the fight fans who are just dying to see those matchups.
Awesome fight. Carwin proved he is a beast; he was one or two more punches landing cleanly on the ground from finishing Lesnar. Lesnar showed an incredible heart and his incredible strength to just overpower Carwin with that arm triangle.
All-around great card; the slam by Harris was sick!
Zeb, if you’re reading this, I will eat my words, because Carwin is a lot better than I thought, even though he didn’t quite take the belt.
[quote]Damici wrote:
Does anyone REALLY think a guy like Fedor (yes, the guy who just lost due to stupid mistake) wouldn’t put on an utter clinic against these guys? [/quote]
I think a better question is: are you the only guy on here who still thinks Fedor would beat Lesnar (or Carwin)?
Shit I think Cain and JDS put on a clinic granted the size isn’t a massive issue. Oh and I think Fedor would beat these guys, Werdum, Barnett, Bigfoot silva, and definitely Overeem.
Have to give props to Lesnar for taking such huge punishment and getting back on his feet.
-the last 10 seconds you can see the right eye totally closed up and the left won’t feel so good in the morning either
Both aren’t champion material, nobody sane can argue that anymore.
Lesnar’s biggest asset remains his highly mobile mass.
Carwin is all about the early knockout.
I see a boring rematch after that and an even more pointless rubber match.
Carwin has to spar long rounds with heavyweight boxers and possibly reduce his size a bit; at least prioritize his PEDs endurance boosters.
Brock Lesnar with submission of the night. Definitely didnt see that happening… Brocks standup was still really bad and he was totally outclassed in the first. Guess he showed he can take some hits, that elbow that carwin landed to the chin that about knocked out brocks mouth piece was pretty brutal.
As for carwin for someone who lives and i’m guessing trains at a higher elevation i would think would have more in the tank than he did. maybe he will be more prepared to go past round 1 in his next fight.
I’ll go ahead and venture to say that if Cain can keep it standing with brock and not gas out, he’ll be able to pose a serious threat to the title. should make for a good fight.
Also, let’s take a look at the strikforce top heavy roster:
Fedor, Bigfoot, Ubereem, Rogers, Werdum, Arlovski, Lashley, Monson
…sure the UFC has the top dogs? I’m only sure about their marketing being number 1.
If Carwin didn’t gas so badly, he would have fucked Brock’s shit up in the 2nd round. As soon as Brock took him down, I knew the end was nigh for Carwin.
Carwin needs to get his ass up to Montreal and train with Chaimberg to get down to 255 and get some gas in his tank.
Brock displayed a chin of granite, but the dude’s stand up is painful to watch - his defense is basically run and turtle. I still think he’ll G n P Cain though.
I’m intrigued by JDS and Carwin after that and I say Carwin can take it if he gets some gas. But for now, my dream match up is Overeem vs Brock - Dana better make it happen!