[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]cloakmanor wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]cloakmanor wrote:
“Catholics should try thinking for themselves and not let some old fart thousands of miles away do your thinking for you.” Dumb-ass goof on my part.
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So you remedy incompetence with ignorance and narcissism. To each his own, I guess.
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A mirror might be nearby you know. Look at it when you get the time. Of course not that you would even notice.[/quote]
My point is that Catholics do indeed think for themselves. Seriously. We really do.
Except for those who don’t.
And then there are all of those Catholics in-between who do some thinking for themselves, and then sort of prioritize and delegate some portion of their thinking out to someone else.
The rough make-up of the Catholic Church of has the third group taking up the biggest portion of the pie, and the other two groups confined to significantly smaller, similarly sized slices. The overall ratios of which are, shockingly, not that much different from every other large cultural or religious group of humans on earth.
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The Church tramples on critical thinking and thwarts at every opportunity. You cannot be a Catholic in good standing while the opposing the dogma and doctrines of the Church. A great deal of Catholics, perhaps even a majority disagree with at least one aspect of Church doctrine. What you will note about this however, is that these Catholics are not vocal about their dissent, and the Church does not aim to root them out. It is politically expedient for the Church to not go alienate it’s followers, and those pseudo-apostates are still so mentally enslaved that they maintain very real fears that prevent them from outright vocalizing that which they find to be irreverent in the Church line.
In the end, the hierarchy reminds and the Catholic man is never truly free. He has a Father in the Church, and that man has a Father all the way up until the Pope. All men down the pyramid are held by the chains of fear and the braces of guilt; with the puppet master at the top echelon.
For a Catholic man to become a vocal opponent of any part of the Church doctrine, would result in his excommunication.
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Ok. I tried. I tried really hard just to leave this alone. But you know what? Fuck it.
I’m not going to waste anyone’s time countering preposterous statements. You don’t have the slightest authority to give your opinion on the Catholic church. Whenever someone else starts repeating the same tired manufactured distortions about the Catholic church I can usually excuse the person because I know how hard it must be for so many people to believe anything good about the church when there is so much defamation to counter (along with her own real internal problems).
But you. You actually piss me off. Because you know better. And you lie anyway. You know this. And I know this. And you know that I know. Yet, here you are, needling me. So. Shall I humbly oblige you?
Maybe you’d like me to go hunting for that old thread where you earlier displayed your vast, in depth, first hand experience and knowledge of the Catholic church? We both remember how well that went, don’t we?
Yes, you must remember, that other thread where you belched up a bunch of easily disprovable libel about the Catholic church and I fact checked your ass and you backpedaled and muttered and then poofed out of your own thread like David Copperfield after a one night stand?
Oh wait here it is right here.
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/catholic_church_your_opinion?id=4112225&pageNo=1
6th post down on page two, my post quotes your fabrications and the rest of the thread displays your character.
And let it be known that until you own up to this, every time I see you pollute this forum by dropping another libelous turd about the Catholic church I will be reposting this link so that everyone can see what kind of authority lies behind those lies.
I eagerly await your response.
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I poofed because your Catholic apologist distrotions do not amount to the facts. I do not need to cut and paste errant biblical quotes together to try to make sense out of a senseless mishmash ideology. Would you expect to memorize the Upanishads Or recite the Hadith before realizing that I hate the lifestyle and environment of those religions from having live them?
I don’t claim to be a Priest, I’ve lived enough, read enough, seen enough and experienced enough of the Catholic Church to know what it is all about. Perhaps you looking at my assertions through your pro-Catholic bias would make them look false, but they are all objectively evident from someone who does not have a vested interested in rimjobbing the Pope.
In the Catholic Church you do not have rights, you can be excommunicated, which is a grand improvement from burning at the stake. Those men who vocally oppose the doctrine of the church, will find themselves labeled as apostates or heretics. While your average heckler at a bible study won’t get this treatment, it simply has to do with the fact that he is not openly vocal.
Further, in the Catholic doctrine you are guitly until proven innocent. It is mental slavery. They give you the debt of sin at birth and you have to work your life to pay it off. Even within their legal system, it is the same way, remember Father Corapi? They asked him to prove he was innocent essentially, but they didn’t have any real evidence against him.
Read Catholic doctrine, a Priest, is to his laymen, as Father is to his children. If you don’t understand the 1984-esque double speak of referring to your Priest as your Father, then you are obviously fucking blind. Further, Pope is the Latin transliteratin for the word Father and in basically all other languages worth mentioning in Catholicdom he is referred to as “Papa.”
Catholicism is a mindfuck, and I will prolly poof out of this thread because arguing with about as conductive as arguing with a North Korean Officer about who started the Korean War.
And NO, I am not interesting in becoming more educated (brainwashed) into the Catholic doctrine, any more so than I would like my Thetans audited by the Church of SCIENTOLOGY. If you’re actually going to assault my position based on your supposed ‘knowledge’ of the Catholic faith - just realize, that thing which you think you get value from having ‘knowledge’ of, features a talking donkey who informed Balaam of the devil, and of course a talking snake who lured us into our super bad decision to eat an apple THAT WE ALL NOW MUST PAY FOR THE REST OF FUCKING ETERNITY [METAL MUSIC PLAYS].
So you’ll have to excuse my ‘ignorance’ of the vast resource of human knowledge that is the Bible. I will be sure to become as well versed at it, as I am in Star Wars subplots, Scientology scripture, and Ufology. This will all have to occur when I get free time from mastering and studying pursuits worthy of human intellect, like absolutely anything but the absurd fields of human made fantasies pawned as reality.
