U.S. Ambassador to Libya Killed

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Marzouk wrote:

Apparently the financing came from several JEWISH business men.
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That’s already been debunked.

The director was Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a California Coptic Christian, backed by an evangelical Christian group, Copts, ex-muslims, and, yes, even some Jews.

The producer “Sam Bacile” speaks either with an accent or with no accent, but speaks arabic and is dark skinned.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/13/mohammed-movie-s-mystery-director.html[/quote]

i stand corrected, i did actually here the coptic thing as well.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Marzouk wrote:
If a crazy dictator wants to kill 10,000 of his own people a year let him crack on. [/quote]

So you are cool with genocide?[/quote]

Off course not, but lets not pretend the US steps in to actually help the people when its the assets of the country that interests them. H

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
The USA, the West, Israel, etc. will NEVER be loved in the ME. It’s stupid to try.

You will either be alpha, beta, gamma, or someone’s bitch.

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I just wanted to point out, I meant this quite literally:

“According to the Lebanese news organization Tayyar.org, citing AFP news sources, U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, who was killed by gunmen that stormed the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Tuesday, was reportedly raped before being murdered.”

I will also note that Amb. Stevens is the first US amassador since 1979 Iran to be murdered in the course of his duties.

Dealing with Islamist are very much like dealing with violent prisoners. Yes, the majority of prisoners just want to “do their time.” But there is a constant violent undercurrent and a full 1/3 are just bat shit crazy and will take over at the first sign of weakness.[/quote]

If this turns out to be true it is fucking unbelievable. It won’t provide much consolation but we can only hope that each of these animals responsible is hunted down and killed slowly.[/quote]

A full 1/3?

Is it my time to say internet stats are bullshit?

so for every 3 people i know here in Egypt, 1 has the potential to be an extremist islamic terrorist?

Yeah cool.

[quote]Marzouk wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Marzouk wrote:

Apparently the financing came from several JEWISH business men.
[/quote]

That’s already been debunked.

The director was Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a California Coptic Christian, backed by an evangelical Christian group, Copts, ex-muslims, and, yes, even some Jews.

The producer “Sam Bacile” speaks either with an accent or with no accent, but speaks arabic and is dark skinned.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/13/mohammed-movie-s-mystery-director.html[/quote]

i stand corrected, i did actually hear the coptic thing as well. [/quote]

[quote]Marzouk wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
The USA, the West, Israel, etc. will NEVER be loved in the ME. It’s stupid to try.

You will either be alpha, beta, gamma, or someone’s bitch.

[/quote]

I just wanted to point out, I meant this quite literally:

“According to the Lebanese news organization Tayyar.org, citing AFP news sources, U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, who was killed by gunmen that stormed the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Tuesday, was reportedly raped before being murdered.”

I will also note that Amb. Stevens is the first US amassador since 1979 Iran to be murdered in the course of his duties.

Dealing with Islamist are very much like dealing with violent prisoners. Yes, the majority of prisoners just want to “do their time.” But there is a constant violent undercurrent and a full 1/3 are just bat shit crazy and will take over at the first sign of weakness.[/quote]

If this turns out to be true it is fucking unbelievable. It won’t provide much consolation but we can only hope that each of these animals responsible is hunted down and killed slowly.[/quote]

A full 1/3?

Is it my time to say internet stats are bullshit?

so for every 3 people i know here in Egypt, 1 has the potential to be an extremist islamic terrorist?

Yeah cool. [/quote]

Not sure if you were referring to me in any way, but I certainly wasn’t referring to the 1/3 comment. I was talking about the rape.

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]Marzouk wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
The USA, the West, Israel, etc. will NEVER be loved in the ME. It’s stupid to try.

You will either be alpha, beta, gamma, or someone’s bitch.

[/quote]

I just wanted to point out, I meant this quite literally:

“According to the Lebanese news organization Tayyar.org, citing AFP news sources, U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, who was killed by gunmen that stormed the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Tuesday, was reportedly raped before being murdered.”

I will also note that Amb. Stevens is the first US amassador since 1979 Iran to be murdered in the course of his duties.

Dealing with Islamist are very much like dealing with violent prisoners. Yes, the majority of prisoners just want to “do their time.” But there is a constant violent undercurrent and a full 1/3 are just bat shit crazy and will take over at the first sign of weakness.[/quote]

If this turns out to be true it is fucking unbelievable. It won’t provide much consolation but we can only hope that each of these animals responsible is hunted down and killed slowly.[/quote]

A full 1/3?

Is it my time to say internet stats are bullshit?

so for every 3 people i know here in Egypt, 1 has the potential to be an extremist islamic terrorist?

Yeah cool. [/quote]

Not sure if you were referring to me in any way, but I certainly wasn’t referring to the 1/3 comment. I was talking about the rape.[/quote]

N sorry i was referring to the Israeli.

[quote]Marzouk wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Marzouk wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Simple solution: Set a barrier a reasonable distance from US embassy. If a crowd of crazy, protesting, Islamic extremists cross the barrier, mow them down with a mini gun.

Since violence is the only language these crazy fuckers understand and their “hearts and minds” will never be won, I have NO PROBLEM killing them when ever there is an opportunity. That is not to say I want to turn each Islamic country into a sheet of glass, but when a crowd of crazy fuckers is holding an embassy hostage, I view that as an imminent threat to US soil, and feel entitled to respond with overwhelming force.

This should accomplish two things: 1) if they have the ability to learn, then we will train them not to protest outside of our embassies, which is a good thing. 2) if they CONTINUE to protest and cross the line, we will have successfully killed some enemies of the US. Win=Win

I also think we should start dipping our bullets in pig blood and start burning some Korans. Since religion is the guiding force in their lives, it’s foolish not to exploit it’s inherent weakness and use as much psychological warfare against our enemy as possible. Put them off balance, draw them out, kill them.

Why the fuck are we still talking to and trying to reason with these stone age savages? [/quote]

Damn you’ve got anger issues.

Reason with stone age savages? The almighty dollar.

And your idea of killing them all? Not really got America anywhere so far has it?

Yes it’s wrong what they did, they shouldn’t have killed those 4 people.

But killing everyone isn’t the answer at all is it.
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I’ve got anger issues? I’ve lived and worked in the Washington DC area for most of my adult life. I lost friends on September 11, 2001 when crazy Islamic fuckers flew a plane into the Pentagon. So when, on that anniversary, some MORE crazy Islamic fuckers attack one of our embassies and kill our ambassador, I am less than amused. You’re goddamned right I’ve got anger issues!

Please point to where I said, “kill them all”. I believe I was clear when I said we should not hesitate to kill THE CRAZY FUCKERS who cross a line on OUR SOVEREIGN SOIL. I also said I DON’T support the idea of turning the country into a sheet of glass, implying that I don’t think ALL the citizens of that country fall into the category of a CRAZY FUCKER.

As for killing them all not getting America very far, I disagree. America rose to prominence in the world because we DID kill them all. We DID drop that bomb. We kick ass and take names when it serves our interest and we have the most powerful military in the world. WE have the bigger guns and if you fuck with us, you do so at your peril. However, I would say that this pussy footing around trying not to offend everyone isn’t getting us very far.

Again, I don’t believe that killing ALL Muslims is fair at all. By all accounts and from my personal experience, MOST people who practice Islam are NOT extremist. But there happens to be a very vocal, violent, crazy faction of EXTREMISTS who have used the religion to manipulate ignorant portions of the population in some Islamic countries into believing that America deserves to be attacked. I have NO PROBLEM whatsoever killing these crazy fuckers. And I would further that by adding that by killing them in a manner that is abhorrent to their religion we would discourage more radical assholes rising up. [/quote]

Yeah, we get it 3000 people died etc.

But as for America killing THE CRAZY FUCKERS only? Is that why the Iraq war has killed 162,000 Iraqis since 2001?

Over 50 times the number of people who died on 9/11. But i guess all 162,000 were extremist crazy fuckers who deserved to die right?

Then Afghan is another story completely. But i guess they all deserved to die for the actions of some one else as well.

NO ONE dying for anything is right. American or Arab.

The consulate guy shouldn’t have been killed, it had nothing to do with him.

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There are of course two ways to look at the death toll of the Iraq invasion. On the one hand 162,000 is a lot of people. On the other hand Iraq was designed by the same people who created Syria and we can see how messy it has been for the Syrians to revolt against Assad. Iraq would have been even worse if the Iraqis had tried to get rid of Saddam on their own.

So in that sense the US really did them a favor. Because there is no way the competing factions could have come together to get rid of Saddam.

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Marzouk wrote:

Apparently the financing came from several JEWISH business men.
[/quote]

That’s already been debunked.

The director was Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a California Coptic Christian, backed by an evangelical Christian group, Copts, ex-muslims, and, yes, even some Jews.

The producer “Sam Bacile” speaks either with an accent or with no accent, but speaks arabic and is dark skinned.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/13/mohammed-movie-s-mystery-director.html[/quote]
It really doesn’t even matter though. Lets say Israel decided they were going to fund films depicting Mohamed every day ala 4chans draw the prophet day. While it might be in poor taste its still the guys that are attacking diplomatic targets that are the problem.

As a general policy I do think we should leave the middle east, however for all Carter had wrong it certainly would have been nice about 40 years later to have remained focused on alternative energy such that oil would have been irrelevant to us. If we are going to be there and the countries on hand want us which they do but on the other hand want to free to demonize us and not help bring those responsible to justice at best and help hide them and secretly endorse them at worse then examples need to be made.

[quote]Marzouk wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
The USA, the West, Israel, etc. will NEVER be loved in the ME. It’s stupid to try.

You will either be alpha, beta, gamma, or someone’s bitch.

[/quote]

I just wanted to point out, I meant this quite literally:

“According to the Lebanese news organization Tayyar.org, citing AFP news sources, U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, who was killed by gunmen that stormed the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Tuesday, was reportedly raped before being murdered.”

I will also note that Amb. Stevens is the first US amassador since 1979 Iran to be murdered in the course of his duties.

Dealing with Islamist are very much like dealing with violent prisoners. Yes, the majority of prisoners just want to “do their time.” But there is a constant violent undercurrent and a full 1/3 are just bat shit crazy and will take over at the first sign of weakness.[/quote]

If this turns out to be true it is fucking unbelievable. It won’t provide much consolation but we can only hope that each of these animals responsible is hunted down and killed slowly.[/quote]

A full 1/3?

Is it my time to say internet stats are bullshit?

so for every 3 people i know here in Egypt, 1 has the potential to be an extremist islamic terrorist?

Yeah cool. [/quote]

Yes, of course, I was not using literal percentages. I was talking about the large plurality that is rather extreme — you get 20-35% of a country motivated and the rest split, that motivated group WILL take over.

That said, where I got my 1/3 number was a member of the Pew Research poll of Eqypt that wanted to impose sharia law on Eqypt, revoke peace treaties with Israel (actually a majority there) and generally support what the West would call radicalization of Eqypt.

That group is not the majority, but it is the largest of the groups.

If you saw the media blitz as this idiot’s house (the guy made this film) you would fall over.

The guy is a former meth dealer according to the media out here, he has had money problems for many years.

A warning was issued to the LA City Council, to not show this movie at a Hollywood theatre as far back as June. They did not listen.

There is NO Jewish affiliation with this movie, just some moron trying to make a statement.

Anybody else watch the trailer?

It’s so fucking disgusting that good people are dead over this amateurish drivel. Once again, we can only hope that these people are found and killed quickly.

[quote]smh23 wrote:
Anybody else watch the trailer?

It’s so fucking disgusting that good people are dead over this amateurish drivel. Once again, we can only hope that these people are found and killed quickly.[/quote]

I am with you my friend.

[quote]smh23 wrote:

It’s so fucking disgusting that good people are dead over this amateurish drivel.[/quote]

The movie is just an excuse. If it wasn’t the movie it’d be something else - a cartoon, a flag, a teddy bear named Mo etc.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

It’s so fucking disgusting that good people are dead over this amateurish drivel.[/quote]

The movie is just an excuse. If it wasn’t the movie it’d be something else - a cartoon, a flag, a teddy bear named Mo etc.[/quote]

Agreed. That’s the point–no matter what it is, it’s disgusting. There is a time to kill…this isn’t it or anything in the remote vicinity of it.

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“We haven’t been ruthless enough with the Afghans and Iraqis”

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This. “When the arab people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse”
-Sammy bin laden

Obama administration State Department was ‘warned of embassy attack but did nothing’ and ‘sensitive documents have gone missing from the consulate in Benghazi’ - ‘According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo.’