[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
‘The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims…’
Have you ever read anything so sickening in your life?[/quote]
This came before the attacks.
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Like I said that makes it worse on some levels.
I get what they were doing, but they worded it really, really shitty, seeing as we all know it wasn’t going to stop a god damn thing.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Romney made himself look like a fool today.
He came out of the gate with a misguided, irresponsible, and factually inaccurate statement. He accused the administration of apologizing rather condemning the violence, when in fact the statement was issued before any violence whatsoever.
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The statement was released early in the morning as crowds began to gather outside the Cairo embassy. By 11:00AM media reports told of over 2000 ‘protesters’ outside the U.S. Embassy. It was released to appease the gathering crowds who had been incited by the grand mufti Ali Gomaa the previous day. So the security of the embassy was already in question and the groveling statement made in a failed attempt to appease the IslamoNazis.[/quote]
Yah but embassies to backward countries release stupid statements all the time its not really germane to what we should do now.
Something should be done pretty much immediately imo.
I am a bit torn over giving them time to turn over the perpetrators or simply making an example the entire world never forget in Libya. This would never happen under any administration though.
[quote]groo wrote:
This came before the attacks.
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See below
Benghazi was the rebel’s stronghold and the consulate there was therefore more important than the Embassy in Gaddafi-held Tripoli.
The Libyan government won’t be handing over anyone I can assure you.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Romney made himself look like a fool today.
He came out of the gate with a misguided, irresponsible, and factually inaccurate statement. He accused the administration of apologizing rather condemning the violence, when in fact the statement was issued before any violence whatsoever.
[/quote]
The statement was released early in the morning as crowds began to gather outside the Cairo embassy. By 11:00AM media reports told of over 2000 ‘protesters’ outside the U.S. Embassy. It was released to appease the gathering crowds who had been incited by the grand mufti Ali Gomaa the previous day. So the security of the embassy was already in question and the groveling statement made in a failed attempt to appease the IslamoNazis.[/quote]
As I said, Mitt Romney criticized the statement for the explicit reason that it didn’t condemn the violence–before any violence occurred. Think what you want about the statement itself, but nothing you can say or do will make Romney’s handling of the situation anything other than a lie.
I’m jumping in a bit late here, but didn’t they attack an embassy? Isn’t that American soil?
Isn’t this an act of war?
Here is an interesting take on what happened. It looks like it was revenge for killing Bin Laden. It looks like the ongoing overseas contingency wasn’t ended by killing Osama. Imagine that.
Al Zawahri personally ordered Al Qaeda to murder US Ambassador Stevens
The US Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens and three staff members at the US consulate in Benghazi were deliberately murdered Tuesday night Sept 11 just after memorial ceremonies were held in America for the victims of the 9/11 outrage. debkafile?s counter-terror sources report exclusively that far from being a spontaneous raid by angry Islamists, it was a professionally executed terrorist operation by a professional Al Qaeda assassination team, whose 20 members acted under the orders of their leader Ayman al Zawahri after special training. They were all Libyans, freed last year from prisons where they were serving sentences for terrorism passed during the late Muammar Qaddafi?s rule.
In a video tape released a few hours before the attack, Zawahri called on the faithful to take revenge on the United States for liquidating one of the organization?s top operatives, Libyan-born Abu Yahya al-Libi in June by a US drone in northwestern Pakistan.
Its release was the ?go? signal for the hit team to attack the US diplomats in Benghazi.
To mask their mission, they stormed the consulate on the back of a violent protest by hundreds of Islamists against a film said to insult Prophet Muhammed produced by a Florida real estate agent called Sam Bacile, who has been described as of Israeli origin.
The operation is rated by terror experts as the most ambitious outrage al Qaeda has pulled off in the last decade. According to our sources, the gunmen split into two groups of 10 each and struck in two stages:
They first fired rockets at the consulate building on the assumption that the ambassador?s bodyguards would grab him, race him out of the building and drive him to a safe place under the protection of the US secret service;
The second group was able to identify the getaway vehicle and the ambassador?s armed escort and lay in wait to ambush them. The gunmen then closed in and killed the ambassador and his bodyguards at point blank range.
debkafile?s intelligence sources report that the investigation launched by US counter-terror and clandestine services is focusing on finding out why no clue was picked up of the coming attack by any intelligence body and how al Qaeda?s preparations for the attack which took place inside Libya went unnoticed by any surveillance authority.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
They were nice enough to drag him through the city before they killed him.[/quote]
They were taking his dead body (from smoke inhalation) to the hospital.
*note: haven’t read entire thread yet, reading now.
[quote]groo wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI[/quote]
thanks for sharing.
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
The real problem is that this part and alot of the world is decivilised. From what I have seen the cities are overpopulated and the people are degenerated. To get an idea imagine that for every post in this thread by a ‘‘normal’’ american poster you would have 30 inane ones by arabs or whatever such as Marzouk. And we don’t count the ones that can’t write at all.
I don’t think this act had any motive, it is only apes doing ape stuff, trying to find someone or something to hate and to blame for the shittiness of their country. The funny thing is that all of those Usa haters have never been to America and America has little to no relation with them in their daily life.[/quote]
Hmm so i’m an Arab extremist now? I’ll contemplate that while i eat my bacon and drink my whiskey.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Simple solution: Set a barrier a reasonable distance from US embassy. If a crowd of crazy, protesting, Islamic extremists cross the barrier, mow them down with a mini gun.
Since violence is the only language these crazy fuckers understand and their “hearts and minds” will never be won, I have NO PROBLEM killing them when ever there is an opportunity. That is not to say I want to turn each Islamic country into a sheet of glass, but when a crowd of crazy fuckers is holding an embassy hostage, I view that as an imminent threat to US soil, and feel entitled to respond with overwhelming force.
This should accomplish two things: 1) if they have the ability to learn, then we will train them not to protest outside of our embassies, which is a good thing. 2) if they CONTINUE to protest and cross the line, we will have successfully killed some enemies of the US. Win=Win
I also think we should start dipping our bullets in pig blood and start burning some Korans. Since religion is the guiding force in their lives, it’s foolish not to exploit it’s inherent weakness and use as much psychological warfare against our enemy as possible. Put them off balance, draw them out, kill them.
Why the fuck are we still talking to and trying to reason with these stone age savages? [/quote]
Damn you’ve got anger issues.
Reason with stone age savages? The almighty dollar.
And your idea of killing them all? Not really got America anywhere so far has it?
Yes it’s wrong what they did, they shouldn’t have killed those 4 people.
But killing everyone isn’t the answer at all is it.
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I’ve got anger issues? I’ve lived and worked in the Washington DC area for most of my adult life. I lost friends on September 11, 2001 when crazy Islamic fuckers flew a plane into the Pentagon. So when, on that anniversary, some MORE crazy Islamic fuckers attack one of our embassies and kill our ambassador, I am less than amused. You’re goddamned right I’ve got anger issues!
Please point to where I said, “kill them all”. I believe I was clear when I said we should not hesitate to kill THE CRAZY FUCKERS who cross a line on OUR SOVEREIGN SOIL. I also said I DON’T support the idea of turning the country into a sheet of glass, implying that I don’t think ALL the citizens of that country fall into the category of a CRAZY FUCKER.
As for killing them all not getting America very far, I disagree. America rose to prominence in the world because we DID kill them all. We DID drop that bomb. We kick ass and take names when it serves our interest and we have the most powerful military in the world. WE have the bigger guns and if you fuck with us, you do so at your peril. However, I would say that this pussy footing around trying not to offend everyone isn’t getting us very far.
Again, I don’t believe that killing ALL Muslims is fair at all. By all accounts and from my personal experience, MOST people who practice Islam are NOT extremist. But there happens to be a very vocal, violent, crazy faction of EXTREMISTS who have used the religion to manipulate ignorant portions of the population in some Islamic countries into believing that America deserves to be attacked. I have NO PROBLEM whatsoever killing these crazy fuckers. And I would further that by adding that by killing them in a manner that is abhorrent to their religion we would discourage more radical assholes rising up. [/quote]
Yeah, we get it 3000 people died etc.
But as for America killing THE CRAZY FUCKERS only? Is that why the Iraq war has killed 162,000 Iraqis since 2001?
Over 50 times the number of people who died on 9/11. But i guess all 162,000 were extremist crazy fuckers who deserved to die right?
Then Afghan is another story completely. But i guess they all deserved to die for the actions of some one else as well.
NO ONE dying for anything is right. American or Arab.
The consulate guy shouldn’t have been killed, it had nothing to do with him.
[quote]groo wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI[/quote]
Thats what 99% of muslims are like.
You see the 1%, which taints everyone else.
I AM NOT A MUSLIM.
My family and some of my friends are. They are not degenerate animals who aren’t house trained. They are just normal people who go to work like everyone else.
Looks like its a domino effect.
Yemen
Tunisia
Iraq
Embassies getting attacked everywhere. FML
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI[/quote]
Thats what 99% of muslims are like.
You see the 1%, which taints everyone else.
I AM NOT A MUSLIM.
My family and some of my friends are. They are not degenerate animals who aren’t house trained. They are just normal people who go to work like everyone else. [/quote]
Made up stats are made up.
Its more than 1 percent as the lunatic fringe. And to be frank the lunatic fringe is particularly virulent. There is now an attack in Yemen as well. Some reports that this is a coordinated terrorist effort. The thing is if 20 percent of your population(see I can make up stats as well) is truly crazy extremists then that has to be a big part of what drives the foreign policy. Libya can find and turn over the guys that killed the ambassador. If they choose not to do that for whatever reason including being afraid of said crazy fuckers then likely examples should be made.
Your group is known by your worst members not your best. If the mainstream members of a group won’t weed out the worst members then they can’t complain when they get construed as agreeing with them.
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
Looks like its a domino effect.
Yemen
Tunisia
Iraq
Embassies getting attacked everywhere. FML[/quote]
Everywhere? I don’t think its everywhere. I think its in certain places.
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
Looks like its a domino effect.
Yemen
Tunisia
Iraq
Embassies getting attacked everywhere. FML[/quote]
Everywhere? I don’t think its everywhere. I think its in certain places.[/quote]
You my friend are a fucking cunt. Talk about taking this things out of context and being a pedantic little prick.
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
Looks like its a domino effect.
Yemen
Tunisia
Iraq
Embassies getting attacked everywhere. FML[/quote]
Everywhere? I don’t think its everywhere. I think its in certain places.[/quote]
You my friend are a fucking cunt. Talk about taking this things out of context and being a pedantic little prick. [/quote]
@Marzouk - What the fuck are you doing in my country? What are you doing here?
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
The USA, the West, Israel, etc. will NEVER be loved in the ME. It’s stupid to try.
You will either be alpha, beta, gamma, or someone’s bitch.
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I just wanted to point out, I meant this quite literally:
“According to the Lebanese news organization Tayyar.org, citing AFP news sources, U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, who was killed by gunmen that stormed the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Tuesday, was reportedly raped before being murdered.”
I will also note that Amb. Stevens is the first US amassador since 1979 Iran to be murdered in the course of his duties.
Dealing with Islamist are very much like dealing with violent prisoners. Yes, the majority of prisoners just want to “do their time.” But there is a constant violent undercurrent and a full 1/3 are just bat shit crazy and will take over at the first sign of weakness.
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
Looks like its a domino effect.
Yemen
Tunisia
Iraq
Embassies getting attacked everywhere. FML[/quote]
Everywhere? I don’t think its everywhere. I think its in certain places.[/quote]
You my friend are a fucking cunt. Talk about taking this things out of context and being a pedantic little prick. [/quote]
What did I take out of context? Embassies getting attacked everywhere.
They aren’t being attacked in Europe. They aren’t being attacked in Asia. Hell they aren’t even being attacked in South America.
You’re a pathetic apologist. You remind me of this jackass versus Hitchens.
