Hope your shoulder recovery goes well.
[quote]Contrl wrote:
Hope your shoulder recovery goes well.[/quote]
What did you think of the shoulder stuff I sent you buddy? Ya gotta try some of it, especially the ultimate 2 minute shoulder warm up complex.
Schwarz: I don’t know if you get PMs… but I’d like to say that it’s great news you’re on the mend.
Morning,
Took a good look at what’s remaining and not only does it look like enough to get through this and the next week, but I just may be able to inject slightly more each shot on the deload week, which would be great. We’re talking anywhere from instead of .5ml on Mon/Wed, to closer to .7 or maybe even 1ml each day, then of course on Friday as per the norm. Wonderful eh?
Shot this morning went great. Absolutely painless, and they just get better and better like people say. I think a lot just depends where it goes, and how much it moves around. How close it is to a nerve possibly too, as probably even getting close to one, the deposit would likely cause some minor discomfort, more so that not being near one at all. Just me thinking aloud here, completely hypothetical as to my own experience.
At any rate, the lower back has been a bit down in the dumps but feels pretty good today so I should do alright. I will be a little conservative on the RDL's though as a result of that minor injury last week. I'll probably just stick to 225 on those today. That gets the job done anyway, so no real reason to compete with myself on them.
See you all later after todays workout.
Hope I can continue kicking butt. We’ll see.
ToneBone
Hi ho, hi ho, off to the gains I go!!
Sorry just feeling so full of myself it’s too funny.
Seriously guys, I keep thinking things are close to a plateau, but somehow manage to keep making myself more than happy with my wkouts. Kicked butt today and went conservative on RDL’s, just don’t want anything to mess this up, and felt like I could hear Schwarz whispering in my ear, “don’t do anything stupid now!!” Ha, haaa.
Here’s what we got today;
LEGS:
DYNAMIC WARM UPS: 2x10/3x5.
BOX SQUATS: 8X3. PREVIOUS WEEK-(6X4)
LT:95/15, 135/8, 185/4, 225/4, 245/4, 265/4, 275/4, 275/4.
TT:95/15, 135/8, 225/3, 245/3, 265/3, 275/3, 285/3, 285/3, 285/5.
Wow. I have to admit I was pretty happy with this. I honestly wasn’t feeling that strong at the warm up weights, and wasn’t even sure I’d get the 275 again for consecutive sets,…then the last set before the very last, I really barely got 3, but then a nice energetic song came on, and I thought about a couple guys in the back of my mind,(Schwarz/Contrl), who would be on my ass if they were here, and got really fired up and powered up 5 good reps, all better than the previous sets reps. I figured don’t go too gung ho on the weight, just try to get some reps if there’s enough gas in the tank. What a trip. My back was in the back of my mind too, but it went smooth as silk.
STEP UPS: 3X6 EACH LEG.
LT: 95/6, 105/6, 105/6.
TT: 95/6, 105/6, 115/6.
Don’t know how the fuck I managed this. These were felt much more from the work of the squats just before these. Definitely the hardest they’ve felt ever. Just said fuck it, and slapped on the 5’s each side and dealt with it.
ROMANIAN DEADS: 3X10.
LT: 95/10, 135/10, 225/10, 245/10, 245/5. (OUCH)
TT: 95/10 135/10, 185/10, 225/10.
Stopped there, felt ok, but there was just a feeling like I better not push it just yet. So I figured what the hey, this is good, let’s not fuck this thing up while everything’s going so well. I thought of Schwarz bitch slapping me around if I did fuck up too. That was enough to steer me clear of any nonsense, ha,haaaa…
STANDING CALVES: 2X15, 1X50.
LT: 135/15, 175/15, 175/15, 95/50. With a couple rest pause. of 3 seconds or so.
TT: 135/15, 185/15, 205/15, 95/50. Same with the pauses.
Did the stretches from hell again at 60second holds each. DC quad, DC ham, Schwarz hip flexors (two difft stretches).
Guys I'm really happy, first to still be ramping up ever so slowly but surely, second to not have jacked up the lower back this workout either.
Thanks to everyone for your support.
ToneBone
EDIT: For the hell of it I ran the tape measure around the quads again just to compare to the other day when I took a cold measure of them. Nothing impressive here, but interesting, and indicative of a decent pump.
COLD: 23"
POST WKOUT: 24"
Ola muscleheads!
Well, I didn’t do the delt circuit last Friday, or Monday, and I can tell the difference already. Left delt is a little bit sore/tight. It doesn’t take much, I should have known, and this goes to show it’s something I will HAVE to keep in my programs at least the 3 times a week that I do it presently. Not too bad, but just noticing it, and it won’t happen again. Time is always an issue more or less, and I just have to make sure I get it in on the proper days.
Anyway, not too bad, and nothing to fret about, just putting it out there.
Good solid workout.
delt 2 min warmup complex.
PULL UPS: 4X7.
LT: BW/8, BW/7, BW/7, BW/6.5.
TT: BW/10, BW/8, BW/7, BW/5.
DEEP ASS DIPS TO CHINA: 3X10. (yes they’re that deep).
LT: BW/10, +20/10, +30/8.
TT: BW/10, +30/10, +30/7-STRIP+20/8.5.
I also tend to hang there in the down position at the end of sets for a couple seconds, and still get back up nice and strictly. Pretty cool actually.
DB SHRUGS: 3X15.
LT: 60/15, 70/15, 80/15.
TT: 75/15, 85/15, 85/15.
FACE PULLS: DUE TO TIME, later this afternoon, with delt circuit also.
BB CURLS: 3X10
LT:80/10, 90/7, 80/10.
TT:80/9, 85/7, 85/5-65/10. Different ez curl bar, didn’t like it, switched on 2nd set to straight 7’.
LYING TRI EXTENSIONS: 3X10
LT: 90/10, 120/8, 120/7-70/25. (Crazy strip)
TT: 80/12, 110/9, 110/7-100/10. (Semi-crazy strip)
SINGLE ARM LATERAL RAISE: 5X20. 100 REP SET.
LT: YEP.
TT: YEP. delts felt somewhat fried today I must say.
ABS: Got em in this morning, since I missed em yesterday.
WOODCHOPPERS: 3X10
LT: 10/10, 11/10, 11/10.
TT: 10/10, 11/10, 11/10.
CABLE SIDE BENDS: 3X10.
LT: 10/10, 12/10, 12/10.
TT: SAME.
HIP FLEXION: 3X10
LT: 10/10, 10/10, 10/10.
TT: 9/10, 10/10, 11/10.
Feeling some fatigue at this point, but not too bad. Again, had a small amount of the old tightness in the left delt, but pretty sure it was my own fault from neglecting to get in last two consecutive delt circuits this past week. Won't happen again. Felt like I did pretty good on the pull ups and dips, curls were a bit strange, the bars always feel different at the gym vs. home gym equip. for some reason. Still despite biceps down a tad, or fairly close to even, tri's did well again, the fixed ez curl barbells only went up to 110, so that's why I used that. Still good job there. And got in the ab circuit, so all in all, good job overall. Felt really good yesterday, and am feeling good today.
Took the usual high dose dbol pre-wkout,(45-50mg), and popped 200mg caffeine. So, looking forward to the deload next week already,(whew!), and happy to say the gear looks to be a little more than the usual 400mg/week for that week, which I imagine will be a nice payoff for the recovery factor. Probably get almost 600mg in for that week, maybe even a bit more. Yipeee...
Have a great day.
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Ola muscleheads!
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Ola TB!
Nice job overall Tone, but those pullups and tri movements are going particularly nicely. Are the pullups pronated, neutral, or supinated? If they’re pronated then I’m jealous 
[quote]Dave_ wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
Ola muscleheads!
Ola TB!
Nice job overall Tone, but those pullups and tri movements are going particularly nicely. Are the pullups pronated, neutral, or supinated? If they’re pronated then I’m jealous
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Thanks Dave,
yeah they used to be strong points for me back in the day. Hard to believe how many I could get away with when I was in my late 20’s and 30’s…lol. I’m trying to get back to that. These are supinated for this month, switched them from last month per Schwarz recommendation. So that’s helping get the numbers up, although when I do them I really try to keep the biceps out of it as much as possible, no swinging, strict and all the way down full stretch etc. Actually even though they are easier than pronated, they enable me to further strengthen the lats in a good way, and so I anticipate and look forward to matching these numbers once I go back to pronated style.
Back in the day I used to easily get 3-4 sets of 10 reps of wide grip pull ups, strict as a mofo. That seems like a long way off but I'll be plugging away and with a little weight loss, I think it's achievable once again. I was around 175-185lbs back then.
Tri's have always been probably my best part. I had a good time doing dips today. I go very very deep, much deeper and slower throughout than anyone else I see doing them, which gives me a good feeling of accomplishment during the exercise and motivates me to improve every time. Actually I was up pretty good on those before I had to take those two months off of chest for the delts. Was getting sets of 10, and close to it with +60lbs. That had me smiling for a bit.
Of course there are plenty of areas to improve upon I know this. I probably come across as almost too happy go lucky and believe me I know my shortcomings are there. But it's pretty hard for me to not be excited about where I've gone in the last two months. Anyway, I'm rambling here, you get the picture buddy.
Good to hear from you Dave,
ToneBone
Hey TB, you got a PM.
A quick question if I may - do you find that 50mg of dbol messes with your stomach at all?
I tried some Pre workout once, and my stomach felt awful - although it could have been the 100ml of EVOO I put down about an hour beforehand, haha.
[quote]Dave_ wrote:
Hey TB, you got a PM.
A quick question if I may - do you find that 50mg of dbol messes with your stomach at all?
I tried some Pre workout once, and my stomach felt awful - although it could have been the 100ml of EVOO I put down about an hour beforehand, haha. [/quote]
No, it's a bit like a shot, in that mine's in a liquid suspension, but once it's down, I chase it with a bit of coke of all things and it's good. Never drink coke, but it works pretty good for this. That or iced tea or apple juice is nice too. But once it's down the hatch and chased, there's no problem.
I imagine the EVOO had an unsettling effect on you most likely, simple enough to rule it out next time by omitting it.
TBN
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
I imagine the EVOO had an unsettling effect on you most likely, simple enough to rule it out next time by omitting it.
TBN[/quote]
Absolutely. Wanted to ask around first because it’s not a pleasant experiment!
Failing that, I might try letting it dissolve on my tongue first seeing as your liquid version doesn’t cause problems.
Thanks for the info Tone, all the best buddy
Dave
[quote]Dave_ wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
I imagine the EVOO had an unsettling effect on you most likely, simple enough to rule it out next time by omitting it.
TBN
Absolutely. Wanted to ask around first because it’s not a pleasant experiment!
Failing that, I might try letting it dissolve on my tongue first seeing as your liquid version doesn’t cause problems.
Thanks for the info Tone, all the best buddy
Dave
Yeah, you got it brotha.
I imagine a dissolved pill probably won’t taste all that great either! Just get that chaser down quick, ha, haa!
peace Dave
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So Tone, I might have missed it, but what is the game plan for your deload? Are you just going to tone down the workouts, do nothing but study, just keep active, or …?
[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
So Tone, I might have missed it, but what is the game plan for your deload? Are you just going to tone down the workouts, do nothing but study, just keep active, or …?[/quote]
Hey there bubba, how's it?
No, no, no…it’s the same workout, just scaled back and modified sets/reps. It’s actually logged in here back from last months workouts so I have to dig it out anyway, and will repost it here now so you can see.
But in a nutshell, it’s basicly taking a certain amount of reps, different from the usual, some the same, some higher end,ie:(12), and then putting forth an effort equivalent to 85% of that repetition amounts Max effort weight. So if for example I do a move with 200 lbs. for 10 reps, then on a deload week I would do it with 170 for 10 reps.
It's slightly more detailed than that, but that's the basic jist of it.
ToneBone
Hey gang, what's cookin?
Well, just gave the left quad the ol Wed morning shot, and great news lads. I’ve been conservative as an ol geezer as you know with the dose to make it last, and thanks to that, I’ve got plenty left it looks like for a real bang out last week of shots! Today I gave it a nice .75ml instead of .5, and looks like I have enough to slam 1.5 on Friday, and 1.0-1.5ml each day next week during deloading.
How’s that for good fortune eh? Even these figures might easily be lower than what will actually transpire!!
I guess I gave myself a nice little bday present after all, ha, haaaa!!! That's hilarious..
Friday will be the day before the bday, so I’ll probably get in at least 1.5, maybe 2.0 for the weekend festivities!
Anyway, thought you'd all get a kick out of this news, as I have. I never see anyone do something like this on purpose, and it makes me wonder if it would be a feasible thing to do in future shorties actually??? Something for the brains to ponder guys. I might do something like this again if the pct works out fine. Run my regular dose during the first 3 weeks, then spike it up on the fourth week and deload in training in accordance with the increased androgens. Food for thought indeed.
Oh well, enough of my thoughts. Intereseted to see if any of you think I might be on to something there.
Put off the delt circuit till today to get back on track with it. So, will do that and forearms this afternoon. Talk to you all later, and hope everyone has a great "humpday", middle of the week day that is.
ToneBone
Why not structure it so that your whole cycle is the dose at which you plan to run your last week?
I can’t imagine the gains you’d see then. As you know, I’m rather a fan of high dose and short cycles.
[quote]World1187 wrote:
Why not structure it so that your whole cycle is the dose at which you plan to run your last week?
I can’t imagine the gains you’d see then. As you know, I’m rather a fan of high dose and short cycles.[/quote]
I don't expect you to remember the way things panned out, so I'll reiterate. This is just an idea I came up with to try out later IF it seems to help on this one.
Initially let's remember, I'm no veteran of injecs, we know this. Now, I was on the fence initially about running this at 600mg/week for 2 weeks, or 400mg/week for three. This was a "guestimate" of mine by simply looking at the two vials and trying to figure out how much I had. The input from Schwarz and Bushy was to go ahead and "milk" it for all it's worth, ie length of cycle vs. dose, since there seemed to be very little left.
Also, the whole negative reaction to the first attempt way back when was a bit in the back of my mind still, so we opted for the lower 400/week dose.
Now, having said all this, as it's turned out, I was a little shy on my estimate at how much I had to play with. This is now the third week "on", and I am now of the realization of the fact that there is indeed more than I had thought. So that's why I'm upping a couple of week 3 shots, namely todays and Fridays, and then running as much as possible next week which I thought was interesting as it's also my "deload" week which is primarily to enhance recovery from this months workload. As we know this is when you make gains with or without AAS, which would enhance this, correct?
So, that's where this idea of actually doing this on purpose in a future shorty comes from. Of course it depends on how this goes. If I realize even better, impressive gains from the deload and upped dosage during, then I may think there is something to be had here if done on purpose again. I plan on using a higher weekly dosage in the future, but I don't plan on going from 400 or 600, back up to 1200+ by any means. Hell, I did quite well on what should be a small gain dosage of 400mg/week, so I have no problem taking my time and evaluating as I go cycle by cycle.
I just plan on when I do run another, IF THIS WORKS in a really good way, then I could see myself spiking the last weeks dosage.
See I plan on using Schwarzzy's deload principles on a regular basis in my workouts from here out, instead of "playing it by ear", or "thinking" hey I need to deload intensity etc., I will follow a structured regimen, ie: like now ,3 full on, 1 deload per month. Why tweak something that is obviously kicking ass for me. I always did my hardest and would just take days off, or lower intensity in chaotic methods, and it never worked like this, thus my preference for Schwarz's example.
So, it's just a hypothesis of mine, we all know I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable as the vets are about this, but I do have some good ideas here and there, and I thought this was interesting enough to merit bringing it up to everyone.
Anyway let's see what happens and go from there. It was purely by coincidence that I have enough to up the ante, so it just happens to be happening during the deload and that makes for some intrigueing shit. Spell check that word will you? Ha, haaaa...
see ya later, loving this cycle as low of a dose as it is!! But don't count me out of a higher dose throughout the next one, thinking 600-800. Can't even imagine what would happen there. The other thing I forgot to mention is that I am trying to keep growth/recomp a bit discreet as well, MWAHAHAAAAAA!!!
CHEERS!
TONEBONE
What exactly is your reasoning for trying to be so hush hush about your well-earned physique improvements?
Todays workout was the delt circuit and forearms. I don't see any real feature that stands out enough to merit posting it, but will say for forearms, everything was about the same, minor improvements in reps.
I'll tell you what though, that delt circuit I do sure is a torturous bitch, when you get right down to it. I blew it off as you may remember, from previous posts, on last Friday, and this Monday for time reasons etc., and holy shit, damn that supersetted circuit will produce some lactic acid burn like nobodys business!! I mean, I normally "feel" it, but after blowing it off twice, that shit was vicious man.
Here it is again, for anyone who is remotely interested in just crucifying your infraspinatus, and supraspinatus muscles of the rotator cuff support team, and some other smaller muscles of the back as well. This will be painful in a productive way.
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DB CUBAN ROTATIONS: 4X15
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BAND EXTERNAL ROTATIONS: 4X15
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BAND PULL APARTS: 4X15
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BAND DISLOCATES: 4X15
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BAND PRESS: 4X15
I put max effort into the last two, whilst "gearing" up for that in the first two sets. Anyway, nothing to report besides this guys. I thought this should be posted again as someone was asking about it last night, Dave I believe. I take about a 3-5 second "break" between the exercises, and you will feel a ferocious burn and your arms will hang like spaghetti if you make it tough with the band. So, if you're into this kind of pain, give it a whirl. Happy Wednesday Gents! ToneBone
[quote]World1187 wrote:
What exactly is your reasoning for trying to be so hush hush about your well-earned physique improvements?
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I just wouldn't want to choose an amount of gear that would make things exceedingly obvious that I was under the influence of "something" very powerful, as only one person is fully
“aware” of what it is I do with the “supps”.
That would be the part time training homey.
Suffice to say, there are those who despite being VERY close to me, just would not understand AT ALL, the real intentions and justification of using said “supps”. Many people out there, including some close to me, are very, shall we say, disillusioned about the educated use of these products, and would be
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Disappointed in me.
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Shocked and stunned.
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Think perhaps I am “obsessed”, ha,haaaa…
These types of reactions would be par for the course, with most likely a "snowballing" effect with increasingly negative perceptions of who I am. Which I like to think, is a decent, nice, friendly sort of chap who just doesn't go along with the herd on this topic of "dangerous" supps. But you can't convince everyone of this. You guys who have, or are in a better situation, well all I can say is congratulations.
But let’s face it, the majority of the “common folk”, are completely oblivious to the concept of steroid use being acceptable behavior unfortunately. Such is the situation I happen to be in, and instead of risking an attempt at explaining this, I have a good idea that that wouldn’t go over at all.
People always have hidden thoughts, or backgrounds from loved ones, some harmless, and others quite harmful. I like to think this is something that is harmless, but better off kept in the closet. The way I look at it is, if I don’t have anything worse, ie: cheating/recreational drug use, etc., then I really don’t feel too bad about “keeping the peace” so to speak. But that’s just me.
I think more than anything it would just put unecessary stress on someone whom I care a great deal about, so why even go there…
Can you feel me on this?