My bad there Tone… for some reason I was under the impression you were running drol and winny…
I got mixed with somebody else, my bad on that…
Yeah, with that dosage I wouldn’t think there’d be much in the “superhuman” department, but it probably does give you a boost.
Just out of curiosity, how’s the sex drive? My lady can always tell when I start running some test…
I like the idea of a de-load week. It’ll give your CNS some recovery time and your body some time to adjust to what you’ll be demanding of it in the weeks ahead.
[quote]World1187 wrote:
My bad there Tone… for some reason I was under the impression you were running drol and winny…
I got mixed with somebody else, my bad on that…
Yeah, with that dosage I wouldn’t think there’d be much in the “superhuman” department, but it probably does give you a boost.
Just out of curiosity, how’s the sex drive? My lady can always tell when I start running some test…
[/quote]
No, you got it right, I am going to run that oral combo, just after this. And if you look above, I mentioned said sex drive being somewhat slightly higher but nothing to write home to momma about.
TBN
[quote]kroby wrote:
I like the idea of a de-load week. It’ll give your CNS some recovery time and your body some time to adjust to what you’ll be demanding of it in the weeks ahead.[/quote]
Well yeah I've already done it last month and it was very effective in getting the gains along..And there aren't too many weeks ahead at this point my man, ha, haaa. I probably have enough to get through next week and the one after actually, which is far more than I thought it would be really.
peace Krobzilla.
Ok fellas,
Wow, great workout. Finally felt what I would call a slightly supraphysiological “test pump”. It was in a word, Fantastic! Like the first one yet I actually physically noticed and felt since starting. Nice.
Didn’t do the delt circuit today. Tomorrow with forearms.
PRONE GRIP BB ROW: 5X7.
LT: 95/7, 135/7, 155/7, 155/7, 155/7, 155/7-135/12. STRIP
TT: 95/7, 135/7, 155/7, 165/7, 155/7, 155/7-135/15-95/30. STRIP SET X 2.
DEEP ASS DIPS TO CHINA. 3X10
LT: BW/10, +10/10, +10/9.
TT: BW/10, +20/10, +30/8.
Very nice gain. Just in case you’re not aware guys, I am gaining on these very fast as I compare to 3 days back instead of the one week for most things. I do these every chest session which falls on Tues/Fri. Just a note.
FLAT DB BENCH: 3X10. Added another chest ex for the first time. Hope you don’t mind Schwarz, ha, haaa. Felt good and just want to take advantage of things. So while this wasn’t any thing superhuman weight wise, it was fairly taxing and back to back with the dips, after virtually no chest work in two months, so fairly happy with it. Delt didn’t have any issues either, another great sign that the delt circuits and rehab has worked beautifully.
30/12, 65/10, 65/10, 65/10. Very deep and smooth,slow contractions. Nice.
REAR LATERAL RAISE: 2X15.
LT: 10/15, 15/15, 15/15.
TT: SAME
DB PREACHER CURLS: 3X10.
LT: 35/7, 35/6, 30/8.
TT: 35/10, 35/8, 30/10.
DB KICKBACKS: 3X10.
LT: 27.5/10, 27.5/10, 27.5/10.
TT: 27.5/10, 30/10, 30/10-15/20. STRIP SET.
I had not been using 30’s because I felt like I need to get that 1 sec contraction with the arm extended for a proper rep. So, last time I tried I was easily able to extend it all the way, but no hold on the contraction which is another story as we all know. Well, got it now, so went up with it.
SINGLE ARM BAND ROW: 5X20
LT: 100
TT: SAME.
ADDED EX.
PREACHERS EZ CURL BAR: 80/7, 60/12, 60/11.
TRICEP PRESSDOWNS: 50/15+, 90/12, 90/12.
Called it a day after getting silly with the added exercises, hope Schwarz doesn’t kill me, lol. So, another great one. I kind of expected a little more kick today, from being on for two weeks now, and having the 1ml shot this morning around 8:45am. Still I wasn’t really feeling that great but came around.
I took some measurements after the workout for shits and giggles gentlemen. Recall the other day both arms measured out at an ice cold 17"+. I also measured quads at around 23" cold it looked like. Nothing too impressive there I know. Anywho, here's how things looked after the nice pump.
CHEST: 45.5"
ARMS: 17.75" EACH.
FOREARMS: 14".
Thought that would be relevant at this point, even though I didn't take any earlier chest or forearm measurements. Pretty happy with the chest, it looks pretty good for not getting much work of late, and extra calories. Fun stuff boys.
Well there it is.
ToneBone
Sounds like you’re making some damn good progress Tone…
Those arm improvements are very impressive, congratulations on that sir.
Your size is definitely increasing. How much of an effect would you say water retention and bloat has on that though? Or do you look much harder than you thought you would have?
I’m running much higher test (800) and surprisingly I feel I have very little water thus far… I’m only 2 weeks in, but now I added tren with winny and drol… so we’ll see how that turns out…
Also, how much of an effect would you say your deload period had on your ability to recover now?
Lots of questions, sorry bout that, but just very interested in your compound cocktail…
[quote]World1187 wrote:
Sounds like you’re making some damn good progress Tone…
Those arm improvements are very impressive, congratulations on that sir.
Your size is definitely increasing. How much of an effect would you say water retention and bloat has on that though? Or do you look much harder than you thought you would have?
I’m running much higher test (800) and surprisingly I feel I have very little water thus far… I’m only 2 weeks in, but now I added tren with winny and drol… so we’ll see how that turns out…
Also, how much of an effect would you say your deload period had on your ability to recover now?
Lots of questions, sorry bout that, but just very interested in your compound cocktail…[/quote]
You know, I really don't feel like there's much bloat at all due to water retention, the size has been slow but steady. I have put on some bodyfat, I feel it's mainly just the amount I would have put on without AAS due to my caloric intake, which is moderately over maintenance.
The bloat that comes from aromatizing steroids, just isn’t there in my opinion. Now whether that’s from running the Adex at .25mg ed, or just the lower end dose of 400 and some odd mg/week, which probably is only just at 2/3 test, with masteron making up the rest, so there isn’t a whole lot of test to retain a bunch of water.
At any rate, the muscles are definitely harder, more vascular and bigger in actual tissue in my opinion. I would like to cut after this is over and done with. My main reason for the calorie surplus was to help garner some quad size, and that’s definitely been done, and along with the rest too now. I’m really sold on masteron as a complimentary compound to future cycles. Nice and dry, with solid lean strength gains, with some size in addition. Just my opinion.
Thanks, on the arm gains, yeah they're substantial, and look to be real muscle gained. I imagine losing some fat with a cutter and revealing some really nice muscle later with more vascularity and definition after I get on the AD strict again. I believe I'll do that with the drol/win after being off for the desired time. Like I was saying, it looks like I have at least enough to get into and end the week after next with the other vial utilized after resterilizing it.
I like your new additions, very interested in tren, I imagine you're about to get iron hard musculature here very soon. Great going.
Oh and the deload is very effective and I will keep it in all my routines from here out. Pretty much the fourth week every month, with one less set for most things at a basic 10 rep set at 85% RM for said sets.
This is to the best of my recollection from last month. Schwarz may have something up his sleeve for this one, or it will be the same. I know he's coming up with a completely new and different program for me after this month. The rehab seems to be complete at this point. Very, very happy about that, and going with a balanced body part regimen again next go round.
Anyway, gotta go, redited the post just now, as I wasn't completely accurate in a first quickly done post, so now it is more accurate buddy.
ciao,
ToneBone
Impressive measurements bro glad to see you climbin without even any bloat?! sounds like your well on your way to a nice flawless cycle. anxious to see what schwarz is gonna put you through as this time around you can focus more on hittin er hard as you dont have the rehab to get in your way. should be a trip!
I’m asking for visual proof. I’d really like to see what you keep when all is said and done.
[quote]kroby wrote:
I’m asking for visual proof. I’d really like to see what you keep when all is said and done.[/quote]
well, I'll see what I can do, some people do that, and some don't for what should be obvious reasons. I tend to not do it, but am going to try and do something for this, can't say for sure, I'm busy a lot, and have to go through the motions of getting/finding the family camera,(ridiculous, but time consuming), and having someone basicly do the leg work for me as last time I did it, it came out tweaked. Save one time when I sent some things to Bushy and Schwarz when my better half actually got it on the computer for me.
What I'm saying is, I'll try, but it's not the most important thing to me right now with a zillion other things going on for me at the same time, studying/caretaking/training/etc, etc.
If you doubt what you read for whatever reason, I understand, but most people know I don't exaggerate or bullshit in the slightest bit.
ToneBone
What in god’s name is a dumbbell Cuban rotation?
Isn’t that like paddling the banana boat?
TB, how tall are you again? I’m having trouble visualizing your measurements.
i got my shoulder surgery yesterday, needed three suture anchors–apparently it was much more intensive than previously thought, but going well thus far. i have only one hand so typing sucks.
don’t complain about fatigue and waning motivation but then do extra work each workout, in addition to strip sets. you will make progress, but at a cost. i know you feel like maximizing the AAS, but try for greater intensity over greater volume. try this for the last week before the deload, otherwise the deload week may not be sufficient, especially with the AAS cycle ending.
your arms are now as large as mine (yes i have shrunk, thus surgery). 17+ is very impressive, especially on our shorter frame. great job. revel in the progress, but don’t go overboad.
great fucking job all around. i am very happy for you, and am quite impressed. i just don’t want to see you crash and burn.
and good fucking job on the squats! a maintainable 275x5 is my goal for the program, as far as legs go. at this rate it’ll be yours.
Today actually found a way to tilt the keyboard on my lap and rest my bum arm on it, so I can type a proper message (and much more quickly. Again, great job on the progress and I’m really glad you’re shoulders have taken well to the rehab and increasing weights. You’ve gotten a LOT done in the past two months. That’s something to be proud of.
I also want pics. If you can’t or don’t want to post here, PM me.
[quote]Contrl wrote:
What in god’s name is a dumbbell Cuban rotation?
Isn’t that like paddling the banana boat?
TB, how tall are you again? I’m having trouble visualizing your measurements.[/quote]
Ha, haaaaa, haaaa!!!!
Finally got my old comedic partner out of the field for a good hearty laugh!! Well, yes it is quite a bit like paddling the ol banana boat indeed. That was a good one.
Actually, it can be done with a BB or DB. I like either.
For DB CB rotations, picture holding the pair almost as if you're about to do an upright row, where they're fairly close together, then bring them up to shoulder height, with elbows at a 90 degree angle,(L shape), parallel to the ground. From here, you then rotate them up so your forearms are now perpendicular to the ground, whilst maintaining the 90 degree angle at the elbow. From there once rotated up, then rotate back down to parallel,(or as low as possible while keeping chest and upper arms from lowering themselves), then just bring the whole lot back down to the bottom position of an upright row again, where they're basicly touching each other. You can be fluid in getting to the parallel position, and I like to rotate up to perpendicular and back down a bit more distinct and seperate, then back down. Let me find a link here for you.
With the BB, there is none of the initial upright row to deal with, you simply grab a bar so that when holding it, the distance btw arms is just past shoulder width, then hold it with arms at the 90 degree angle, and simply rotate from forearms parallel to ground, up to where the bar almost touches your forehead, and back down to parallel, or as low as attainable without lowering the upper arms again. It isn't a big weight movement as they can be in a somewhat compromised position and you could easily injure the cuff muscles if too gung ho right off the bat.
Pretty much works the same muscles as an "L" fly would also. It's an external rotation movement. The band ex rotations are a little different but work the same basic area too. Here's a link or two Contrl:
Picture of BB Cuban Rotation:
http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=body_145shldr
Video clip of a single DB Cuban Rotation:
For the latter, scroll down the page to where it says 90 degree DB rotation, and click on the windows or other link.
He does it the same but I keep the DB hands in a supine grip position at the bottom, so the sides of the DB face each other, not the handles.
ToneBone height: 5’10".
Thanks for the interest and stoppin by to say hi bud!
ToneBone
[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
i got my shoulder surgery yesterday, needed three suture anchors–apparently it was much more intensive than previously thought, but going well thus far. i have only one hand so typing sucks.
don’t complain about fatigue and waning motivation but then do extra work each workout, in addition to strip sets. you will make progress, but at a cost. i know you feel like maximizing the AAS, but try for greater intensity over greater volume. try this for the last week before the deload, otherwise the deload week may not be sufficient, especially with the AAS cycle ending.
your arms are now as large as mine (yes i have shrunk, thus surgery). 17+ is very impressive, especially on our shorter frame. great job. revel in the progress, but don’t go overboad.
great fucking job all around. i am very happy for you, and am quite impressed. i just don’t want to see you crash and burn.[/quote]
Thanks Schwarz.
It means a lot to me to be doing so well. I hear you on the deload, and looks like I have enough for one more week of full on, as well as the follow up deload week. So actually this month is getting stretched to a month and a week total. I guess I’ll use 8x3 then for the main quad move,(box squats), and then the week after this one, deload as before with regards to sets/reps.
As I told you via email, fantastic news on your recent surgery, and just take care and be patient during the recovery process. You'll be back and at it in no time. Let nature work her course at her own pace though now. I hear you on the workload, I'll try intensity over volume, just as you know, I've been so giddy about my progress I couldn't help myself and threw in the extra stuff!
take care,
ToneBone
[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
and good fucking job on the squats! a maintainable 275x5 is my goal for the program, as far as legs go. at this rate it’ll be yours.[/quote]
Ha, that's a trip, if it really was your goal at the start eh? Great man. Thanks and I owe everything to you for giving me a template for success. I just had to go through with it, but the formula is all you.
I certainly hope I can maintain something like that, it's been a long time for me to hit numbers like that. It's actually never gotten that high since my accident and subsequent knee damage, which was some 15 or more years ago, so again, thanks Schwarz.
[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
Today actually found a way to tilt the keyboard on my lap and rest my bum arm on it, so I can type a proper message (and much more quickly. Again, great job on the progress and I’m really glad you’re shoulders have taken well to the rehab and increasing weights. You’ve gotten a LOT done in the past two months. That’s something to be proud of.[/quote]
You're telling me on the shoulders. I never expected the rehab to work so well as it has. Especially since in the early stages, say the first month or so, while feeling better, they didn't feel near as good as they do now, and had me wondering if they would in fact make a full recovery in mobility and pain as they did.
Thanks again, I do feel pretty proud of getting all the work done, now that I'm looking back on where I was two or more months ago when we started, and where I'm at now. It was just so exciting and fun for me to have you in my corner so to speak, that I didn't notice how quickly it was flying by, and it never "felt" like "work", or something I was dreading or not looking forward to.
That's what positive energy will do for a guy.
ToneBone
[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
I also want pics. If you can’t or don’t want to post here, e-mail me.[/quote]
Yeah, you know me, like I told Kroby, I do plan on getting it done. I'll probably get some on, send em to you, and let you black out the face, or whatnot, and send em back to me and then post them. We'll figure something out, I know that sounds pretty ridiculous, but getting computer savvy has always taken a back seat on my list of things to do, ha, haaaa..
Wonderful to see you're on your way to shoulder health again buddy! Way to go coach!
see ya.