My posts have been a bit laggy, so I’ll save a proper response for another day.
I would like to thank you for thanking me, as I always appreciate other peoples appreciation.
You still owe me the after pics.
[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
My posts have been a bit laggy, and some aren’t showing up, so I’ll save a proper response for another day.
I would like to thank you for thanking me, as I always appreciate other peoples appreciation.
You still owe me the after pics.[/quote]
Yeah, taking some today, after a little forearm wkout with my buddy. I'll have him take a few, double front bi, double rear bi, front lat, rear lat, most muscular, wheels front/side/calves. That ought to cover it eh Schwarz?
ciao.
Hey, InTheZone.
I’d like to ask you some questions about a Drol/Winny two-weeker, may I PM you?
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Suffice to say, there are those who despite being VERY close to me, just would not understand AT ALL, the real intentions and justification of using said “supps”. Many people out there, including some close to me, are very, shall we say, disillusioned about the educated use of these products, and would be
- Disappointed in me.
- Shocked and stunned.
- Think perhaps I am “obsessed”, ha,haaaa…
[/quote]
I’ve been thinking about this, too. In the end, as long as I can mask gains at work with loose clothes, I say Fuck you! to everyone. I’m nearly 40 and I can make an informed decision despite everyones misinformed perceptions.
Tone, if you can do it without ending up in Santa Rita, the benefits to your mental and physical health far outweigh what a bunch of self righteous boobs think.
[quote]Humbug wrote:
Hey, InTheZone.
I’d like to ask you some questions about a Drol/Winny two-weeker, may I PM you?
[/quote]
sure bugaboo.
[quote]kroby wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
Suffice to say, there are those who despite being VERY close to me, just would not understand AT ALL, the real intentions and justification of using said “supps”. Many people out there, including some close to me, are very, shall we say, disillusioned about the educated use of these products, and would be
- Disappointed in me.
- Shocked and stunned.
- Think perhaps I am “obsessed”, ha,haaaa…
I’ve been thinking about this, too. In the end, as long as I can mask gains at work with loose clothes, I say Fuck you! to everyone. I’m nearly 40 and I can make an informed decision despite everyones misinformed perceptions.
Tone, if you can do it without ending up in Santa Rita, the benefits to your mental and physical health far outweigh what a bunch of self righteous boobs think.[/quote]
Yep, that's pretty much my attitude. At this stage of the game in our lives, I think we can make such a decision with a fair amount of sense. Santa Rita eh, out here in Austria? Ha, haaa....I'm waiting for you to get on the dark side Krob, you should start one here soon.
Well, I like both scenarios. The test e is definitely the easier to obtain route for sure. Then you got Cortes saying that is good, but then add in mast for help with the sides....well, then you're back to my original idea then aren't we? Lol...That's why I like the combo idea, should be slightly "drier" gains.
The other thing is this, look at what I had to run as far as an AI dosage, with just the low amount of test, 300-500/week, to keep the nips from getting too hard/sensitive. I was on .25, then .5, then .75 PER DAY... and that still wasn't keeping the hardness from coming up at the end there...So that's why I would be skeptical to raise the test dose at this point. Should I get a different adex? I doubt there is any thing wrong with this one, but you see, that's a lot of adex for a low dose, and I want to cut down on ancilliarie as much as possible, for lipid values etc...So, I really don't know.
I mean how much would I need every day at 800/week?? Fuck, this last week, I ran like just about 800mg I guess...hmmm.. .am I that "off" for this reasoning? Or do you guys see my point? Especially running a 12 weeker, I would want to keep values in check, and a high dose of AI might not allow for that..
Tell me if I'm worrying too much.
It would be “easy” I suppose, but I just thought the results would be drier, and less side prone with a more even split between the test and mast.
Of course it all depends on what exactly I am able to aquire, ha, haaa...so this could all be just water under the bridge...lol.
ToneBone
To clarify:
week 1-2, approx 300 week test/ .5mg/day adex.(harder)
weeks 3-4, approx 300-750 week test/ .75mg/day adex.
Harder again, and still had the sensitiveness to the nips. Not too bad, but bad enough to not dig it...
So the initial adex dose didn't bring the nips back down from being harder, just kept them stable at that level, then when test increased to the higher end dose, they got even harder, and slightly painful.
General Impressions from cycle:
Final fasted weight: 209.5 lbs.
Strength: Up considerably. Better than expected for quads.
Bloat: Minimal bloat from compounds. Diet more responsible for fat gain.
Vascularity: As would be expected due to diet, minimal but some vascularity improvement despite diet.
Hypertrophy: Overall a nice amount in varying degrees.
BODY PART BREAKDOWN:
BACK: More thickness and density than lat width. Strength increase significant.
CHEST: Minimal development due to putting it off for two months. On the way back, unfortunately due to the lay off, there are assymetry issues between the two pecs again. This is from atrophy, and fat gain. So, not too worried here. At least the atrophy was halted and the chest is reacustomed to a work load w/out shoulder problems.
TRAPS: Thickness gained. Strength increase substantial.
DELTS: No visible gains really. Mostly integrity of joint returned to close to normal. Feel much better and more even in strength between the main 3 heads. Strength increase substantial in rotator cuff region.
BICEPS: Nice increase in peak, despite again, the smooth look from extra calories. Much “harder” and recently developed “cuts” at distal aspect of the bicep heads. Strength increase substantial.
TRICEPS: Size increase, some small amount of increased seperation/definition. Strength increase quite substantial.
QUADS: Major,(for me), hypertrophy/size gains. Major strength gains made. Increased seperation of vastus medialis from rectus femoris and vastus lateralis.
HAMS: Increase in size moderate. Strength gains substantial.
CALVES: Some small amount of size increase, not too noticeable. Some strength gains made.
ABS: Strength gains substantial, six pack? Ha, haaa, no sir. Waistline increase and love handles increased. Not too bad though.
LOWER BACK: Strength gains moderate. Overall feeling-improved.
FOREARMS: Strength increase decent. Size, very small increase. Vascularity increased.
My general feeling is one of accomplishment, with the only regret being my diet got a little sloppier than I like. I forced myself not to worry about it because I wanted to make sure there was more than enough nutrients available for the quad gains especially. My strategy worked, got great gains overall, specifically quad/hams. Shoulders feel much better. But yeah, I am kind of pissed about being “fatter” now, and don’t really like what I’m seeing in the mirror,(love handles, assymetry chest, smooth in general), lol, but I know I can dial in again after some recovery as far as leaning out goes. I’ll try to get some pictures going soon here for Schwarz at least. And took some yesterday, but need to do it outside for certain reasons, and the sun just wasn’t there yesterday.
So, I'm itching to lean out, but will keep myself from fucking up the gains by dieting too extreme here during recovery. I'll just cut the carbs down a little bit, and overall calories a small bit too.
I also started fasted morning cardio at 30 minutes a pop for at least 3 days a week. I’m only cutting them down because I was obviously eating more than enough to keep getting gains, and I’m a little pissed at not being more stringent about it.
FINAL MARKS:
STRENGTH: A
SIZE: B (QUADS-A)
BLOAT: C
FLEXIBILITY: B
FUN FACTOR: A
ToneBone
Morning,
Fasted morning weight as of today is 208lbs. Down about a pound since Friday. Nice, nips feeling much better, not as hard. Lucky am I with that shit. Went for a nice fasted cardio ride again on the mtnbike. Sweet, it’s fun when you have a nice ride like that. Kind of like a hot car.
Anywho, starting my routine I came up with today. Will tell you all later once I see the weekend post lag is over here.
ToneBone
What's up?
I did a nice 30 min bike ride, and got the delt circuit and abs out of the way when I got back this morning. So, that’s nice. Interesting day today should be with legs and all. Oh, and I will be posting my design at my wkout for the next couple weeks or more until Schwarz decides to plunk down the latest and greatest Schwarz creation for me.
Now what I did was keep the money exercises from before, and sort of reduced the volume a little bit for this period of recovery and evaluation of where strength etc is at. I say "sort of" when talking about volume, because I did drop some sets, and switched out a couple accesory exercises, but seperated chest and tri's from back and bi's, so one could almost say I added volume, but it's not quite that cut and dry as you can see.
I want to get the chest back in top order, as I mentioned it atrophied to being more assymetrical now again, and I like it when they’re even as you could imagine. This happens anytime I gain weight/fat, or stop working out, the left pec always for some reason seems to just attract/collect fat more than the right pec does. It’s rather annoying, but does always even out once I get going again with training chest, and keeping carbs out of the diet better, ie starchy carbs.
Well, anyway here’s the new routine I made for this 2 weeks to a month time period here.
Mon/Wed/Fri: DELT CIRCUIT: 4X15, (2wm up/2 heavy)
Monday: LEGS/ABS
DYNAMIC AND OTHER WARM UPS:
BOX SQUATS: 4X6
LEG EXTENSIONS: 3X10
RDL’S: 3X10
CALVES: 2X15, 1X50
SUPERSETTED CIRCUIT:
CRUNCHES: 3X15-20
BROOMSTICK TWISTS: 3X20
DB SIDE BENDS: 3X15
Tuesday: BACK/TRAP/BICEP
PULL UPS: PRONE GRIP: 3X7
SHRUGS: 3X15
FACE PULLS: 3X20
BB CURLS: 3X10
SINGLE ARM LATERAL RAISE: 5X20
Wednesday: CHEST/TRICEP
DEEP ASS DIPS: 3X8
DB FLAT BENCH: 3X10
MILITARY PRESS: 2X15
LYING TRICEP EXTENSIONS: 3X10
REVERSE WRIST CURLS: 3X15
BB WRIST CURLS BEHIND BACK: 3X15
Thursday: LEGS/ABS
SPLIT SQUATS: 3X10 each leg.
LEG CURLS: 3X10
CALVES: 2X15, 1X50
DRAGON FLAGS: 3X10
STANDING CABLE CRUNCH: 3X10
Friday: BACK/DELT/BICEP
BB ROWS: SUPINE GRIP: 3X7
DB REAR LATERAL RAISE: 2X20
PREACHER CURLS: 3X10
CONCENTRATION CURLS: 3X10
SINGLE ARM BAND ROWS: 5X20
Saturday: CHEST/DELT/TRICEP
FLAT DB BENCH: 3X10
FLYS: 3X12
DB MILITARY PRESS: 2X15
INCLINE OR DECLINE DB TRI EXTENSIONS: 3X10
REVERSE WRIST CURLS: 3X15
BB BEHIND BACK WRIST CURLS: 3X15
So there it is. I have added an extra exercise for chest on the chest days, and also a front delt exercise,(military press/bb, and db), on that day too, but at higher rep lighter weight to keep from overdoing it as they are still not quite 100%, so proceeding along here with a little caution. Anyway, that's it.
Post todays wkout on legs later. The delt circuit went fine. Used and 8, a 10, then the 15's for the DB CUBAN ROTATIONS, so haven't lost any strength there yet. Felt slightly more lactic acid if that makes any sense than when I was "on".
peace,
ToneBone
I don’t think you’re worrying too much TB, you know your own body best. My only suggestion would be maybe to try some aromasin for your AI. I’ve been using 6.25mg of exemestane ED for my current cycle and I haven’t had any problems with gyno or bloating whatsoever.
This was a really good log TB, I enjoyed it, and I’m glad you did too from the sounds of it. I was hoping it would go well after your previous experience, you worked hard and earned that muscle.
And put some pictures up. Your arm measurements are huge dude! They’re almost the same size as mine and I’m 240, you must be massive!
Jelly
[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
I don’t think you’re worrying too much TB, you know your own body best. My only suggestion would be maybe to try some aromasin for your AI. I’ve been using 6.25mg of exemestane ED for my current cycle and I haven’t had any problems with gyno or bloating whatsoever.
This was a really good log TB, I enjoyed it, and I’m glad you did too from the sounds of it. I was hoping it would go well after your previous experience, you worked hard and earned that muscle.
And put some pictures up. Your arm measurements are huge dude! They’re almost the same size as mine and I’m 240, you must be massive!
Jelly[/quote]
Thanks Jelly,
That’s interesting you have gone with the Asin route over the adex. Most guys here seem to go with adex for different reasons. Have you used adex in the past and made the switch, or did you just start off going with asin instead?
Looks like it's working great for you though eh? Thanks for the compliments and I'm glad you enjoyed the thread. I'm starting again today with my new wkout which should be up here soon, as I already posted it.
Pictures are coming man. I will say this, I took some trial pics, and they didn’t work out due to light etc, but I was kind of dissapointed when I looked at my physique. Even though I knew I was mainly gearing for my quads and back, I don’t like seeing my love handles expand, and the chest going assymetrical on me, lol…but again, I KNEW this would be the case, and just had to omit chest work for the past couple months, still, you know how it is when you look in the mirror or a picture of yourself.
Listen those arm measurements are flexed now, you realize that right? Ha, my triceps probably account for most of that. They are impressive and the bicep is just now seperating and looking like a diminuitive peak on it's own...So really, thank you but I look pretty much like a regular Joe, in some aspects, and again, I'm kind of dissapointed in the way I look right now. Don't get me wrong though, I know I just have to peel away the fat and leave the gains behind now. I will take my time and not let my bruised ego get in the way of doing it slowly and right. Ha, haaa.
So again, thanks but I'm sure not Massive like you and a lot of these other guys. I guess I keep forgetting I was mainly rehabbing and hitting leg development, and after I had been in great upper body shape before the delts went out, I keep thinking things should look better up top. No big, I will post the pics up too just need some more time to get it right.
see ya Jelly!
ToneBone
Ok, shit I posted earlier, and will try not to repeat anything, but the posts are coming late and not sure if it got through. Whatever.
Not bad, third day off everything.
DELT CIRCUIT THIS MORNING:
LEGS:
BOX SQUATS: 4X6
LT: (4 weeks ago for last 4x6 sets/reps)
LT: 185/6, 205/6, 225/6, 245/6.
TT: 185/6, 225/6, 255/6, 265/6.
Not too shabby, probably still have some minimal circulating exogenous test eh? Otherwise it’s looking good so far!!
STEP UPS: REPLACED WITH LEG EXTENSIONS FOR NOW:
LEG EXTENSIONS: 3X10
140/10, 175/10, 185/10. Nice 1 sec. hold on top, no lockout
RDL’S: 3X10
LT: (LAST TIME PRIOR TO DELOAD, 2 WEEKS AGO)
LT: 135/10, 185/10, 225/8.
TT: 185/10, 225/10, 225/10.
Up nicely lower back feeling good.
CALVES: 2X15, 1X50
LT: 185/15, 205/15, 115/50. 2 Pauses after 30/40 reps.
TT: 185/15, 205/15, 115/50. 3 Pauses after 30/38/46.
stretched out nicely.
Left quad was/has been really sore right in the vastus medialis, dc stretching it hurt like a bitch. I massaged it with some choppin though afterwards and it feels better.
I do have the certified massage therapy under the belt guys. Comes in handy sometimes, lol…
Well, happy with this first raw workout. I feel I did pretty well, and could have gone a little heavier around the wkout, but am determining how things feel and all, and trying not to get injured. Got in a nice wkout, and feel great though!!
Nolvadex and Tribuloid yipeee!
Ha, haaaa…Carbs are down a bit guys, and don’t hold your breath, but I should be slimming down while keeping my muscle here. Hope you all have a great day, gotta study now.
ToneBone
Ok guys,
I’ve got a significant difference in my physique since Friday last that I’ve really noticed now.
I had incorrectly stated that I wasn’t experiencing any bloat within reason…This was not accurate and I apologize. Being a noob I didn’t analyze this good enough. And when you think about it, after having some estro related nip hardness, I should have rethought the bloat, as they are similar byproducts as we know of AAS like test.
At any rate here’s the skinny;
As of Friday I believe the final weight was 209.5lbs.
This mornings fasted weight is 202lbs.
Now I have been dropping a few cals/carbs, but this is obviously due to some amount of bloating that was going on, and apparently I had just gotten used to seeing myself bloated, I guess. So, while it wasn’t total “moon face”, in retrospect now I see that there was indeed some fair amount of the bloat. Kind of happier now, as I was surprised I looked so “fat”, but looks like a good portion of the “fat” was water retention. So I may have to figure out a better dose/method of estro control, whether it’s another AI, or higher dose. I don’t want to use too high of a dose though, so I’ll be thinking on this one for a while.
Just wanted to set the record straight fellas!
be back later,
ToneBone
Nice showing today, 4 days post. I actually turned the grip on the pull ups back to prone,(harder), and still managed to pick up an extra rep or two! Great, of course I did drop a bit of resistance going from 209 to 202, ha,haaaa!! Not bad though, I rather like that still..
Anyways, overall general feeling is more aches and pains right now, “age” signs sort of…lol. Stiff lower back, not pain, just somewhat stiff. Seemed like I just didn’t want to “take off” today in the workout, weird, just slow getting motivated, but still was doing good??
Also guys, you may notice some changes in the workout, I redesigned on top of Schwarz’s previous template, and although I am supposed to drop a little volume, I did drop in some ways, but then I added in some extras on back, and chest, whilst splitting bi’s and tri’s between the two different days to accomodate the increased exercises overall.
So now instead of doing only forearms Wed/Sat, I am doing chest/delt/tri’s that day, while back on Tues/Thurs, it’s back/trap/bi’s. So, I do feel it should be ok during recovery, cause the extra stuff is on little used muscles, and some others I thought needed extra attention,ie: back width/thickness, biceps peak, chest redevelopment. So, without further ado gentlemen;
Here's the numbers.
Now with having deloaded last week and all, I will put the most recent/relevant identical workout for comparison with todays, whether that is two weeks back or 3 or whatever. Some exercises got switched up from BB to DB etc.
PULL UPS: PRONE GRIP. 3X7
LT:(SUPINE/EASY), BW/10, BW/8, BW/7, BW/5.
TT:(PRONE/ARGH), BW/9, BW/7, BW/7.
Pretty happy.
WIDE LAT PULLDOWNS TO FRONT: 3X10 (LIGHT-MODERATE WT.)
90/10, 110/12, 130/10. Good holds on contraction. Just reintroducing this to the lats again after a long layoff from pulldowns, trying to get width going here. Taking it easy for a couple workouts with the weight.
BB SHRUGS: 3X15
LT: 185/15, 205/15, 205/20.
TT: 185/15, 205/15, 225/15.
And this LT was in week 2, when feeling very strong.
Again, pretty happy here too.
FACE PULLS: 3X20 BAND.
SAME 3X20, A bit stronger here too with the band choke distance.
BB CURLS: 3X10
LT: 80/8-9, 85/7, 85/5-65/10.
TT: 85/10, 90/7, 90/7.
Pretty happy here again, at my strongest during the cycle I hit 80/10, 90/10, 90/8, this was about 3 weeks ago I believe, so not bad holding onto gains here, went down a week, then deloaded last week. Cool.
CONCENTRATION CURLS: 3X10
25/10, 30/10, 35/8.
EZ CURL BAR(20LBS) 1X50.
38, QUIT. FRIED LIKE MAMA’S CHICKEN. 
So there we are, I am feeling pretty good now, I actually am pretty happy with a lot of stuff so far, though it's still early into pct. Hope you are still getting something out of the log guys.
ToneBone :)
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Thanks Jelly,
That’s interesting you have gone with the Asin route over the adex. Most guys here seem to go with adex for different reasons. Have you used adex in the past and made the switch, or did you just start off going with asin instead?
[/quote]
I used arimidex for my first cycle and it worked great, but I wanted to try aromasin on this second cycle just to experiment and find out what works/doesn’t work for me. I’d read that aromasin is more suppressive of estrogen, and since I was adding tren-acetate to my test-enanthate base I figured it might be more helpful. So far I can’t complain, it’s working with no side-effects that I’ve noticed.
Jelly
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
38, QUIT. FRIED LIKE MAMA’S CHICKEN.
So there we are, I am feeling pretty good now, I actually am pretty happy with a lot of stuff so far, though it's still early into pct. Hope you are still getting something out of the log guys.
ToneBone :)[/quote]
Like a Fried chicken, i love it lol Hell ya im still here reading everyday i actually think about your numbers and log between sets when im doin the same lifts, sort-of comparing in my head per say.
You definitely have a nack for logging and recording. Much more gifted with the art of words than I. Looks like your holding up your numbers pretty well, especially pull-ups ans shit. nice job bro, glad to hear it.
[quote]Game_over wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
38, QUIT. FRIED LIKE MAMA’S CHICKEN.
So there we are, I am feeling pretty good now, I actually am pretty happy with a lot of stuff so far, though it's still early into pct. Hope you are still getting something out of the log guys.
ToneBone :)
Like a Fried chicken, i love it lol Hell ya im still here reading everyday i actually think about your numbers and log between sets when im doin the same lifts, sort-of comparing in my head per say.
You definitely have a nack for logging and recording. Much more gifted with the art of words than I. Looks like your holding up your numbers pretty well, especially pull-ups ans shit. nice job bro, glad to hear it.[/quote]
Thanks Mr. Over,
It can be pretty fun, and yeah I’m really glad the pull ups have worked out like they have for me. I want to really put all the experience and knowledge with everything to work this year and make an impressive physique with really low bodyfat, at least 10% or break under into single digits, even if it’s only by 1%!!!
Again, to everyone, I'm sorry, in my noobness, I didn't notice the bloating and/or, report it very accurately, now that I realize where I should have noticed more of the bloat symptoms/looks. Oh well, at least I made a note of it now for you guys..
Nice morning fasted cardio ride again for about 38 minutes. That's going good. Mon/Wed/Fri for that so far.
Well I’ll go check the morning fasted weight for you gentlemen…hang on…ok looks like 203.5 lbs. this morning. That might be off a couple pounds the first time from dialing in the scale. It had to be moved the equivalent of a pound or so, so the weight loss was more accurate to be about from 209 to 204 in terms of pounds, anyway, about a good 5 or 6 lbs of water retention weight from Friday.
later,
ToneBone
The results just keep coming. Okay, so what is your longterm goal? Even if long term is just this year.
Do you want to get any bigger? Or just cut down and work on proportion? Maybe have some strength goals in mind?
Enquiring minds want to know…
[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
The results just keep coming. Okay, so what is your longterm goal? Even if long term is just this year.
Do you want to get any bigger? Or just cut down and work on proportion? Maybe have some strength goals in mind?
Enquiring minds want to know…[/quote]
Hey ZZ Satriani, what's up mang?
Well bubba, actually yes it’s cut em up time for this ol dog, and I’m gettin the gears turning trying to figure things out. Almost there…The goal longterm is to sit comfortably in the very low double digit BodyFat%, or scrape along at 9% or so while packing a nice, symmetrical, muscular package, complete with seperation in a “junior” kind of way, lol. Abs included for free.
Nice workout today man, I gotta say, things are rolling along nicely. I can feel my left delt a little but am purposely testing the waters to see if some direct strength training to the front delts is going to help here. I've thrown in a 3x15 set of light Military in the mix now, BB on Wed, and DB on Sat after chest. I still gotta put the whole routine up here..Well, that's about it, let me put up todays wkout for the folks.
ToneBone
Todays workout.
DELT CIRCUIT: Scaled back to 3x15, one light, heavier, heaviest. Volume drop.
DEEP DIPS: 3X7
LT: BW/10, +35/10, +40/8.
TT: +30/10, +40/8, +40/8, +50/5.
NICE YEAH? Still moving up slowly.
DB BENCH: 3X10
LT: 65/10, 65/10, 65/10.
TT: 65/11, 65/12, 65/12.
Great ROM, feeling better. Aware of delt, but good.
MILITARY PRESS BB: 3X15
BAR-45/15, 45/15, 45/15.
Very conservative and light. Haven’t done these in such a long time, and want to really take it careful before ramping up here. So week by week as feels good with weight. DB’s on Saturdays.
TRICEP EXTESIONS(SKULL CRUSHERS): 3X10
SUCH A GREAT EXERCISE WHEN DONE STRICT.
LT: PRIOR TO DELOAD FULLY ON GEAR.
LT: 80/12, 110/9, 110/7-100/10. (Stripped set)
TT: 90/10, 110/10,110/8.
Fucking solid and strict.
Terrible mouth on me I know, ha, haaaaa.
ROPE PRESSDOWN: 50 REP Blood pump.
20lbs/37. Wahhhhh, I’ll get 50 next week maybe, ha, burnt good from the dips/bench/extensions…
Oh and blowing off forearms today. Gotta get ready for school, and thought some more trimming from the volume would be good. I may just do them once a week, or difft day like thurs, and another. I'll figure it out.
So, pretty happy with things. I kind of "feel" like the test is definitely gone, but still feel ok, and the strength is holding pretty good so far, so I'm good. Leaning out by the day too with the slightly better diet in check, and doing that morning fasted cardio 3xweek.
ToneBone