Two Week Cycle and Workout

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Hey Tonebone,

just wanted to jump in and say I’ve been enjoying the thread. Sorry it’s taken me so long to post. There are too many other guys here that are quicker on the draw than I am, and I’m left with nothing to say.

Great progress, bro, you are an inspiration!
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        Nice, thanks Cortes.

You sure did a nice job on yours. It was a good read all the way through. I appreciate the comments, thanks.

On a side note; there has been some estro activity developing on the right nip. Akin to what world just experienced I would imagine. I’m experiencing the slight pain that is indicative of the gland activity coming round the bend, so to speak. Much less concerned now that I know how this works from last time, ha, haaa…Seriously, good to have gone through the motions already. Anyway, I’m on a much higher adex dose though than world, apparently we have been right and I appear to be extra estro sensitive. I increased the shot dosages starting last Friday and with these short esters, the shit had an effect in just days.

So, that gets back to square one, I’m currently at .5mg/day, and will up it to .75mg/day and run that through the end of the week and then after Fridays last shot, start an adex taper, adding in Nolva during the taper in it’s own protocol taper to finish off pct.

          Anywho, just letting you all in on this latest development. No worries, and not having any sides ie: joint dryness, skin, etc, from the higher than average adex dose.

          Be back later after todays workout,

                   ToneBone
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      So, after talking to Schwarz, and thinking over the options for the estro control, I have decided to go with a different idea.

Options were:

  1. run the adex, increased dosage. Follow with Nolva.

  2. Drop some Nolva until sides subside.

  3. Run both as the nolva will take care of immediate estro trouble, while the adex wouldn’t do much for already circulating estro.

            So, this morning I took a .75mg shot of adex, and about a half hour later I had a good headache which is pushing my wkout back here a bit until it clears a little. So, I'm inclined to now go with option 3. I think this would allow for the lighter adex dose, which is somewhat high compared to most already at .5mg/day.

I’m going to drop 40mg Nolva right now, and run it either from here out through pct, or if symptoms subside immediately, then I’ll stop and start again on Saturday after cycle is completed. Probably just run it through, since we’re talking about a few days here.

            So, for the remaining "cursed" vial, what do  you guys think, heat in oven, or toss it in the micro for 20-30 seconds for a decontamination pre-strike??

                   best,

                  ToneBone
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I’d go ahead and use the oven for about 10 minutes. 225 degrees F should do it.

Just make damn sure you vent it with a needle and take it out with a big oven glove on your hand… I forgot to do that one time and fucking dropped the vial… which broke on my tile floor…

My two cents anyway.

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[quote]World1187 wrote:
I’d go ahead and use the oven for about 10 minutes. 225 degrees F should do it.

Just make damn sure you vent it with a needle and take it out with a big oven glove on your hand… I forgot to do that one time and fucking dropped the vial… which broke on my tile floor…

My two cents anyway.[/quote]

            Thanks, when you say vent it, are we talking about removing the plunger and just letting the "shell" stick in and sit there hanging out of the rubber stop?

               I assume this is correct.
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Stick the needle through the stopper, detached from the syringe.

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And keep the needle out of the liquid.

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[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
Stick the needle through the stopper, detached from the syringe.[/quote]

         Guess that should have been pretty obvious!

Ha, haa. Thanks buddy.

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      Well how the gosh darn heck in tarnation are you strappin mofo'kn weightliftin bastards???

           Howdy guys!

What a wonderful day we have here in deload land!!

So, as you read, the increase in test volume from the bigger shots started last Friday, have brought on the hard/slightly painful/nip syndrome. But that’s ok, it’s not bad, it’s a good signal w/out having a blood test, as to what’s goin on, and I’m correctively attacking the evil creature with a healthy dose of Nolva in accordance with the Adex from this morning. Wonderful.

       Besides that distraction, feel great.

Here’s todays wkout guys, only Wed-Sat left to log. I’ll give it a rest after that, and probably wait a couple/3 weeks to report back in with how the gains were maintained or lost and whatnot. Sound good?

2 Min Delt Warmup Complex: 1x5lb/1x8lb.

PULL UPS: 1X7 @ 85%RM.
-70LBS/10, -40/7, -20/8.

Figured on bodyweight,(207), + a dime,(10lbs.), for a 7RM. I got 8 at bodyweight last week. So I know I could have got 7 w/a dime today. Anyway it calculated out to do a 7RM at 230lbs of bw. Therefore the added 20lbs.

DEEP ASS DIPS TO BANGCOK: 1X7 @ 85%RM
-40/10, -20/7, BW/7.
Figured a 45 strapped and I’d get 7, so calculated out to 214lbs. for 85%, which was me and a dime, I went with bw instead, See? I mean a dime taken away or added assistance, not added to the belt. You guys got that right? Of course.

BB SHRUGS: 1X15 @ 85%RM.
95/15, 135/15, 175/15.
85% OF 205.

FACE PULLS: 3X20.
GREY BAND:
Singled/Doubled/Doubled, 20/20/20.

BB CURLS: 2X15
45/15, 75/14, 75/10-65/15.
Fuck, I get so much lactic acid burn on curls for some reason beyond 12 reps it’s crazy. I got more in the tank, but the bi’s just start screamin with acid!! sucks.

LYING TRI EXTENSIONS: 2X15
40/20, 60/20, 90/15, 90/14.
Nice job, very strict as usual, purposely held a good 1 sec on top.

SINGLE ARM DB LATERAL RAISE LEANING: 5X20
5/20, 8/20, 8/20, 8/20, 8/20.
Yeah, I finally went up in weight, ha,haaa!!
Damn sure felt it too.

             So, I also started my fasted morning cardio this morning too guys. That and tightening up on the diet nicely.

         Take care and hope all is well!

                  ToneBone
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[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
Stick the needle through the stopper, detached from the syringe.[/quote]

If you stick it in the microwave for 30 seconds you don’t vent it, right? Because the needle would cause a fire.

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I’m unsure with the microwave… so I wouldn’t take a chance.

I think the oven is the best way to go Tone. Like I said, just make damn sure you wear an oven mitt or something.

Also:

This is your deload week, correct?

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[quote]World1187 wrote:
I’m unsure with the microwave… so I wouldn’t take a chance.

I think the oven is the best way to go Tone. Like I said, just make damn sure you wear an oven mitt or something.

Also:

This is your deload week, correct?[/quote]

       Yep it sure is.

                   TBN
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     Hey guys,

How we doin this morning? Good I hope.

Well I’ll tell ya, the recent quad soreness on the right, has led me to the conclusion, that indeed, for me, at least with this mix, .5-.7 is fairly well tolerated in quads, but once you step into the range of 1.25ml, and up, the pain/pressure becomes closer to interrupting of the training schedule which is not good imo.

So, I’m going to heat this other vial up, and then try to go with a larger dose into the left glute, which I haven’t tried yet, due to the twisted yoga pose I’ll need to pull off to get it done, ha…Kidding, but you get the picture.

              I'll give it a shot in a while and let you know, looks like a decent size one too, 1.25-2ml even maybe.

                  ToneBone
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[quote]InTheZone wrote:

     Hey guys,

How we doin this morning? Good I hope.

Well I’ll tell ya, the recent quad soreness on the right, has led me to the conclusion, that indeed, for me, at least with this mix, .5-.7 is fairly well tolerated in quads, but once you step into the range of 1.25ml, and up, the pain/pressure becomes closer to interrupting of the training schedule which is not good imo.

So, I’m going to heat this other vial up, and then try to go with a larger dose into the left glute, which I haven’t tried yet, due to the twisted yoga pose I’ll need to pull off to get it done, ha…Kidding, but you get the picture.

              I'll give it a shot in a while and let you know, looks like a decent size one too, 1.25-2ml even maybe.

                  ToneBone[/quote]

EDIT:
Ok, so I forgot about noticing a small lump in the left glute a month or so ago. It’s nothing, probably a fatty deposit, according to the doc, but at any rate, it was right in the sweet spot I wanted to injec in, so being somewhat concerned,(probably unecessarily), so I said fuck it, and opted for the ol tried and true quad again. After all, it’s the last frickin quad shot, and nothings as bad as what happened the first time I did this cycle!!!

      So, about 1.15ml went in nice and smooth. This after heating up said vial for 10 minutes at 225 in the oven earlier. Thank you gentlemen for the tips.

       So there ya go. It's looking like the last shot Friday should be a real humdinger. I'm guessing at least 2ml, maybe more. Thoughts on this? Go for it, or spread it to Friday/Saturday difft sites? It will probably just end up being around 2ml, so I'll just get it done then, weekends aren't "user friendly" anyway when it comes to shots...too much going on..

        Well anyway, aside from the slight nip discomfort, which is subsiding already, thank you very much, this has really been a sweet one for me. I hope the log was informative, and helpful to someone amongst you guys. I certainly couldn't have done it without the help of all of you guys, and I thank each of you sincerely for your help.

            Easy forearm wkout today with the delt circuit, so I will be back after that. 

                ToneBone
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      Hey guys,

No need to post numbers on the workout. Basicly just did the delt circuit, slightly less effort to mimick the deload principles, then went on and did the same forearm wkout as last week, but went 85%RM on all exercises, working up to just the one set at that weight. Pretty basic, and quick, and easy. I wouldn’t allow for any pushing of extre weight or anything. And to tell you the truth, even though I’m putting in more volume of “Dr. Feelgood”, I really feel pretty “worn down” and sore…ha, haaaa…kind of just slightly beat up feeling.

        Go figure, anyway, can't argue with the cycle. It went great, learned my test ceiling for tolerance of gyno sides, and corrected it after the fact. Everything is good, and just looking forward to cutting a little here in preperation for a "feel good summer" at a ripe old age here. Lol.

No, actually I do want to see how far I’ve come, and can go this summer, with cutting, and retaining quality muscle. I would like to see how I look at 190 again, and possibly 185 if I could do it w/out losing too much muscle. I think I can, especially through another cycle to help.

                  take care guys,

                   ToneBone
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Oh btw, Tone… I did an experiment for you today…

You’re not going to want to use the microwave as a means of sterilizing… apparently my vial’s top was not made entirely of aluminum-- in other words, there was veritable display of lightning in my microwave today. They’re typically all aluminum which wouldn’t cause a problem, but you can apparently never be too careful…

However, I did throw a vial in the oven vented with a 25 gauge needle. Used some tongs to pull it out, removed the needle, and dropped it in a cool glass of water to bring it back to a temperature which I could touch. I heated that SOB up for 30 minutes at 225 degrees and the rubber didn’t melt. There was only olive oil in the vial anyway… just an experiment. Digressing… you should be good to go with 10 minutes at 225 F to sterilize that vial of yours…

Just make damn sure you vent it.

World

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I would suggest letting it cool at room temperature, or at least using warm water. Cooling the glass vial too quickly could result in it breaking. It shouldn’t happen, but you can never be too sure about the type of glass used by some suppliers.

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[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
I would suggest letting it cool at room temperature, or at least using warm water. Cooling the glass vial too quickly could result in it breaking. It shouldn’t happen, but you can never be too sure about the type of glass used by some suppliers.[/quote]

         Hey guys,

thanks for the extra tips. I already did it, as my other ran out last Monday. I went with heating in the oven for 10 minutes at 225. Then just pulled it out, and let it cool on it’s own for about another 10 minutes, pulled needle out, and was good to go. Believe it or not, there seems to be even less pain from this batch now!??

    As I gave the left quad a good plug over 1ml, about 1.2, and there's absolutely only a tiny bit of pain/pressure there. 

          Well, I'm off to straddle up the Cannondale and go for a fasted cardio ride here. Brrr. Still a bit chilly this early!

                  see ya.

EDIT: Weight as of this morning is 208 lbs. fasted.
Nice as I’ve started slowly cutting back on the intake too, and still gained another lb.

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     So, next to last day of deload week here.

Boy I was feeling tired sort of, took a while to get up for the workout I gotta admit. Maybe it’s the high end dose of adex together with the nolva, or maybe not. I’m at .75mg Adex, and 40mg Nolv.

         Good workout. Nothing exciting, here are the numbers for the sake of the log I guess.

LEGS/ABS

LEGS:

SPLIT SQUATS: 1X5 @ 85%RM.
BW/10, 20EA/7, 35/5, 42.5/5.

LEG CURLS: 1X10 @ 85%RM.
50/12, 75/10, 135/10, 135/10.
Ooops, snuck in an extra set!

STANDING CALVES: 2X15, 1X50.
LT: 95/15, 135/15, 185/15, 205/15, 95/50. 2 pauses.
TT: 95/15, 135/15, 185/15, 205/15, 115/50. SAME PAUSES.

EXTRA’S: :slight_smile:

LEG EXTENSIONS: AWW SHUCKS…
50/15, 90/12, 135/12, 135/12. Good 2 sec holds.
No biggie, just felt like hittin these since I have such a nice machine sitting here.

STANDING CABLE CRUNCH: 2X10
50/10, 50/12 ea. leg forward.

         Like I said, nothing exciting guys, just some deloading going on. Nice to take it easy for a week for sure.

               That's about it for the workout. As I said last post, weight is up to 208lbs. morning fasted.

I put some fat on this cycle, but I planned on it anyway for the extra nutrients to be there for the quad gains as well as the rest of the body parts too. I want to get down to 190, or even 185, and I want to see some rectus abdominis, not just my serratus anterior, which look good but aren’t near as impressive as a nice 6’er up front for summer!!

          I take it you left out the dragon flags for deloading Schwarz??

               No arguments here, ha, haa..

                have a nice one gang,

                    ToneBone
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      Well guys,

That was the last shot this morning, at about 1.8-9ml worth. The volume certainly makes a difference in the “kick”. Feeling this one, but it’s the glute so no biggie.

So, adex taper for a few days, and continued Nolva at 40mg/day for at least a week to two, and follow with a nolva taper for another week or two. Anyway, feels good to be done, a little apprehensive or curious to see how the gains hold up. So, I’ll be watching all that of course.

     I have really enjoyed this guys. It's still a bit of a "rush" during the injec's, and just the nature of the beast continues to keep me "up" during the whole process, as you could imagine a noob would feel like!! Ha, haaa.

But yeah, certainly came a long, long way with it, and feel much more comfortable and confident doing it.

      Many, many thanks to so many guys on this site. My good friends, and aquaintences also, have all been a ton of help, and I thank you all. I am really happy to have made it without any troubles this time. I did get some nip reaction after upping the dose a week ago, but it's already backing off nicely, and I got a better grip on what my tolerance is dosage wise with test from that, so that worked out perfect as far as I'm concerned. 

          I'll be posting todays wkout, for the heck of it I guess. And will continue to log as I always do, all of my workouts. The difference being that I'll just keep it on the paper log, and afterwards will post up how the gains were kept. Pictures, well I haven't gotten around to it, piss poor excuse, but I am busy as most of us are, and it just hasn't happened yet. I'll try to get something done w/in the next week though. In fact I will try to take some today and/or the next few days, so they will at least be on the memory card, then I'll get it onto the computer later when my better half can help do that for me. Lame I know, ha. 

            I will keep this log alive for a few more days as the initial post cycle days go by, and should have my next workout soon, and will post that up once, just in case any of you are interested in that. And that's about it I guess. So let's see how the rest of the gang currently "on" does with their logs, and I'll be seeing ya later amigos!!

A special, SPECIAL, thank you to the following incredible individuals;

Schwarzenegger:

        Top tier on the food chain where training/fitness/nutrition, and scientific questions arise.

And a great friend who really cares about people.

Contrl:

One of, if not the, funniest sombitch on the planet!
Another excellent sounding board on all the above mentioned topics, as well as someone who can always give a guy a mental lift when you most need it. Integrity.

Bushy:

Well what can you say about this guy?
Fantastic individual who continues to share pinpoint specifics on a wide variety of topics. An incredible benefit to the site as a whole.

   These are the best friends I have here, and each one has been a true friend to me in many different situations. Some dire, some lighthearted. Everyone has their "best" friends. These are mine. 

      Of course there are a ton of great guys besides the 3 I single out here, who have motivated and helped me out, and I thank all of you also. But there are certain people who deserve more than a "golf clap"...lol.

             Anywho, carry on brethren.

                     :)
                  ToneBone
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Okay, The last of the mohicans…Had a little fun today, threw in some extra chest work, pretty much felt stiff/tired/burnt in general though.

DELT CIRCUIT: Aaahhhh yes, little less intense today.

SUPERSETTED OF COURSE;

DB CUBAN ROTATIONS: 3X15, INSTEAD OF 4X15.
5/10/15 lb DB’S. (15 each).

BAND EXTERNAL ROTATION: 3X15
GREY THERABAND. (SINGLED)

BAND PULL APARTS/MONSTER MINI’S: 3X15

BAND DISLOCATES/MONSTER MINI’S: 3X15

BAND PRESS/MONSTER MINI’S: 3X15

         Whew, that's still a tough sonbitch when supered from each ex to the next, I'll tell ya. It's nice to ease off the intensity a tad for this wkout! Always feels great later though. :)

PR0NE BB ROWS: 1X7 @ 85%
95/10, 135/7, 155/7. Holding ea. contraction hard today.

FLAT BB BENCH: 1X7
95/15+, 135/10, 185/7. Been a long ass time, delts felt like they should have, not doing these in months, but survived it fine…lol. In other words, delts felt rather unused to the force applied to them, but no tweakage.

FLAT DB BENCH: 1X7
35/7,65/7,65/7.

DB FLAT FLYS: 2X10
15/15, 20/15, 35/11, 35/10.

DB PREACHER CURLS: 2X15.
20/15, 30/15, 30/15. Tough burn. Nice.

DB KICKBACKS W/CONTRACTION HOLD: 2X15. 2 sec hold.
15/15, 20/15, 25/15, 25/15. Tough with the killer holds.

REAR LATERAL RAISES: 2X20
5/20, 10/20, 15/20.

SINGLE ARM CABLE ROW? 5X20.
BAND: 5X20. MONSTER MINI

           Yep, just another deload gents. I hope you aren't too bored there...ha, haaaa..Anyway, it felt nice though really, to be able to chill sort of. I worked my tail off fairly well these last two months of workouts. And it's time for some recovery now. 

    On a side note, I got an otc tribulus/LH stimulating product, tribuloid, and will be adding that to the nolva protocol for help with recovery. It should be fairly easy, the cycle was relatively short, and not too high of a dose etc. So, I'm feeling confident I'll fair well with gains kept etc. I am going to cut back just a little on the carbs/calories, and try to keep as much muscle as I can while  readjusting.

   But then that's a given now isn't it?

Anyhow, I will be enjoying the site from a spectator perspective for a while now guys, thanks again for everything. Good luck with all of your training gents!!

                  ToneBone