[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
So PRCal do you reject that any abuses were taking place at Guantanamo?
When I consider the way that terrorist victims have died, (ie jumping out their death from a quarter mile tall building on 9/11 to avoid burning to death, or being trapped under the wreckage of a burning nightclub in Bali, or having their head hacked off on video)
Or the awful ways that people will die if nuclear, chemical or biological weapons get used on us, I find it hard to have much sympathy for people in Guantanamo.
They are certainly getting way better treatment than their victims have. Besides calling a lot of that harsh treatment torture is a bit of an exaggeration.
So you still persist with the view that everyone in Guantanamo is guilty at least by association? [/quote]
No. Actually I am concerned that there may be people there who don’t deserve to be.
On the other hand there are people in there who very much deserve to be there. I think those ones are lucky they are still alive. If they have useful information we can extract I am all for getting it out of them.
I think we can probably get a lot out of them through a sophisticated use of methods that would not be considered torture. But for those whose life could be considered forfeit anyways, I am not going to feel bad if they get mistreated in order to save some lives.
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Also your view of appropriate punishment seems to be very OT which given that you are Christian and feel that only the NT is relevent to you is surprising to say the least… [/quote]
Now you are making assumptions. I have stated neither religious affiliation nor a lack thereof. I have my own views on religion and spiritual matters. My family is C of E, I was Christened as a baby and I try to enjoy Christmas/Chanukah, but that is about it. I am not a religious person.
Besides, Jesus was a mensch. But as it says in the ten commandments: 1 ?I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
Your views on punishment on the other hand are quite British. You think incarceration is solely for the purpose of punishment. The British can’t understand the simple concept that some people in this world really are evil, dangerous, motherfuckers. That there are people who need to be kept in a place where they cannot hurt anyone else.
Just look at this excerpt from the latest bit of insanity from Britain which proves that many British can’t grasp the simple concept of protecting the community from dangerous people. This is the mentality that we are dealing with.
Ripper’s fit to be freed from Broadmoor
YORKSHIRE Ripper Peter Sutcliffe has been classified low risk and recommended for release from Broadmoor, The Sun can reveal.
The top-security hospital?s doctors have told lawyers representing the Ripper ? who murdered 13 women and tried to kill seven others ? that he is no longer dangerous.
But an ex cop on the cases said today he was ?staggered? at the suggestion Sutcliffe may eventually be released.
Retired Detective Chief Superintendent Chris Gregg, who also worked on high-profile cases such as Wearside Jack, said surviving victims would be ?aghast? at the thought.
He said: ?Like many people, I was staggered at the suggestion that Peter Sutcliffe could be considered for release.
"It is an affront to common sense if that does ever happen. He killed 13 people and attempted to kill seven others.
"If that doesn?t warrant serving a whole life behind bars I don?t know what does.?
According to a source close to Sutcliffe, the medics will support his bid to get out of Broadmoor.
According to a source close to Sutcliffe, the medics will support his bid to get out of Broadmoor.
And if Jack Straw?s Ministry of Justice agrees with their verdict, he will be moved to a medium-secure unit.
That means he would skip the high-security step of the mental hospital process and be given much more freedom.
He would then be allowed on to the streets to begin rehabilitation into society.