[quote]analog_kid wrote:
Ho-lee shiat. Why wasn’t that on TV? That was better than every thing I saw(with the exception of Evan’s beard, that thing is just badass).[/quote]
They ran out of time b/c the live fights went long. UFC really wanted to show the fight, and that’s why they had it on for free on their site. Usually the prelim fights are only available On Demand.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
Rampage, Forrest, Wanderlei & Shogun (doubt they would fight), Tito, and Randy I think would be defeated soundly by the Spider.
Once again I have to ask, what the hell are you talking about? Randy hasnt been a lhw in YEARS. If it’s not 2 years since his last lhw fight, it’s OVER a year and a half.
That’s ignoring the fact that he isnt in the ufc right now and has no plans to come back, but that’s fine because you also ignored that with Tito. As far as your logic for Rampage, Wandy or Shogun being beaten “soundly,” I dont even want to hear it.
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Hey Dumb Fuck LHW is a weight division not an association. Did I say UFC, Pride, Affliction, Dreams? Nope didn’t think so. I included anyone who is fighting right now that has, is or could fight at LHW. Make sense yet or you gonna go on trying to clown me?
Ok so you think Wandy and Shogun could beat Silva? Lets hear you logic on it since you don’t want to hear mine. Cause Wandy and Shogun are just pwning the hell out of the LHW division. You one of those people that think Wandy actually was fucking amazing cause he fought cans for 4 years?
As far as Shogun is concerned we need to see how he recoups and adapts to the cage. I’m not holding my breath for it.
Don’t get me wrong Shogun and Wandy are amazing fighters but one is past his prime and the other one is up in the air.
Now you could argue that in Pride rules it would be very different fights. I’d totally agree since Wandy has made his living off of stomping downed opponents. Even then I’d still pull for Silva.
Honestly, what do think Wandy and/or Shogun has over Silva? Silva walks around at 215-220 so I’m hesitant to even give them a size advantage over Silva.
Ohh just skimmed over your post again. I forgot to answer your doubts abotu Silva over Rampage. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Wtf you think Silva can’t deliver knees as good or better than Wandy/Shogun??? Did you miss the Silva v Franklin fight? Granted Rampage has a bigger/harder head but that didn’t help him in Pride.
[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
Rampage, Forrest, Wanderlei & Shogun (doubt they would fight), Tito, and Randy I think would be defeated soundly by the Spider.
Once again I have to ask, what the hell are you talking about? Randy hasnt been a lhw in YEARS. If it’s not 2 years since his last lhw fight, it’s OVER a year and a half.
That’s ignoring the fact that he isnt in the ufc right now and has no plans to come back, but that’s fine because you also ignored that with Tito. As far as your logic for Rampage, Wandy or Shogun being beaten “soundly,” I dont even want to hear it.
Hey Dumb Fuck LHW is a weight division not an association. Did I say UFC, Pride, Affliction, Dreams? Nope didn’t think so. I included anyone who is fighting right now that has, is or could fight at LHW. Make sense yet or you gonna go on trying to clown me?
Ok so you think Wandy and Shogun could beat Silva? Lets hear you logic on it since you don’t want to hear mine. Cause Wandy and Shogun are just pwning the hell out of the LHW division. You one of those people that think Wandy actually was fucking amazing cause he fought cans for 4 years?
As far as Shogun is concerned we need to see how he recoups and adapts to the cage. I’m not holding my breath for it.
Don’t get me wrong Shogun and Wandy are amazing fighters but one is past his prime and the other one is up in the air.
Now you could argue that in Pride rules it would be very different fights. I’d totally agree since Wandy has made his living off of stomping downed opponents. Even then I’d still pull for Silva.
Honestly, what do think Wandy and/or Shogun has over Silva? Silva walks around at 215-220 so I’m hesitant to even give them a size advantage over Silva.
Ohh just skimmed over your post again. I forgot to answer your doubts abotu Silva over Rampage. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Wtf you think Silva can’t deliver knees as good or better than Wandy/Shogun??? Did you miss the Silva v Franklin fight? Granted Rampage has a bigger/harder head but that didn’t help him in Pride.[/quote]
Hahaha, I love it he comes out swinging. Listen you moron, where did I say that LHW was an association? Randy fought HEAVYWEIGHT the last year or so that he was in the ufc. as far as the fact that he’s not in the ufc anymore, and it doesnt appear likely that he ever will be, so tell me: why include a guy who is not a lhw, who is not in the ufc in a list of ufc lhw’s that anderson silva would beat? I dont have to try to clown you, you do a great job of that on your own.
As far as my logic … you didnt say that you thoguht silva would beat them. You said that Silva would, and I quote, “soundly” defeat them. There is very infrequently any rational reason for someone to say that they think a top fighter will be “soundly” defeated. It may very well happen and none of these guys - including anderson - is invulnerable, but to speak about it as if it’s a foregone conclusion is foolish.
And if you seriously think that the Rampage fighting now is the same as the one fighting from a few years ago, get a clue
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
analog_kid wrote:
Ho-lee shiat. Why wasn’t that on TV? That was better than every thing I saw(with the exception of Evan’s beard, that thing is just badass).
Did anyone catch the look on Faber’s face in Afghanistan? He looked stoned.
Also, I saw BJ on camera there too, but I think I saw and heard him in Kendal’s corner too. WTF?
I believe BJ’s brother was helping corner Kendall. Not to embrace a stereotype, but a lot of the Hawaiin’s sound the same if you aren’t used to the accent.[/quote]
I thought it was BJ at first, I think it was Troy Mandaloniz with his head buzzed.
BJ’s brother was there as well.
Told you all Amir would win! Haha Woot
Re: Next season of TUF.
Why are they doing another LHW casting?
I would think they would need more Heavyweights in the UFC.
Not to mention the fact that most of the LHW winners drop down to MW.
If they want to end up with a LHW they should do a HW casting… and let the winner drop down to LHW.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Holy Shit…[/quote]
Dude holy shit is right from a whizzer.
that was beautiful…from the side…
this is similiar how we trained it in judo
from the side… jujigatame from tomoe Nage
thanks for the gif
kmc
[quote]Dirty Tiger wrote:
Re: Next season of TUF.
Why are they doing another LHW casting?
I would think they would need more Heavyweights in the UFC.
Not to mention the fact that most of the LHW winners drop down to MW.
If they want to end up with a LHW they should do a HW casting… and let the winner drop down to LHW.
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Agreed.
I wish they would.
If they do, I’m booking a ticket and am off!
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Hahaha, I love it he comes out swinging. Listen you moron, where did I say that LHW was an association? [/quote]
You assumed I was only talking about current UFC fighters.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Randy fought HEAVYWEIGHT the last year or so that he was in the ufc. as far as the fact that he’s not in the ufc anymore, and it doesnt appear likely that he ever will be, so tell me: why include a guy who is not a lhw, who is not in the ufc in a list of ufc lhw’s that anderson silva would beat? I dont have to try to clown you, you do a great job of that on your own.
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Ok so you fuck up with the whole LHW association deal so you only focus on Randy. Randy is a very talented fighter who could possibly fight Anderson Silva.
Not sure why you can’t wrap your mind around this? You honestly believe that Dana wouldn’t have Randy back in a heartbeat if he resonably could? Dana is all about bank and Randy will always put fans in the seats. It won’t be Tito amount of fans but it will definately draw them in.
Finally, you keep focusing on the fact that Randy fought HW his last few fights. Didn’t he make a pretty good career at HW then LHW then back to HW. Sounds like the guy could fight LHW to me.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
As far as my logic … you didnt say that you thoguht silva would beat them. You said that Silva would, and I quote, “soundly” defeat them.
There is very infrequently any rational reason for someone to say that they think a top fighter will be “soundly” defeated. It may very well happen and none of these guys - including anderson - is invulnerable, but to speak about it as if it’s a foregone conclusion is foolish.
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Wow still don’t inlcude any of your logic. You just didn’t like it that I give major odds to Anderson in all those fights…way to back pedal.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
And if you seriously think that the Rampage fighting now is the same as the one fighting from a few years ago, get a clue[/quote]
Ok he is better but you think he will beat Anderson? No explanation again you’re amazing. Grading your essays in school must of been easy for all of your teachers. Just one giant F.
Seriously, all you had to say was “oh I took it as only current LHW in the UFC”. Or you could of backed up your arguement with more than feeble attacks at me.
If you are just going to keep saying that your right and I’m wrong why don’t you go back to sherdog and hang with all the other Wandy and Rickson nuthuggers. They’ll love to have you back. “I hear Rickson once beat 1000 ninja-shogunate-assassins via armbar.” “OMG no way…really?”
Oh on a positive note it was nice to see the Passive-ggressive Turtle stick its head out a little. Your original pussy-footing around makes you sound like a battered woman trying to fight back at her abusive boyfriend. Go ahead and have your relationship ending fight where you get stabbed to death and they send him off to prison.
[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Hahaha, I love it he comes out swinging. Listen you moron, where did I say that LHW was an association?
You assumed I was only talking about current UFC fighters.
KBCThird wrote:
Randy fought HEAVYWEIGHT the last year or so that he was in the ufc. as far as the fact that he’s not in the ufc anymore, and it doesnt appear likely that he ever will be, so tell me: why include a guy who is not a lhw, who is not in the ufc in a list of ufc lhw’s that anderson silva would beat? I dont have to try to clown you, you do a great job of that on your own.
Ok so you fuck up with the whole LHW association deal so you only focus on Randy. Randy is a very talented fighter who could possibly fight Anderson Silva.
Not sure why you can’t wrap your mind around this? You honestly believe that Dana wouldn’t have Randy back in a heartbeat if he resonably could? Dana is all about bank and Randy will always put fans in the seats. It won’t be Tito amount of fans but it will definately draw them in.
Finally, you keep focusing on the fact that Randy fought HW his last few fights. Didn’t he make a pretty good career at HW then LHW then back to HW. Sounds like the guy could fight LHW to me.
KBCThird wrote:
As far as my logic … you didnt say that you thoguht silva would beat them. You said that Silva would, and I quote, “soundly” defeat them.
There is very infrequently any rational reason for someone to say that they think a top fighter will be “soundly” defeated. It may very well happen and none of these guys - including anderson - is invulnerable, but to speak about it as if it’s a foregone conclusion is foolish.
Wow still don’t inlcude any of your logic. You just didn’t like it that I give major odds to Anderson in all those fights…way to back pedal.
KBCThird wrote:
And if you seriously think that the Rampage fighting now is the same as the one fighting from a few years ago, get a clue
Ok he is better but you think he will beat Anderson? No explanation again you’re amazing. Grading your essays in school must of been easy for all of your teachers. Just one giant F.
Seriously, all you had to say was “oh I took it as only current LHW in the UFC”. Or you could of backed up your arguement with more than feeble attacks at me.
If you are just going to keep saying that your right and I’m wrong why don’t you go back to sherdog and hang with all the other Wandy and Rickson nuthuggers. They’ll love to have you back. “I hear Rickson once beat 1000 ninja-shogunate-assassins via armbar.” “OMG no way…really?”
Oh on a positive note it was nice to see the Passive-ggressive Turtle stick its head out a little. Your original pussy-footing around makes you sound like a battered woman trying to fight back at her abusive boyfriend. Go ahead and have your relationship ending fight where you get stabbed to death and they send him off to prison.[/quote]
Your debating skills are sad. Really, it’s pretty pathetic, I feel like I’m picking on the mentally handicapped, so I’ll try to be nice, but no promises.
So now you’re talking about ANYONE who could POSSIBLY fight Anderson. Awesome, why dont you set up your fantasy match with, say, matt hughes? Come on, he’s a big welterweight, he could POSSIBLY fight Anderson at middleweight, even tho we have no indication that either of them want to make the fight.
In fact, since he’s supposed to walk around at 190, if he didnt cut at all he COULD be a lhw. so what are your feelings on that one, another magical fight that will never happen? Or hey, BJ Penn fought Machida as a LHW throw him in on your list, hahaha.
I’m sure Dana would have Randy back in a second, now wrap your mind around this: RANDY doesnt want to come back. It’s not like he got booted out, so Dana’s feelings on having him back or not are pretty well-established and irrelevant.
Me backpedaling … where did I say that I thought Anderson would lose to those guys? What I said was that I dont want to hear teh garbage that you rattling around in your mind that makes you think that theres not even a chance that it woudl be a good fight, that they’d be “soundly” defeated.
What do you have to say now, more ad hominem attacks? or maybe a few more fantasy matches to make up - “hey guys, joe diesel riggs used to be 300 lbs! Maybe he’ll fight nog for the belt … hahaha”
Amir has better striking skills than CB. CB walked into a few things in their first fight. CB also had some beginner mistakes with his blocking in that first fight like when he threw his right arm way up and took a round house to the ribs that knocked him off of his feet. Wild blocking like that is newby. In the finals CB again was eating shots, he definately needs to get a lot more experience on stand up. Amir’s ground game was good enough frustrate CB and with two wins by arm bars in a row he’s more versatile.
Diego Sanchez punching has improved. His left hand reverse punch was looking sharp. He was using linear punches with the elbows down, close to the body and the fist verticle like Isshinryu uses, instead of the looping haymakers with the elbows thrown out that most guys use. One thing he needs to do is pull the elbow on his lead hand back a little bit. It will cover his ribs better, and give him more power on his jab. He even switched up sides for a moment. It is rare to see someone who would try that.
KBCThird:
My intial argument was that I see anybody at that can fight at LHW as little problem for Anderson Silva. You thought that it was stupid that I think he can soundly defeat anyone at that weight division. You still haven’t backed up why you think that is true. You thought I was a moron because of Wandy and Rampage. I gave my views on those fighters.
Now you are trying to cheapen my argument by saying I was considering fantasy fights. The problem is it doesn’t matter. Come up with some fantasy fights I still think Anderson would win most of them. Fuck put him in against giant Silva if you want. I’d probably choose somebody good like Fedor instead but still it doesn’t change my view.
Quit dancing around like fucking Siegfried & Roy with smoke and mirrors and give an argument. You say my debate skills are pathetic and I’m like the mentally handicapped. How many more posts will it take for you to finally engage instead of just sticking your tongue out and taking your ball home with you?
The only part you even remotely talked about was Randy. Ok even if Randy doesn’t want to come back so what? It was a possibility and the only thing you’ve picked up and ran with. I believe I mentioned Tito as well I’m surprised you didn’t use him as an example as well.
I’ll make it simple!
WHY DO YOU DISAGREE THAT ANDERSON WILL SOUNDLY BEAT OPPONENTS IN THE LHW DIVISON?
Hell lets only include people that are in the UFC and currently fighting LHW if that makes it easier for you to think about.
Seriously, if you disagree with me I don’t care just tell me why. Maybe I overlooked a fighter or somebody has his number thats cool. But its like you want to disagree with me just to disagree. Quit letting your head vomit all over the place and compose your view point.
Soundly Defeated doesn’t necessarily mean bad fights. I think this is were our views definately clash. To me it doesn’t mean that it is like some experienced guy steamrolling some newb/can. It means that the person that won left absolutely no doubt that they are the winner and would repeat that victory at least 9 out of 10 fights. If I thought Anderson’s fights at LHW would be like him vs Leben than I would of used a word like pwnage, rape, dominate.
[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
KBCThird:
My intial argument was that I see anybody at that can fight at LHW as little problem for Anderson Silva. You thought that it was stupid that I think he can soundly defeat anyone at that weight division. You still haven’t backed up why you think that is true. You thought I was a moron because of Wandy and Rampage. I gave my views on those fighters.[/quote]
I’ve already addressed this, so let me rephrase and we’ll see if that does anything. Saying that anderson would “soundly” beat them means, to most people, that there is no debate about this, Anderson would win and it’s not even worth discussing. The only time that I feel that there’s no debating about who would win (besides the fact that anyone can get caught with single punch, or maybe slip into a sub) is when there’s a mismatch, when one guy doesnt even belong in the same ring. As an example of someone who I do think it could legitimately be said would be soundly defeated, I’d throw out Rich Franklin: he was picked apart in both of their fights and I’ve seen neither any decrease in anderson’s skills nor the kind of increase in rich’s skills that he would need to have anything beyond a puncher’s chance
No, it’s not a problem because it does matter. How does differentiating between fights that have a shot at happening and fights that would require several things to go a certain way before they went off not make sense?
You know, saying that someone isnt making an argument doesnt actually mean that they arent making an argument. You asked me for my rationale of why rampage et al would beat anderson. I pointed out that these fighters we’re talking about arent cans, they arent even second-rate. If you expected something like “OMG HEre’s why rampage would TOTALLY PWN anderson silva!!!1111!!” you’re not going to find it. Instead of looking at this in black and white, I’m saying that for several of those fights, if not all of them, each fighter brings something to the table and it would be an interesting fight.
So what? then we may as well talk about “who would win, Anderson or Rocky Marciano if you resurrected him and taught him BJJ for 5 years?” or “who would win, anderson silva or jet li’s character from The Forbidden Kingdom, but only if he wasnt allowed to use his magic?” IT IS A WASTE OF TIME. IF randy came back and IF he went back down to LHW again and IF this happened during a time that anderson was considering fights at lhw, THEN it would be worth discussing. not until then.
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I’ll make it simple!
WHY DO YOU DISAGREE THAT ANDERSON WILL SOUNDLY BEAT OPPONENTS IN THE LHW DIVISON?[/quote]
already answered above, for what seems like the 3rd or 4th time
[quote] Hell lets only include people that are in the UFC and currently fighting LHW if that makes it easier for you to think about.
Seriously, if you disagree with me I don’t care just tell me why. Maybe I overlooked a fighter or somebody has his number thats cool. But its like you want to disagree with me just to disagree. Quit letting your head vomit all over the place and compose your view point.[/quote]
I am not disagreeing just to disagree. But when somebody makes a statement that leaves so little room for anything other than black/white thinking, yes, I’m going to respond to it.
Well, now we’re getting somewhere. I don’t know that I agree with this, but I dont know that I disagree with it either. On the one hand, anderson is (obviously) a very skilled fighter, and he has run through the MWs, but I dont necessarily think that AUTOMATICALLY translates to the LHWs. Yes, anderson does walk around at 212, and so he wouldnt be “undersized,” at least not the way Vera was fighting guys 40 lbs heavier, or BJ going on a pizza and beer diet to make the lhws, but anderson would still be giving away 15-20 lbs to a lot of the LHWs. That does make a difference. As immensely, immensely important as technical skill is, size does play a factor as well, I would hope we can agree on that.
On the other hand, Anderson hasn’t shown any weaknesses in his game. We know he has them, everyone does, but until someone exposes them, it’s hard to say “Well, Anderson couldnt handle X because of Y.”
It is a “wait and see” kind of thing.
Jesse Taylor�??s drunken behavior during Season 7 of The Ultimate Fighter cost him a spot in the finale against Amir Sadollah. But, it turns out, the ramifications were much greater. UFC president Dana White, who said Tuesday that Taylor will return from his exile to fight C.B. Dollaway on the July 19 card at the Palms in Las Vegas that is airing on Spike, plans to get tough with any fighters in the future who damage the TUF house.
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Holy Shit…
Dude holy shit is right from a whizzer.
that was beautiful…from the side…
this is similiar how we trained it in judo
from the side… jujigatame from tomoe Nage
thanks for the gif
kmc[/quote]
Fucking awesome…great link - well done!