Try to get some pussy off of her and then tell her to take a hike. Life’s to short for that shit…
“Exactly, Nate Dogg. I think this chick has the same problem. She has a group of guys that follow her around, calling her…fan club” How is that a problem for her? Sound like it is a damn good thing for her. But I see how it would be a problem for you Symphony X. “I would then have still had mixes of songs that she wanted and I would’ve had hand in the situation.” Hmm… Sounds like you were the one trying to use her and it didn’t workout for you.
hmmm…kick the bitch to the curb.
not worth the time or effort, if she was a pig, im sure you would have worked this out by now.
Been there, done that, nothing to show for it. I went through a similar situation, and when I walked off, it was tough. I saw her, months later, and she kept commenting about how relaxed I seemed, and I replied “Well I’m not in love with you anymore, so I don’t feel the need to impress you.” She was somewhat taken aback, and her entire attitude towards me changed. More personable, more approachable. Funny thing was, she didn’t like me. She liked the idea of me liking her. when you’re dealing with hot chicks, they just take it for granted that we should make jackasses of ourselves to get their attention. When we don’t, then they start changing their ways.
I often wonder. Do women know that they skate by life so easily simply because we want pussy? Or do they think that we put up with shallow, petty, insecure, selfish behavior because we’re truly interested in the boring, banal, mundane details that makes up the average beauty queen’s life?
Sadly, it seems that the intelligence and personality in a woman is in inverse proportion to her looks. In general, the hotter the chick, the more selfish, airheaded, superficial, and just plain cruel they are.
This shit happens all the fucking time. Women just plain take advantage of men, and for some reason, it's OK. If we lie to a woman to get her in bed, we're evil assholes. If they lie to us (or feign interest in us) to get what they want, for some reason that's just OK.
Women, in general, are all just fucking hypocrites. Everyone always wants to know how to win a girl, how to make her like you, etc. The bottom line is simple:
Women, for all their talk about wanting a nice, sweet, funny guy that makes them laugh, are lying out their collective asses. Just like men, their number one desire is a guy they're physically attracted to.
They bitch and moan about our "Facist beauty standards" when they're just as bad as us. Symphony, if you got her wet, she'd be chasing you. You could not return her calls, lie to her, flake out, maybe even fuck her friends - but she'd still come around. Just like you did for her.
You can't make someone want you. If there's no physical attraction, then that's it. You've gotta get past that first step. That's why guys can never seem to make it past "friend" stage - she isn't hot for you. If she was, she'd put up with the same shit you do for her.
Women are just as superficial as men can be, they just have better P.R. Stay tuned for further misogyny. :)
Cuz, that’s what I must be, “A Real Dog” of a woman - cuz I ain’t no where NEAR what you guys are saying. Geeeeezus. I should have just kept on scolling past this thread - but NOOOOO, had to look.
That was me, “A Real Dog”, Patricia
Neal, I don’t mean it’s a problem to her. It’s a problem because it causes her to take her male friends for granted. When you can make friends without having to lift a finger, then you’re going to take them for granted and think that they’ll always stick around no matter what you do.
It’s sad when someone (male or female) likes someone more than they are liked in return. Everyone has been in this position at least once and we all feel like asses once we wake the fuck up.
Funny how this thread didn’t really interest me until I read Jack Dublin’s take on women. I do have to give props to Jack’s clarification that not ALL pretty women behave the way Symphony X’s chick did, but made generalizations on “the average beauty queen’s life” and how pretty/hot women “in general” behave. And I couldn’t agree more!
I’m not exactly hideous myself and I’ve done some damn shitty things to men - lead them on, used them, manipulated them. If anyone is familiar with Alanis Morrisett (I know, men hate her but her lyrics express a lot of the shit women deal with), take a listen to track 11 off her “Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie”. Lyrics:
I am the biggest hypocrite.
I’ve been undeniably jealous.
I have been loud and pretentious.
I have been utterly threatened.
I’ve gotten candy for my self-interest,
the sexy treadmill capitalist.
Heaven forbid I be criticized.
Heaven forbid i be ignored.
I have abused my power, forgive me.
You mean we actually are all one?
I’ve been out of reach and separatist.
Heaven forbid average (whatever average means).
I have been compensated for my days
of powerlessness.
I have abused my so-called power, forgive me.
You mean we actually are all one?
Did you just call her amazing?
Surely we both can't be amazing!
And give up my hard earned status
as fabulous freak of nature?
There comes a time in most pretty girl's lives when she realizes that how she is behaving is dead wrong and at times, outright evil, and she must make the choice to grow up or continue with her present course and willfully destroy decent men. It is quite a dificult realization to deal with. The cowardly thing to do is to purposely turn a blind eye to it - it's rarely easy to be perfectly blunt with a man that's infatuated with you when you are not feeling reciprocal.
I guess we could blame society in general, or men's sexual drives and the lack of thought that generally accompanies their strong desires, for allowing women to behave in this fashion. But what good would it do to play the blame game? Yes, men can be stoooopid when dealing with someone they want to fuck. Yes, women take advantage of that. Yes, women are hypocritical about wanting the "nice" guy when they truly just want to bone. Yes, men are hypocritical about wanting a relatively inexperienced woman to be serious about but they get pissy when some hottie won't give it up. Yes, yes, yes....where does this get us? Right back to square one. No one can play you for a fool if you don't allow yourself to be played like a fool. Instead of bitching at pretty women, just don't play their game. You'd probably be amazed at how that changes their perspective of you (a`la Paul's post).
Jack, I don’t agree with you. You’re seeing the world only through a man’s eyes. Men are different from women in that a woman can be physically attracted to a man without necessarily liking him. Men tend to blur the line between physical attraction and liking a girl. If what you said was true,then the best looking guys should always be getting the hotties. But ever notice how many hotties seem to be dating average joes? This gal has been single for a long time. I can’t believe that there isn’t a single guy out there that she is physically attracted to. I’m pretty positive that she was physically attracted to me. She actually first noticed me…I was standing in the gym talking to one of the strength coaches and I noticed her constantly turning over to look at me. After that, every time she saw me in the gym she would say hi. Then, the first time she ever came over, we were recording and we recorded a part that she didn’t like. I said I could take it off of there and she then says to me with a smile, “Yeah, take it all off!” And then there was a time when she was rubbing me on the shoulder singing to me “Just to touch you, just to hold you” (which were the lyrics to a song that we did), and flirting and calling me “muscles”. So, she most likely was physically attracted to me…but that doesn’t mean she liked me. Like Paul said, she probably got off on the fact that a good looking guy was interested in her…it fed her ego. She just liked the fact that I liked her. You also forget that I mentioned that this gal was devout Mormon. She’s conservative, she doesn’t drink, doesn’t swear, and shows all the other characteristics of being devout. Being devout Mormon, she most likely won’t even date a guy outside her religion (just like the JW’s). Even if she did, the expectation would be that if the relationship were to continue, the man would need to convert. Also, with Mormons, families are heavily involved when it comes to this sort of thing and most likely the family would need to “approve” of the guy. I asked her recently if she had a boyfriend and she said no. She said whenever she dates someone she starts to pick out faults so she chooses not to date. She said she’s really messed up when it comes to dating. No kidding. She also told me that she loses a lot of guy friends that way because they think that just because she hangs out with them, she likes them. But seeing her behavior, part of the problem has got to be her.
Symphony, you’re completely wrong (at least in my case) about physical attraction blurring the line about liking a girl. I know that I rarely like the girl’s I’m physically attracted to. Most of my friends are the same way. I tend to run in a circle of young and very intelligent males, and most of us have a real love/hate thing with women. Some of them even turned to or tried homosexuality simply because they couldn’t stand the games, the bullshit, the stupidity, and the insecurity of women. Ultimately they found out that gay guys are even worse - or so I hear.
All became clear when I read the Mormon part. Every (and without exception) single Mormon girl I've known was a profoundly fucked up individual. I don't know much about the religion, and I'm not trying to piss on it, but I've yet to meet a Mormon girl who didn't have major issues.
You sound like a smart, good looking guy with a lot going for you. She sounds like a walking headache. You got off easy compared to the mental hell this woman could have put you through if you did get into a relationship with her. Imagine how much worse the flakiness and isolation would have been if you two were swapping spit or professing love for each other.
One thing you're 100% right about is that she is the big part of the problem. Not dating because she finds faults in everyone? Can you imagine the petty insecurities this girl must have with herself if she has to pick everyone else apart? Head case. Basket case. Should have a warning sign tattooed on her forehead. I wonder: Do women get as mentally fucked up over men as we do about them?
I was more just generalizing about men when I made that comment, but of course every individual is different. I’m more like you, as well, Jack. I meet many women I find physically attractive, but I meet very few that I actually like. Something else has to turn me on to a woman…a common interest, or something that really impresses me about her…then the girl becomes very physically attractive to me. With this gal it was her singing ability, the common interest we had in music, and she was fun to hang out with. I had always thought she was attractive, but she didn’t fit my preferences (really tall and skinny at 6’1" when I’m 5’10", for example)…she was never even my favorite volleyball player on the squad even though all the other guys would drool over her…I could’ve cared less about her even when she used to say hi to me in the gym. But the above factors made her look really hot to me. Plus I had heard good things about her from other people…they told me she was really nice and had a good head on her shoulders. Well, lo and behold I found out the opposite.
Regarding whether women get as fucked up over men as they get over us - oh hell yeah! Probably worse when you consider that most men are at their core, very rational and logical creatures and most women are at their core, very emotional and abstract creatures. Most of the fucked-up-ness women experience (and subsequently, men re-experience from dating these women) is because the chick was stupid enough to fall in love with an asshole and got herself all hurt and emotionally damaged over it. I’m not blaming the asshole in these cases, he probably got what he wanted - nothing wrong with that; I’m saying that the chick let herself get involved with someone despite seeing warning signs of the guy being an ass. Think of how many psychotic females you know and how almost all their problems/insecurities seem to be rooted in how men find them attractive/intelligent/whatever. It’s always about how OTHER people (usually men) FEEL about them. Is anything more subjective, irrational, illogical and abstract than FEELINGS? Especially OTHER PEOPLE’S FEELINGS?! Women are notorious for caring about this shit and relating their own sense of self-worth to it. WTF?
So to make a long answer even longer, YES, women get as mentally fucked up over men, if not more so, than you guys do over us.