[quote]its_just_me wrote:
It boggles my mind why some authors don’t practice what they preach.[/quote]
I know it would be a hell of a lot easier to take advice from him if he was about 50 pounds bigger! But he’s a pretty well educated guy and like you said, its such a no bs easy approach that it’d be hard to screw up writing this program haha
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mch5152 wrote:
I think I said those numbers aren’t anything to brag about but thanks for clarifying that.[/quote]
Wow, dude. Miss the point much? You know who I want to see “try this out for size!” from? The guys who HAVE THE SIZE.
Please post pics of progress. Otherwise, we get tired of people with zero results to show screaming about what works.
Every author and personal trainer with a website has a fanboy club. It doesn’t mean they got huge.[/quote]
Hey man I’m not sure why this sparked so much controversy but it did. I never claimed to make huge gains in strength or size nor did I claim this is a “revolutionary” way of training. My intent was to put out a nice 8 week program that I enjoyed and saw better results than when I was on a 4 day, hit every muscle once per week split. I have already explained that I do not have progress pictures and I am sorry for that.
I must have accidentally posted my revolutionary once per month shake weight program… Be prepared for dramatic results
[quote]mch5152 wrote:
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
It boggles my mind why some authors don’t practice what they preach.[/quote]
I know it would be a hell of a lot easier to take advice from him if he was about 50 pounds bigger! But he’s a pretty well educated guy and like you said, its such a no bs easy approach that it’d be hard to screw up writing this program haha[/quote]
He’s one of the few authors who’s quite liberal when it comes to bulking recommendations (kind of refreshing when you’re used to people recommending 0.17lbs of muscle per week lol). This is especially important for naturals, since they struggle to gain appreciable amounts of muscle while being obsessed with bodyfat (Lyle says that 50/50 muscle/fat is about average gains for a natty beyond newbie stages…something I found myself, but was too ashamed to admit since everyone here seemed to have amazing genetics and gain 70%+ muscle haha).
Another thing I like about Lyle is his other generic bulking routine, he’s very “no nonsense” with that too - anyone over-analysing things gets a good slap and told to just lift lol (unlike some who would go off on a tangent and carry on drivelling crap).
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
[quote]mch5152 wrote:
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
It boggles my mind why some authors don’t practice what they preach.[/quote]
I know it would be a hell of a lot easier to take advice from him if he was about 50 pounds bigger! But he’s a pretty well educated guy and like you said, its such a no bs easy approach that it’d be hard to screw up writing this program haha[/quote]
He’s one of the few authors who’s quite liberal when it comes to bulking recommendations (kind of refreshing when you’re used to people recommending 0.17lbs of muscle per week lol). This is especially important for naturals, since they struggle to gain appreciable amounts of muscle while being obsessed with bodyfat (Lyle says that 50/50 muscle/fat is about average gains for a natty beyond newbie stages…something I found myself, but was too ashamed to admit since everyone here seemed to have amazing genetics and gain 70%+ muscle haha).
Another thing I like about Lyle is his other generic bulking routine, he’s very “no nonsense” with that too - anyone over-analysing things gets a good slap and told to just lift lol (unlike some who would go off on a tangent and carry on drivelling crap).[/quote]
I think it requires bulking up more the more you push the envelope as far as gains. Most guys don’t do that. They hit as plateau around 200lbs and then basically accept very little or slow progress from that point on in favor of abs.
It is one reason I hate to see people focused on body fat so much before the size is built…because once you work on getting real lean, it is hard to let that mentality go even for a little while…so they stagnate.
I seriously doubt I will let myself get as fat as I was previously again…but I would be lying if I said I didn’t think it helped. The leverage alone helped me gain more muscle mass.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
[quote]mch5152 wrote:
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
It boggles my mind why some authors don’t practice what they preach.[/quote]
I know it would be a hell of a lot easier to take advice from him if he was about 50 pounds bigger! But he’s a pretty well educated guy and like you said, its such a no bs easy approach that it’d be hard to screw up writing this program haha[/quote]
He’s one of the few authors who’s quite liberal when it comes to bulking recommendations (kind of refreshing when you’re used to people recommending 0.17lbs of muscle per week lol). This is especially important for naturals, since they struggle to gain appreciable amounts of muscle while being obsessed with bodyfat (Lyle says that 50/50 muscle/fat is about average gains for a natty beyond newbie stages…something I found myself, but was too ashamed to admit since everyone here seemed to have amazing genetics and gain 70%+ muscle haha).
Another thing I like about Lyle is his other generic bulking routine, he’s very “no nonsense” with that too - anyone over-analysing things gets a good slap and told to just lift lol (unlike some who would go off on a tangent and carry on drivelling crap).[/quote]
I think it requires bulking up more the more you push the envelope as far as gains. Most guys don’t do that. They hit as plateau around 200lbs and then basically accept very little or slow progress from that point on in favor of abs.
It is one reason I hate to see people focused on body fat so much before the size is built…because once you work on getting real lean, it is hard to let that mentality go even for a little while…so they stagnate.
I seriously doubt I will let myself get as fat as I was previously again…but I would be lying if I said I didn’t think it helped. The leverage alone helped me gain more muscle mass.[/quote]
True. I find some often get the whole “lean gains” thing in their head after their initial few bulks. Even after gaining 60lbs+ of mass through old school bulking, they still say that it’s not necessary. It’s like they forget what it’s like to be new to putting on mass (it’s the last thing a person seeking size needs to hear).
I reckon it can be done (slow gaining), but only after much experience, and after the initial bulks.
This is an off topic nutrition question, but what macro-nutrient distribution ranges have you guys had the most success with during a bulk? Idk if its just me but my body seems to respond better when I increase my fat intake as opposed to increasing carbohydrates. My first bulk was something like 60/25/15 carb/pro/fat… My last two bulks were in the range of 50/25/25 and I actually stayed leaner.
[quote]mch5152 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mch5152 wrote:
I think I said those numbers aren’t anything to brag about but thanks for clarifying that.[/quote]
Wow, dude. Miss the point much? You know who I want to see “try this out for size!” from? The guys who HAVE THE SIZE.
Please post pics of progress. Otherwise, we get tired of people with zero results to show screaming about what works.
Every author and personal trainer with a website has a fanboy club. It doesn’t mean they got huge.[/quote]
Hey man I’m not sure why this sparked so much controversy but it did. I never claimed to make huge gains in strength or size nor did I claim this is a “revolutionary” way of training. My intent was to put out a nice 8 week program that I enjoyed and saw better results than when I was on a 4 day, hit every muscle once per week split. I have already explained that I do not have progress pictures and I am sorry for that.
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People like to see higher quality posts in the main bodybuilding forum. There are some big strong knowledgeable guys who post on these forums. It doesn’t make sense for someone of your level to be posting ‘help’ when the majority of regular posters on here are far beyond your strength and size levels.
You’re a beginner. Those gains could’ve been acquired doing just about anything as long as you were eating somewhat decently. While I’m sure your intent to help was sincere, you’re posting this stuff in the wrong place.
[quote]goochadamg wrote:
[quote]mch5152 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mch5152 wrote:
I think I said those numbers aren’t anything to brag about but thanks for clarifying that.[/quote]
Wow, dude. Miss the point much? You know who I want to see “try this out for size!” from? The guys who HAVE THE SIZE.
Please post pics of progress. Otherwise, we get tired of people with zero results to show screaming about what works.
Every author and personal trainer with a website has a fanboy club. It doesn’t mean they got huge.[/quote]
Hey man I’m not sure why this sparked so much controversy but it did. I never claimed to make huge gains in strength or size nor did I claim this is a “revolutionary” way of training. My intent was to put out a nice 8 week program that I enjoyed and saw better results than when I was on a 4 day, hit every muscle once per week split. I have already explained that I do not have progress pictures and I am sorry for that.
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People like to see higher quality posts in the main bodybuilding forum. There are some big strong knowledgeable guys who post on these forums. It doesn’t make sense for someone of your level to be posting ‘help’ when the majority of regular posters on here are far beyond your strength and size levels.
You’re a beginner. Those gains could’ve been acquired doing just about anything as long as you were eating somewhat decently. While I’m sure your intent to help was sincere, you’re posting this stuff in the wrong place.
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Fair enough. Beginner is harsh though! I only weigh 170, I’d like to think my lifts are at least that of an intermediate!
[quote]mch5152 wrote:
Fair enough. Beginner is harsh though! I only weigh 170, I’d like to think my lifts are at least that of an intermediate![/quote]
unless you 5’6 or under, you just need to learn to eat.
[quote]mch5152 wrote:
Fair enough. Beginner is harsh though! I only weigh 170, I’d like to think my lifts are at least that of an intermediate![/quote]
Meh. Not much point to thinking this way. Forget about beginner, intermediate, advanced…just see where you have to improve and progress. You’re at a good place. You seem enthusiastic and you seem aware of what you need to work on. This type of thing would be great for you to document in your own training log on this site. People will follow along and give you some more constructive feedback there. The culture around this site takes some getting used to. Don’t take any of this shit personally. Just let your results speak for themselves.
[quote]mch5152 wrote:
This is an off topic nutrition question, but what macro-nutrient distribution ranges have you guys had the most success with during a bulk? Idk if its just me but my body seems to respond better when I increase my fat intake as opposed to increasing carbohydrates. My first bulk was something like 60/25/15 carb/pro/fat… My last two bulks were in the range of 50/25/25 and I actually stayed leaner. [/quote]
The most successful diet plan is the one you can stick to. It doesn’t matter if God himself were to give you a most spectacular plan, if you can’t comfortably follow it month after month, it’s useless.
Your question falls within the realm of “it really doesn’t matter”. If you can gain weight on it, it’s fine (so long as it’s not 100% crap). Getting 10% extra or less from carbs/fat/protein really doesn’t make a drastic difference (although carbs usually are kept below 55% for leaner gains, and fats above 15% for hormones). Try not to think in terms of macro-nutrient breakdown, think in terms of “minimums”. Get your minimum protein, and get your minimum portions/calories per day.
For myself, guess you could say the breakdown is something close to 33/33/33, give or take 10% for each. This seems to allow a good mix of foods, without being overly bloated from too many carbs (more room in stomach).
Macro-nutrient breakdown become more important when dieting, but is less important for bulking